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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #80 on: February 8, 2016, 09:23:31 pm »
Harinder's wonderful work just got a mention on TAW discussion :)

Rightly so, should be used to create a fair pricing structure.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #81 on: February 8, 2016, 09:32:31 pm »
Interesting piece from the Guardian regarding the price increase for disabled fans. The owners are not going to come out from this smelling too good if they stick to their announced increases.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/feb/08/liverpool-ticket-price-anfield-disabled-supporters

The Liverpool chief executive Ian Ayre told people to “read the facts” when he was doing the PR for the club’s new ticket prices last week. I took his advice and was astonished when I saw how much disabled prices will increase next season.

The £77 tickets proposed for the new Main Stand have taken the headlines and led to the 77th minute walkout against Sunderland on Saturday. But they have overridden other significant rises, especially for disabled people.

There is a lengthy wait to acquire a disabled season ticket at Liverpool so, like many, I buy single tickets on a game-by-game basis. Over 19 Premier League games this season, comprising six category A games, 10 category B games and three category C games, the cost in the Main Stand lower is £640.50. Next season, the aggregate ticket price in the Main Stand lower for those tickets will be £1,000. That’s an increase of £359.50 – 56.13%. A disabled season ticket in the Main Stand lower in 2016/17 will cost £134.50 more than this season – £772 up from £637.50. So if you haven’t got a disabled season ticket in the Main Stand lower next season and pay on a game-by-game basis you’ll be paying a premium of £228 for exactly the same seat.

How can a price rise of such magnitude be justified for people of limited income and limited lifestyle? I find it questionable from a moral standpoint for the club to ask someone who finds it more difficult to get higher-paid work, to pay 56.13% more next season. It shows how far Liverpool have fallen from Bill Shankly’s belief that the players, manager and supporters form a holy trinity and that directors don’t come into it.

Looking at the figures for the most available seats in each stand, the aggregate ticket costs for a disabled person on the Kop next season will be £574, down from £607.50 this season and a 5.51% decrease. In the Centenary Stand it will be £854, up from £640.50 this season and a 33.33% increase, while the Anfield Road lower will increase by 5.39% from £640.50 to £675.

As an economics student at university I have to assess figures objectively but how can a football club justify a 56.13% rise in ticket prices or claim that is rational business practice, especially where disabled people are concerned? If they ostracise local people, and these rises will do, the club are not going to get many disabled supporters arriving from abroad to take their places given the complications and the difficulties that disability brings. I was talking to a supporter at the game on Saturday who travels over from Ireland and he said he wouldn’t be able to afford to go next season.

One of the reasons people are so upset is that the prices are not rational at all. As a Liverpool fan I identify with the team in so many ways but this feels like an attack because the ticket prices are so extortionate. There is distrust in the club. I feel they’ve victimised people in different parts of the ground apart from the Kop.

This season there was a six-tiered ticket price structure. That has risen to 20, which could have divided the fans into different camps over this issue and that is why the protest was so impressive. Thousands of fans were together, no matter where they sat in the stadium or how the rises will affect them.

It was incredible to walk out under the Kop on Saturday. There was very little communication at first, it was just like leaving a game after the final whistle, but then everyone started chanting: “We love you Liverpool, we do.” I’ve never really felt included before then but that is a moment I’ll take to my grave. I felt everyone was with me and everyone was behind each other.


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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #82 on: February 8, 2016, 09:54:22 pm »
Pretty certain he was talking about Ayre mate. Although I think Ayre's role is MD?
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #83 on: February 8, 2016, 09:57:15 pm »
Interesting piece from the Guardian regarding the price increase for disabled fans. The owners are not going to come out from this smelling too good if they stick to their announced increases.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/feb/08/liverpool-ticket-price-anfield-disabled-supporters

The Liverpool chief executive Ian Ayre told people to “read the facts” when he was doing the PR for the club’s new ticket prices last week. I took his advice and was astonished when I saw how much disabled prices will increase next season.

The £77 tickets proposed for the new Main Stand have taken the headlines and led to the 77th minute walkout against Sunderland on Saturday. But they have overridden other significant rises, especially for disabled people.
Jürgen Klopp admits Liverpool need to find ‘a solution’ to ticket price revolt
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There is a lengthy wait to acquire a disabled season ticket at Liverpool so, like many, I buy single tickets on a game-by-game basis. Over 19 Premier League games this season, comprising six category A games, 10 category B games and three category C games, the cost in the Main Stand lower is £640.50. Next season, the aggregate ticket price in the Main Stand lower for those tickets will be £1,000. That’s an increase of £359.50 – 56.13%. A disabled season ticket in the Main Stand lower in 2016/17 will cost £134.50 more than this season – £772 up from £637.50. So if you haven’t got a disabled season ticket in the Main Stand lower next season and pay on a game-by-game basis you’ll be paying a premium of £228 for exactly the same seat.

How can a price rise of such magnitude be justified for people of limited income and limited lifestyle? I find it questionable from a moral standpoint for the club to ask someone who finds it more difficult to get higher-paid work, to pay 56.13% more next season. It shows how far Liverpool have fallen from Bill Shankly’s belief that the players, manager and supporters form a holy trinity and that directors don’t come into it.

Looking at the figures for the most available seats in each stand, the aggregate ticket costs for a disabled person on the Kop next season will be £574, down from £607.50 this season and a 5.51% decrease. In the Centenary Stand it will be £854, up from £640.50 this season and a 33.33% increase, while the Anfield Road lower will increase by 5.39% from £640.50 to £675.

As an economics student at university I have to assess figures objectively but how can a football club justify a 56.13% rise in ticket prices or claim that is rational business practice, especially where disabled people are concerned? If they ostracise local people, and these rises will do, the club are not going to get many disabled supporters arriving from abroad to take their places given the complications and the difficulties that disability brings. I was talking to a supporter at the game on Saturday who travels over from Ireland and he said he wouldn’t be able to afford to go next season.

One of the reasons people are so upset is that the prices are not rational at all. As a Liverpool fan I identify with the team in so many ways but this feels like an attack because the ticket prices are so extortionate. There is distrust in the club. I feel they’ve victimised people in different parts of the ground apart from the Kop.

This season there was a six-tiered ticket price structure. That has risen to 20, which could have divided the fans into different camps over this issue and that is why the protest was so impressive. Thousands of fans were together, no matter where they sat in the stadium or how the rises will affect them.

It was incredible to walk out under the Kop on Saturday. There was very little communication at first, it was just like leaving a game after the final whistle, but then everyone started chanting: “We love you Liverpool, we do.” I’ve never really felt included before then but that is a moment I’ll take to my grave. I felt everyone was with me and everyone was behind each other.


Richard Monaghan.


That is shocking, they need a climb down to get out of this.  :butt
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #84 on: February 8, 2016, 10:03:27 pm »
That is shocking, they need a climb down to get out of this.  :butt

It actually gets worse the more information comes out.

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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #85 on: February 8, 2016, 10:07:44 pm »
Interesting piece from the Guardian regarding the price increase for disabled fans. The owners are not going to come out from this smelling too good if they stick to their announced increases.



That is shocking, I didn't even know disabled tickets were costed in the same way as normal tickets. As if they had much choice where to sit.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #86 on: February 8, 2016, 10:31:23 pm »
Great work Harinder. Last time there was a collective feeling of disgust against those running the club, the fans were referred to as "Internet somethings"
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« Reply #87 on: February 8, 2016, 10:33:46 pm »
It actually gets worse the more information comes out.

The sad thing is I'm beginning to become less and less surprised, the more I hear about this whole screw up.
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« Reply #88 on: February 8, 2016, 10:34:32 pm »
And it's not just tickets. Membership costs me £35 (I think) which is £70 to me 'cause I pay for my student daughter's too.  And what do I/we get for that?  For the last season and this,  absolutely nothing.  I can't get tickets 'cause I haven't been to enough games, and I haven't been to enough games 'cause I can't get tickets, and I can't get tickets...........etc etc.  I don't live locally anymore so that has an impact on what games I can get to but without membership I'd have no chance whatsoever unless I want to pay shitloads through some ticket agent like the tourists do.  But the club don't care they're taking my £70 for sod all.  And I' know I'm not the only one, there must be thousands like me who have money taken by DD and get nothing whatsoever in return.  More fool me I suppose.

In contrast we have membership at Reading, yes I know championship and not much cop, but it cost me £2 for me and £1 for my daughter 5 years ago as a one off payment.  So it covered when they were in the top league.   We've seen some superb games, including Liverpool in cup and league.  The atmosphere's shite but it's live footy and we're drifting that way as we get more and more alienated by Liverpool.  My daughter's at Nottingham Uni, she's been to Forest a couple of times (pisses me off big style, late 70s etc etc) but it's good value, it's live footy, and she can get in.

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« Reply #89 on: February 8, 2016, 11:28:15 pm »
And it's not just tickets. Membership costs me £35 (I think) which is £70 to me 'cause I pay for my student daughter's too.  And what do I/we get for that?  For the last season and this,  absolutely nothing.  I can't get tickets 'cause I haven't been to enough games, and I haven't been to enough games 'cause I can't get tickets, and I can't get tickets...........etc etc.  I don't live locally anymore so that has an impact on what games I can get to but without membership I'd have no chance whatsoever unless I want to pay shitloads through some ticket agent like the tourists do.  But the club don't care they're taking my £70 for sod all.  And I' know I'm not the only one, there must be thousands like me who have money taken by DD and get nothing whatsoever in return.  More fool me I suppose.

In contrast we have membership at Reading, yes I know championship and not much cop, but it cost me £2 for me and £1 for my daughter 5 years ago as a one off payment.  So it covered when they were in the top league.   We've seen some superb games, including Liverpool in cup and league.  The atmosphere's shite but it's live footy and we're drifting that way as we get more and more alienated by Liverpool.  My daughter's at Nottingham Uni, she's been to Forest a couple of times (pisses me off big style, late 70s etc etc) but it's good value, it's live footy, and she can get in.

Liverpool's getting too big for its boots.  It's in my blood but the greed and the treatment of fans as customers then poor treatment of customers is slowly eroding my will to keep coming back.   

This sadly will get worse before it gets better. They don't stop selling memberships so dangle the carrot but demand outstrips supply at least 10/12 fold
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« Reply #90 on: February 8, 2016, 11:56:20 pm »
Great job btw Harinder.

It's a sad situation. The spin they will have to for this ever growing PR nightmare will put a Cat 5 hurricane to shame.

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« Reply #91 on: February 9, 2016, 12:12:02 am »
Infographics 8)

The bitly link (http://bit.ly/lfcticketprices) brings to the thread on first page . You can also see online version (hover over doughnut image to get numbers)

https://magic.piktochart.com/output/11079192-the-great-ticketing-blag



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« Reply #92 on: February 9, 2016, 12:16:26 am »
And it's not just tickets. Membership costs me £35 (I think) which is £70 to me 'cause I pay for my student daughter's too.  And what do I/we get for that?  For the last season and this,  absolutely nothing.  I can't get tickets 'cause I haven't been to enough games, and I haven't been to enough games 'cause I can't get tickets, and I can't get tickets...........etc etc.  I don't live locally anymore so that has an impact on what games I can get to but without membership I'd have no chance whatsoever unless I want to pay shitloads through some ticket agent like the tourists do.  But the club don't care they're taking my £70 for sod all.  And I' know I'm not the only one, there must be thousands like me who have money taken by DD and get nothing whatsoever in return.  More fool me I suppose.

In contrast we have membership at Reading, yes I know championship and not much cop, but it cost me £2 for me and £1 for my daughter 5 years ago as a one off payment.  So it covered when they were in the top league.   We've seen some superb games, including Liverpool in cup and league.  The atmosphere's shite but it's live footy and we're drifting that way as we get more and more alienated by Liverpool.  My daughter's at Nottingham Uni, she's been to Forest a couple of times (pisses me off big style, late 70s etc etc) but it's good value, it's live footy, and she can get in.

Liverpool's getting too big for its boots.  It's in my blood but the greed and the treatment of fans as customers then poor treatment of customers is slowly eroding my will to keep coming back.   

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“I was at Anfield on Saturday when Liverpool fans took their stand about the club publishing a price list for tickets next season that will cost as much as £77,” Carragher said. “I walked out, along with another 10,000 or so, in the 77th minute."

“People have said to me since then ‘it’s ok for you on your big wages, that’s why the prices are so high’. I was paid well, yes, but I was there for 17 years and in comparison to some of the other players who were in that squad, it was fair."

“That’s what you want ticket prices to be: fair. I know the increase will not impact on me but I also know plenty about my city — £77 is too much to watch a game anywhere but that price is particularly over the top in Liverpool."

“The club say that £77 gets you the best seat in the newest stand in the country but why should that be an elitist thing?"

“Why can’t the normal working man have the chance to sit there? It isn’t fair."

“Walking out, though, wasn’t a nice experience. The pictures you will have seen were visually striking — and they struck a chord with Fenway Sports Group, the club’s owners — but it wasn’t a happy atmosphere inside the stadium as fans argued with each other."

“You want to be proud of your club. You chose them and stick with them through thick and thin."

“If Marks and Spencer’s increase their prices, you can shop somewhere else but when your team does it, you are obliged to stick with them.
That’s what people need to understand about the walkout at Anfield."

“It wasn’t just Liverpool fans sticking up for themselves, it was Liverpool fans saying ‘enough is enough’ for every supporter across the land.”

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« Reply #93 on: February 9, 2016, 12:40:54 am »
All I know is that I feel we are being screwed to the bone, my head fucking hurts with all the numbers. Fuck me though what a great piece of investigative work by the OP.

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« Reply #94 on: February 9, 2016, 12:49:07 am »
Infographics 8)

The bitly link (http://bit.ly/lfcticketprices) brings to the thread on first page . You can also see online version (hover over doughnut image to get numbers)

https://magic.piktochart.com/output/11079192-the-great-ticketing-blag



Dropbox link - https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6s70u1bjz5pu64/the-great-ticketing-blag_all.png?dl=0
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« Reply #95 on: February 9, 2016, 06:16:05 am »
FSG started by scrapping the PTS almost as soon as they got through the door. The warning signs were there and since then under the cloak of the rest of the Premier League have slowly set about changing the cost of going to the game.
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« Reply #96 on: February 9, 2016, 08:53:36 am »
Maybe I'm blind, but have the total membership numbers been posted here? How many memberships do they sell each year?
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« Reply #97 on: February 9, 2016, 08:57:40 am »
Maybe I'm blind, but have the total membership numbers been posted here? How many memberships do they sell each year?


No one knows for sure. Some state near 100k memberships
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« Reply #98 on: February 9, 2016, 09:02:05 am »
No one knows for sure. Some state near 100k memberships
Allright. Thanks! Brilliant work by the way.
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« Reply #99 on: February 9, 2016, 09:08:44 am »
There are well over 100,000 memberships. 115,000 at last count I think.
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« Reply #100 on: February 9, 2016, 09:14:17 am »
There are well over 100,000 memberships. 115,000 at last count I think.

I don't suppose that gets broken down at all? Although none of the options are cheap. Even allowing for concessions, that would suggest north of £3M a year in membership fees.

I presume that number does include Fancard holders.




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« Reply #101 on: February 9, 2016, 09:49:55 am »

I presume that number does include Fancard holders.


I'd be surprised if it did mate - the club seem to want to differentiate the FCH's from the Membership to the point where they don't want us FCH's to exist anymore (eg - us Fan Card Holders are in with the General Public sales these days) - it'd be a bit cheeky of the club to include us in their £30 p/a Membership numbers.

Am only surprised that the club haven't run a 'Membership for a £10'er' p/a initial type offer to get us FCH's to 'upgrade' to being Members (and then hit us with the normal Membership fee the season after).


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Would definitely be interesting to see a breakdown of the Membership figures when it comes to buying (or attempting to buy) tickets though...
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #102 on: February 9, 2016, 10:40:52 am »
Infographics 8)

The bitly link (http://bit.ly/lfcticketprices) brings to the thread on first page . You can also see online version (hover over doughnut image to get numbers)

https://magic.piktochart.com/output/11079192-the-great-ticketing-blag



Dropbox link - https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6s70u1bjz5pu64/the-great-ticketing-blag_all.png?dl=0



Dynamite that - very informative breakdown.

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« Reply #103 on: February 9, 2016, 10:56:11 am »
Just come across this article from 2012

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/oct/15/liverpool-anfield-redevelopment-ian-ayre

Asked whether increasing capacity could allow Liverpool to make some tickets more affordable – a seat on the Kop for a category A match is now £45 – Ayre said: "We're not looking at reducing ticket prices – that's not realistic."

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« Reply #104 on: February 9, 2016, 12:41:21 pm »
There are well over 100,000 memberships. 115,000 at last count I think.

Hence why FSG weren't too fussed about pissing all over the original 10,000 PTS members and diluting their loyalty tenfold in a stroke.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #105 on: February 9, 2016, 01:34:11 pm »
There are well over 100,000 memberships. 115,000 at last count I think.

That is staggering. That means a great thing to work out is how many members had 15 on their card prior to 2015/2016 season because they wield the only guarantee of matchday tickets in bulk sales... almost!

First half bulk sales was 15 or more from previous season and category B (only cat B and C for first half). It was already made harder on 7th July as the servers died due to power cut. This meant Cat B guarantee for those in first sale.
Cat C and remainder went on sale the next day and guess what was gone in sixty seconds (well minutes maybe)? Kop and Anny Road  ;D Everything had sold out if I recall in 3 or so hours with some left on system being told you'll be waiting over an hour. From 8.15am. Ouch!

Second bulk sales was same. Cat A and B and 15 from previous season guaranteed to get tickets. Nov 17th. Then next day those with 8 and first come first served with no guarantees. Day 3 was all members on the scraps left in Cat B.

You'll never climb that ladder easily. Late availability sales become the only possible saviour but you have to be fast and lucky in equal measure to be successful in this endeavour. Hospitality matchday tickets if I recall do count as credits so if you pay more, much more, you'll have your day. I don't knock hospitality but it does hurt when you're that far priced out.

They can make a lot of things available and spin it in totals but anyone's who has been through any sales process around matchday tickets knows it's a hard slog to get anything.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #106 on: February 9, 2016, 01:46:00 pm »
Liverpool's getting too big for its boots.  It's in my blood but the greed and the treatment of fans as customers then poor treatment of customers is slowly eroding my will to keep coming back.   

This is the case now for many. We all love this club, too much in some instances - but how the club handle this issue and the broader issue of fans as customers is going to have a massive bearing on how much of my life I continue to dedicate to it.

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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #107 on: February 9, 2016, 01:58:23 pm »
That is staggering. That means a great thing to work out is how many members had 15 on their card prior to 2015/2016 season because they wield the only guarantee of matchday tickets in bulk sales... almost!

First half bulk sales was 15 or more from previous season and category B (only cat B and C for first half). It was already made harder on 7th July as the servers died due to power cut. This meant Cat B guarantee for those in first sale.
Cat C and remainder went on sale the next day and guess what was gone in sixty seconds (well minutes maybe)? Kop and Anny Road  ;D Everything had sold out if I recall in 3 or so hours with some left on system being told you'll be waiting over an hour. From 8.15am. Ouch!

Second bulk sales was same. Cat A and B and 15 from previous season guaranteed to get tickets. Nov 17th. Then next day those with 8 and first come first served with no guarantees. Day 3 was all members on the scraps left in Cat B.

You'll never climb that ladder easily. Late availability sales become the only possible saviour but you have to be fast and lucky in equal measure to be successful in this endeavour. Hospitality matchday tickets if I recall do count as credits so if you pay more, much more, you'll have your day. I don't knock hospitality but it does hurt when you're that far priced out.

They can make a lot of things available and spin it in totals but anyone's who has been through any sales process around matchday tickets knows it's a hard slog to get anything.

Is this the line of thinking that led to the 77 quid ticket though? That the people on 15 credits prob won't pay it, therefore it will open up the opportunity for others to start to build their credits, and even out the curve between those stacked with credits and those just getting into the game, even if the initial part of that journey is via expensive tickets?

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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #108 on: February 9, 2016, 02:01:39 pm »
The modal prices per match of season tickets:



Via  https://twitter.com/behnisch/status/697048718550441984
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #109 on: February 9, 2016, 02:18:09 pm »
That is staggering. That means a great thing to work out is how many members had 15 on their card prior to 2015/2016 season because they wield the only guarantee of matchday tickets in bulk sales... almost!

First half bulk sales was 15 or more from previous season and category B (only cat B and C for first half). It was already made harder on 7th July as the servers died due to power cut. This meant Cat B guarantee for those in first sale.
Cat C and remainder went on sale the next day and guess what was gone in sixty seconds (well minutes maybe)? Kop and Anny Road  ;D Everything had sold out if I recall in 3 or so hours with some left on system being told you'll be waiting over an hour. From 8.15am. Ouch!

Second bulk sales was same. Cat A and B and 15 from previous season guaranteed to get tickets. Nov 17th. Then next day those with 8 and first come first served with no guarantees. Day 3 was all members on the scraps left in Cat B.

You'll never climb that ladder easily. Late availability sales become the only possible saviour but you have to be fast and lucky in equal measure to be successful in this endeavour. Hospitality matchday tickets if I recall do count as credits so if you pay more, much more, you'll have your day. I don't knock hospitality but it does hurt when you're that far priced out.

They can make a lot of things available and spin it in totals but anyone's who has been through any sales process around matchday tickets knows it's a hard slog to get anything.

The problem is that it is now nearly impossible to buy tickets without a membership. A lot of people become members and try to buy in the bulk sales, even if they are just after tickets for one match. The 'priority access' membership should really be for fans that go to most of the matches, one-off visitors should be able to buy without it. But obviously its free money for the club, not even a ticket in return.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #110 on: February 9, 2016, 02:49:32 pm »
Hence why FSG weren't too fussed about pissing all over the original 10,000 PTS members and diluting their loyalty tenfold in a stroke.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #111 on: February 9, 2016, 02:57:44 pm »
The modal prices per match of season tickets:



Via  https://twitter.com/behnisch/status/697048718550441984

Modal is completely the wrong average to use here. Mean or Median could be justified, but the mode for Liverpool will be Band 6. (Centenary / Main Stand Upper). For most clubs I would guess that their modal ticket is a lower priced one. It is a quirk of the banding.  The figures are damning enough without lying with statistics.

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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #112 on: February 9, 2016, 02:59:46 pm »
pts was cancelled before FSG came, was 2009 it was binned off

Yep this was a Hicks and Gillett move - spent years waiting for one, had it for a season and then had it taken from me.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #113 on: February 9, 2016, 03:25:16 pm »
pts was cancelled before FSG came, was 2009 it was binned off

Yes it was 2009 stopped going after that.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #114 on: February 9, 2016, 04:36:14 pm »
I don't think they'd go the money grab like this unless it was to peak revenue in aid of diluting FSG's ownership. Otherwise it makes no long term sense to go to war with the supporter base like this.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #115 on: February 9, 2016, 04:41:01 pm »
pts was cancelled before FSG came, was 2009 it was binned off

Yes, meant Ian Ayre, it was all his doing and the start of where we are now.
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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #116 on: March 7, 2016, 04:31:20 pm »
Well done for this outstanding hard work and research. I don't know how you pulled it all together but flipping great effort.

Ripping off the support, such a shame. I really don't want to be one of those dads who grows old saying,  I remember. But you can sense the end of affordability, even if not already.

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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #117 on: June 18, 2016, 12:07:26 pm »
10,000 tickets it says here for 2016/17:
http://members.liverpoolfc.com/ticket-information

In 2014/15 we had 10,000 tickets for members.
In 2015/16 we had 8,500 tickets for members.
In 2016/17 we have 10,000 tickets for members.

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Re: The great ticketing PR Blag - Living on a PRAyre
« Reply #118 on: June 18, 2016, 12:39:38 pm »
In 15/16 members seats were 1500 down due to construction weren't they?!

So yes. A whole new stand. Not a single extra seat in the members sale? Doesn't make sense.
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« Reply #119 on: June 18, 2016, 01:04:59 pm »
In 15/16 members seats were 1500 down due to construction weren't they?!

Without checking back last season we had a bit over 500 unavailable due to building and TV deal. The rest the post details where they went over time. I.e. not me or you.