Topic: Simon Mignolet

[.adam]

I want Mignolet gone this summer, he's not good enough to be our number one. But if you can't see that his distribution and footwork have improved this season then you're blinded by your dislike for the guy.

Cruyff turns in the box, dinking the ball over the onrushing Aguero, nice passes out to the fullbacks and Henderson. Compare that to running around the ball to let it go out for a corner a couple of years ago. The improvement is marked.

[penga]

Karius is defintely better. Stats can be misleading and if you watrch some of our games with Karius you will see TWO things you don't see with Mignolet and which the stats don't show either:

1. Karius lets go of the ball much quicker. Yes, "much" quicker. He doesn't smother the thing and leave us watching a potential counterattack fizzle away into nothingness- time after time. He's quick, he's on the game and he's mind is on the attack.
2. Karius chooses people in space - on a run, often down the flanks. Mignolet does not. He gets the ball, feints and then frustratingly takes an eaon to decide who to "pass" to and even then it's mostly staright down into a crowded middle where it is snuffed out. He's got no brains. I get the feeling he just does it coz that's what you do and he's too daft it seems to realize he's not doing it right.
He's mindset is one of- "I'm under pressure- better get rid!". Karius doesn't seem to have that mindset by the releases he makes.


Those stats cannot show those two differences. Like I said- it's good to see Karius is still "shit".

Disagree what you're seeing is based on past bad reputation with Migs. I've been watching Migs more closely this season with regards to that and he does release quickly more often these days. People also claimed he also couldn't first time pass which is a complete myth, he often does it, several times a game to the likes of Henderson. Furthermore Karius has actually made more big mistakes with his feet in less game time - too often when he tries to hit a first time pass he mishits or under-hits passes which gave opposition chances but luckily went unpunished + some poor clearances, not to mention the mis-control slipping under his foot to let in a goal in preseason and kicking a goal kick out for a corner. Mignolet hasn't made any big mistakes with his feet this season in contrast compared to seasons before aside from the odd poor clearance as well. He has higher passing accuracy despite kicking longer. Earlier in the season he had significantly higher passing statistics 77% accuracy and 32m avg distribution length when he was kicking shorter but has been instructed to change his tactics now its 70% and 45m. What Migs doesn't have is that low side on fast long range kick that Reina did to launch counters, even keepers like Pickford have got it. But I haven't seen it from Karius either.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

penga

That is a very good summary of Mignolet this season. I think that if the Mignolet we see this season is one we'd have had since he joined, everyone would be pretty pleased with him.
Now, people find it hard to look at him and make an assessment without taking into account what he used to be. For me, he's much improved over previous season(s).
But many minds are made up and won't change for any reason.

[AaronSingh25]

Nah.

If he was one of the best shot stoppers in the league, the stats since he arrived would reflect that. As it is (as far as I'm aware) the percentage of shot he saves is actually one of the poorest (if notthe poorest) since is arrival and I'd be almost certain its far worse than the other first choice GKs of our rivals (De Gea, Cech, Courtois, Lloris) apart from Bravo

Those darn stats again eh ... made Lucas worldclass at one point didn't they.

The stats will show you a shot on target, but they won't show you how good the shot was, was it in the top corner, was it low in the corner, it won't show the power of the shot, or how close to the goal it was attempted. Stats will show a save, but they won't differentiate between a standard save in the centre of the goal, to a worldie stop.

Stats eh ...

[Groundskeeper Willie]

Those darn stats again eh ... made Lucas worldclass at one point didn't they.

The stats will show you a shot on target, but they won't show you how good the shot was, was it in the top corner, was it low in the corner, it won't show the power of the shot, or how close to the goal it was attempted. Stats will show a save, but they won't differentiate between a standard save in the centre of the goal, to a worldie stop.

Stats eh ...

Then again, I've even seen Mignolet slated for making a great diving save, because you know, if he had been any good he'd have the correct positioning so he wouldn't have to dive.

[El Lobo]

Those darn stats again eh ... made Lucas worldclass at one point didn't they.

The stats will show you a shot on target, but they won't show you how good the shot was, was it in the top corner, was it low in the corner, it won't show the power of the shot, or how close to the goal it was attempted. Stats will show a save, but they won't differentiate between a standard save in the centre of the goal, to a worldie stop.

Stats eh ...

Well no, if you said 'Lucas is one of the best tacklers in the league' and he had tackling stats to reflect that or whatever, then thats fine. You can't really say 'Mignolet is one of the best shot stoppers in the league' when the specific stat that talks about how many shots he's stopped actually suggest he's one of the poorest.

And that completely reflects in just watching him since he joined, without even talking about stats. I've lost count of the amount of shots he's let in at his near post, or close to him. This season he's improved, which is great. He's not suddenly become a different goalkeeper, we still know he's prone to costly errors and thats why we need to improve on him in the summer.

[Funky_Gibbons]

Those darn stats again eh ... made Lucas worldclass at one point didn't they.

The stats will show you a shot on target, but they won't show you how good the shot was, was it in the top corner, was it low in the corner, it won't show the power of the shot, or how close to the goal it was attempted. Stats will show a save, but they won't differentiate between a standard save in the centre of the goal, to a worldie stop.

Stats eh ...

Stats will define 'clear cut chances' conceded and created, which is a chance you'd 'expect' to score. Interestingly we've conceded 30 clear cut chances this season and conceded 30-goals;

Andrew Beasley‏@BassTunedToRed 

LFC have had 53 clear-cut chances in the PL and allowed 30 against, and excluding og's have scored 53 goals & conceded 30.

[El Lobo]

Stats will define 'clear cut chances' conceded and created, which is a chance you'd 'expect' to score. Interestingly we've conceded 30 clear cut chances this season and conceded 30-goals;

Andrew Beasley‏@BassTunedToRed 

LFC have had 53 clear-cut chances in the PL and allowed 30 against, and excluding og's have scored 53 goals & conceded 30.

Wait....what??

That seems like the most bollocks stat ever! So we've scored every clear cut chance we've had this season......?

[Funky_Gibbons]

Wait....what??

That seems like the most bollocks stat ever! So we've scored every clear cut chance we've had this season......?

No, that's not what that means. We've scored and conceded the same number of clear cut chances we've created or conceded, doesn't mean each one of those chances was converted.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Another thing I found interesting from BassTunedToRed was that De Gea has only made two saves from clear cut chances this season, which backs up my earlier point that it's a lot easier to look like a great shot stopper when as a team you're reducing the quality of chances the opposition can create.

Mignolet's one against Son went down as a save from a clear cut chance. I'm not sure how many him or Karius have made throughout the entire campaign, but I bet it's at least five for Migs.

[fowlermagic]

The lad is always on the table when it comes to the conversation in regards to how we can strengthen the team. Personally I am content to see him in the team right now as he has easily being our best performing keeper when selected. Its all you can ask for him as he does give you 110% but as I said we could still be looking to improve on his position during the summer. Likewise with left back ..... Milner as brilliant a professional he is, is not a full back by trade so while he may still feature nearly every week as the lad will die for the cause surely we need to shedding Moreno and bringing in a long term prospect to challenge Milner. Also central defence is still lacking a great pairing and a top class option for holding midfield would not go amiss either. No harm in seeing what that option could do for the team as it may release Henderson to push forward more often. All told  our backline / CM could do with some injection of strength so when we are discussing the goalkeeper position its just part of the overall conversation in regards to pushing the team forward.

[Chris~]

Those darn stats again eh ... made Lucas worldclass at one point didn't they.

The stats will show you a shot on target, but they won't show you how good the shot was, was it in the top corner, was it low in the corner, it won't show the power of the shot, or how close to the goal it was attempted. Stats will show a save, but they won't differentiate between a standard save in the centre of the goal, to a worldie stop.

Stats eh ...

Their are methods and statistics that do show that though.

[SteveZissou]

Mignolet's just said that he'd consider a move to China (and that all players would consider it). Which part of a Chinese hand would you bite for that to happen?

50 million pounds... for the famous Liverpool goalkeeper.

[ggcc14]

Basically he'd go but none of the Chinese clubs want him, sound.

[Chalky Boots]

Couldn't anyway, only Chinese nationals can keep goal.

[SerbianScouser]

11 long balls almost all of which were in the first half and 47% pass completion tonight.

He's simply killing us.

The reason is when you look at our front 3 and 2 box-to- box midfielders behind them , we have assembled a group of players that can only play in one way which is combinations and interchanging on the deck - there isn't one thing about them that tells you they can scrap for second balls and take it from yet whether it's tonight or any other game where opposition presses us a bit in our half it's aimless hoofing which doesn't allow us to get into any rhythm whatsoever.

He's not even trying those diagonals , long passes out to fullbacks which most keepers of possession teams do in those situations. You can't be a consistently good possession team if your keeper is allergic to the ball. Impossible.

[ScubaSteve]

Somebody change the title of this thread 

[killer-heels]

Had the nerve to criticise the Leicester players' mentality.

Think about that a second.

[RJ320]

I do hope the thread title is sarcastic.

[sms1986]

I do hope the thread title is sarcastic.

It was made when he had a great game, I don't know if they change it every time he has a bad game or not.

[SP]

Kneejerks (and regular jerks) in the post match topic please. 

[amirani]

Won us 3 points today. 2 point blank saves. Dominant inside the box and made quite few good punches.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

World class saves today. Been very good this season as a whole.

[wellred82]

Great saves. Maybe they will give him a bit of confidence to up his game on a regular basis.

[Rattleduser]

peeled grapes for this fella tonight

[daggerdoo]

Massive performance from simon, very dominant and confident against a physical team. Shot stopping has never been an issue, but if he commands the box like he did today during games, we can't complain. It's a tricky situation, having loris on the bench isn't it.

[gamble]

Those saves were top class today

[stockdam]

Brilliant saves that keep the score to 1.

My MOTM.

[Lofty Ambitions]

Won us 3 points today. 2 point blank saves. Dominant inside the box and made quite few good punches.

That he did. Well done Si, keep its up!

[Eeyore]

I don't think his shot stopping has ever been in doubt it's the other parts of his game that have let him down. Kicked it far too often for me today given we had Woodburn and Origi upfront. If you could have Migs shot stopping and Karius's ability with his feet then you would have a top goalie.

[SerbianScouser]

If you could have Migs shot stopping and Karius's ability with his feet then you would have a top goalie.

This for me as well. I still have a massive problem with his distribution, sometimes he seems to think he plays for Wimbledon `89.

[The Final Third]

Loves a save against Stoke doesn't he. He's been pretty solid since he reclaimed his spot. Well done Migs.

[Ratboy3G]

Great saves. Maybe they will give him a bit of confidence to up his game on a regular basis.

Three posts in and we get this. Ffs   

[stockdam]

Loves a save against Stoke doesn't he. He's been pretty solid since he reclaimed his spot. Well done Migs.

Saved a penalty in his first match

[BER]

Realistically we need better but he played a huge part in us getting three huge points.

[macmanamanaman]

2 ridiculously good saves.
Like scoring a brace.

Motm.

[na fir dearg]

That save at 2-1 was one of those most important saves a Liverpool keeper has made, dread to think what effect it would have had on the team to concede directly after taking the lead 

[RogerTheRed]

Great saves at critical times today. What a goalie should do. Well in Simon

[redprodigal]

Realistically we need better but he played a huge part in us getting three huge points.

Correct on both counts.

[kj999]

Incredible saves today. It pisses me off how quick people are to have a go at him. He fucks up occasionally on the 'easy' stuff. But he is one of the best shot stoppers in Europe. I know, if we aspire to be one of the top sides in Europe, we need a keeper that does the lot. But very few keepers would have saved those today. Brilliant from Simon.

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