Topic: LFC Opinion Survey w/ RESULTS (85% Pro-Rafa)

[Terry de Niro]

How so?

Collymore is about as qualified as my pet budgie.
Souness, as a great player he was, he lost all respect when he sold his soul to the rag and he's a bit of a c*nt.
Whelan is thick as pig shit, again he was a very decent player for us, but like Souness he's a c*nt.

[tubby]

The point I'm making is that people like Souness and Whelan played for this club and won a shitload of trophies along the way, so I think they've got far more knowledge about Liverpool FC than any of us do.  To dismiss their opinions because they're not the same as yours is blinkered.

Collymore is the biggest tool in the world but, unfortunately, he's still more qualified to talk about football than any of us.

[Sarge]

Collymore is about as qualified as my pet budgie.
Souness, as a great player he was, he lost all respect when he sold his soul to the rag and he's a bit of a c*nt.
Whelan is thick as pig shit, again he was a very decent player for us, but like Souness he's a c*nt.

Yep in a nutshell. What has you budgie ever done on you Terry

[OohCampione]

What makes them qualified? Take Ronnie Whelan, great player sure but what qualifies him to comment on a manager's job given he was an abject failure himself?

what you have to remember about pundits they are like journos they have their paymaster to tell them what to say and how to slant it and they will be replaced if they go against the party line!

Great points. Just because they played doesn't mean they know fuck all about the game.



and if they did, they'd be getting paid a shitload more managing a club somewhere. On the otherhand they may well, like Hansen has admitted himself, not have the bottle for it. Either way, they're not qualified to comment. Fuckin gobshites, only surpassed by those who cling to their every word.

[Sarge]

The point I'm making is that people like Souness and Whelan played for this club and won a shitload of trophies along the way, so I think they've got far more knowledge about Liverpool FC than any of us do.  To dismiss their opinions because they're not the same as yours is blinkered.

Collymore is the biggest tool in the world but, unfortunately, he's still more qualified to talk about football than any of us.

Totally disagree and you really underestimate the knowledge of football fans as a whole mate.

[slickman]

While i dont agree with those pundits views entirely its hardly suprising they've been critical of rafa its hardly been the greatest season potenially disastrous ,we've haven't done anything of note to keep the doubters quiet.

[tubby]

Totally disagree and you really underestimate the knowledge of football fans as a whole mate.

Do you think that every ex-Liverpool pundit should never be critical of the manager?

[hoonin]

The thing is, anyone who's played the game at the level that Whelan, Souness, Collymore, etc, have is far more qualified to talk about the situation at Liverpool than any of us on RAWK are.  So to dismiss their views because of a lack of managerial success means that you're going to have to dismiss the views of anyone on RAWK you might agree with too.

Is playing the game anything like being a manager though? There's a reason why they dribble in front of cameras week in week out - either they didn't have the bottle to be a manager (Collymore, who didnt really have the bottle to be a top player either) or were just rubbish at it (Whelan).

I cant help but listen to Souness though. He speaks from experience as a top level player AND top level manager. He's been round the block enough times and knows the position Benitez is in, having sat in the same seat himself.

Collymore and Whelan though? They dont speak about football management in the qualified terms you seem to believe.

[tubby]

Collymore and Whelan though? They dont speak about football management in the qualified terms you seem to believe.

I'm not saying they're right, and I don't agree with them, but they're speaking from a position of more experience than any of us.  S'all I'm saying, yo.

[hoonin]

Word.

[The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society]

The point I'm making is that people like Souness and Whelan played for this club and won a shitload of trophies along the way, so I think they've got far more knowledge about Liverpool FC than any of us do.  To dismiss their opinions because they're not the same as yours is blinkered.

Collymore is the biggest tool in the world but, unfortunately, he's still more qualified to talk about football than any of us.

As players two of those deserve the greatest respect, but not one of them is a great manager, the best out of the lot is Souness and his major successes came in Turkey and Scotland, hardly tough leagues. Just because you can play the game doesn't mean your opinion matters when it comes to management.

I used to be a croupier but I never dealt craps, so I wouldn't be arrogant enough to tell another dealer (who HAS dealt craps and at a very level where all the pit bosses want him dealing on their shift) how to deal craps.

[Terry de Niro]

Yep in a nutshell. What has you budgie ever done on you Terry

Apart from shit on me?

The point I'm making is that people like Souness and Whelan played for this club and won a shitload of trophies along the way, so I think they've got far more knowledge about Liverpool FC than any of us do.  To dismiss their opinions because they're not the same as yours is blinkered.

Collymore is the biggest tool in the world but, unfortunately, he's still more qualified to talk about football than any of us.

You seriously think that, that thick brummie is qualified to talk about anything other than dogging?

The fact that the other two have won trophies should make them be a bit more dignified and stop putting the boot into a club that was very good for them.

[Sarge]

Do you think that every ex-Liverpool pundit should never be critical of the manager?

No and i did not say that.

[Smug Cassandra]

The point I'm making is that people like Souness and Whelan played for this club and won a shitload of trophies along the way, so I think they've got far more knowledge about Liverpool FC than any of us do.  To dismiss their opinions because they're not the same as yours is blinkered.

Collymore is the biggest tool in the world but, unfortunately, he's still more qualified to talk about football than any of us.

Yep in a much better position than most of the country, so overall I think their opinions about Rafa and Liverpool have more qualification than most.

[tubby]

So, hypothetically, should Rafa quit in the summer and say, Steve Bruce becomes manager of Liverpool and royally fucks the team with shitty tactics and shoddy buys... would you still be of the opinion that no ex-Liverpool players should criticise him?

[bootroom boy]

The thing is, anyone who's played the game at the level that Whelan, Souness, Collymore, etc, have is far more qualified to talk about the situation at Liverpool than any of us on RAWK are.  So to dismiss their views because of a lack of managerial success means that you're going to have to dismiss the views of anyone on RAWK you might agree with too.

Listen, the majority of Liverpool supporters are knowledgeable about the game, especially auld arse scousers like myself. Yes, we've had a piss poor season, plus I admit Rafa can be a stubborn bastard at times but where would we be now if those two owners of ours had had their way. It's easy to criticise when things aren't going well and some pundits such as Lawrenson, Whelan etc have shit in their eyes. Why don't they come out and criticise the owners rather than the team and the manager. For FFS we supported them when they wore the shirt, why don't they support us fans now!

[hoonin]

So, hypothetically, should Rafa quit in the summer and say, Steve Bruce becomes manager of Liverpool and royally fucks the team with shitty tactics and shoddy buys... would you still be of the opinion that no ex-Liverpool players should criticise him?

Shall we answer that when it happens?

Think we're done on this particular track....

[tubby]

Think we're done on this particular track....

Fair enough.. thought I'd go for the least likely scenario imaginable.

[Sarge]

Gareth did you delete my post ya big fecker?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Collymore is about as qualified as my pet budgie.
Souness, as a great player he was, he lost all respect when he sold his soul to the rag and he's a bit of a c*nt.
Whelan is thick as pig shit, again he was a very decent player for us, but like Souness he's a c*nt.

I'd vote for your budgie. He's got some advantages. He's Cheep for a start. And when things are going wrong, he can wing it. And he knows how to shut his beak if in trouble in a press conference.

[Lenin.]

Collymore is about as qualified as my pet budgie.

And as vain?

[adlad]

I'd vote for your budgie. He's got some advantages. He's Cheep for a start. And when things are going wrong, he can wing it. And he knows how to shut his beak if in trouble in a press conference.

They do have one thing in common though. The ability to repeat the same word over and over so that they sound like a broken record. Especially if that word is "ZONAL MARKING!" in a Brum accent.

[Sarge]

Is Collymore really that bad?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Is Collymore really that bad?

Worse.

[Sarge]

Worse.

We have Dunphy and Whelan both clowns but tbf John Giles is quite good and not one for swiping but constructive.

[RedinExile]

Yep in a much better position than most of the country, so overall I think their opinions about Rafa and Liverpool have more qualification than most.

Yep, here's 18 pages of enlightenment that comes with working in the game for years..
http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/Articles/Colemanballs01.htm

[AriGold]

Yes
18-25
1995.

[the_prodigal_s0n]

Some interesting results there. Over 50s the least supportive, and the under 18s the most supportive (admittedly from a smallish sample size). I'm genuinely surprised by that.

[RedRush]

Early days but raises a question about a couple of myths, namely the younger set wanting Rafa out, and overseas supporters not knowing enough about football. I'm really surprised because to be honest I was expecting an extreme reverse.

[zero zero]

The back stabbing auld arses

[stevensr123]

yes.
hmm probably  something like 1997, I remember going to a youth cup final with me dad. I'm pretty sure carra was it it.
from Liverpool.

[stevensr123]

Some interesting results there. Over 50s the least supportive, and the under 18s the most supportive (admittedly from a smallish sample size). I'm genuinely surprised by that.

why? the old people have tasted success and have seen the legends play, seeing the football we play at the moment and the situation we are in, probably pissed off/upset more old people than young.

[Kashinoda]

Is Collymore really that bad?

[kavah]

The majority of the... [fans] not in support of Rafa would choose Mourinho as manager.
 

[Keens]

The point I'm making is that people like Souness and Whelan played for this club and won a shitload of trophies along the way, so I think they've got far more knowledge about Liverpool FC than any of us do.  To dismiss their opinions because they're not the same as yours is blinkered.

Collymore is the biggest tool in the world but, unfortunately, he's still more qualified to talk about football than any of us.

I dismiss their opinions on Football management because neither set the world alight as managers.

[TSC]

Some interesting results there. Over 50s the least supportive, and the under 18s the most supportive (admittedly from a smallish sample size). I'm genuinely surprised by that.

I'm not and posted something in other thread re the age breakdown and views of the current situation.  Those who witnessed the sides of the 80's and 70's will naturally always use those teams as a benchmark (inc myself), which is probably unfair on modern LFC teams - but that's the way it'll always be as those years are ingrained if you grew up through them. 

Those of a younger age can't rem Liverpool hitting those heights and prob can only measure Rafa against Houllier or Evans/Souness maybe at a push.  Rafa compares well in this sense.

Edit: Obviously there are exceptions to the general rule such as FS.

[i_wun_bite]

The majority of the... [fans] not in support of Rafa would choose Mourinho as manager.
 

quite unbelievable.... mourinho...

[Greg]

Good thread mate.

Most interesting bit is the trend that suggests that the older you are, the more you want Benitez out. I would have thought it would be the other way round. And considering that the older you are, the more likely you are to be just a bit less knee-jerk, the results are quite telling. Saying that, an overall majority of 85% is quite telling.

The majority of the... [fans] not in support of Rafa would choose Mourinho as manager.
 

Fancy that. A manager with experience of winning the CL and the title in England. A manager that almost any club in the world would take.

Oh I forgot. We don't like him do we? We don't like the way he comes across in the media. We don't like the way he talks too much and says controversial things. And that is more important to us than any of his football credentials.

I wonder if Juventus want Benitez for his football credentials or the way he comes across in press conferences and the media. Rafa is completely ridiculed in English media - is called Fat Spanish Waiter by most other sets of fans, famously called Everton a "small club", wrote a dossier about the stuff Ferguson gets away with, has regular battles with Sam Allardyce, and every pundit on the telly has a go at his aloof personality.

Yet we brush off this attitude towards Rafa because it's not important to us. Because at the end of the day, why is it important? What has media handling got to do with winning games? When do press conferences ever win you games? As far as I know, Football Manager does not have an attribute for "Press Conference Ability" or "Likeability".

Our attitude towards Mourinho is similar to any other English club's attitude towards Benitez. Nobody likes him. But we all know he's a good manager, and if any other clubs refused to hire Benitez because of his media perception, then we would all think they were fucking mugs.

I have no problem for people not wanting Mourinho for football reasons though. That's what should be discussed.

[todda]

Yes.

36-49

1973

[RedinExile]

Is the surprising result that the oldies are more likely to want Rafa out simply a result of them not understanding how to use a keyboard - or what one is - on the electronic typewriters in front of them?

"How do I get on the interweb again??"