Topic: 21/22 Goals and assists

[deFacto please, you bastards]

It's wonderful to see that we have goals spread out from all over the place, and it's quite interesting to see how they all push each other and are in sync. Will be really interesting to see if we can maintain this and who will end up being the top goal-scorer at the end, and hopefully with silverware to show for.

Thus far in all competitions

Goals:

Coutinho - 4
Firmino - 3
Lallana -  3
Mane - 3
Sturridge - 2
Origi - 2

I think Gini will be up there as well once he breaks his duck and hopefully Hendo can add more goals to his locker this year as well. really exciting and refreshing.

Does anyone have the assist stats in all competitions, I found several different ones, I don't know which ones are accurate.

[Mr_Shane]

The way we play, Milner could very well be our top scorer as a result of scoring 20 penalties

[ToneLa]

Chipping in all over the team. Hendo, milly, didn't klavan get one?

[Fiasco]

Sturridge and Origi are yet to score in the league. That won't remain the case for too long. Matip looks sure to break his duck soon and I think he could take over the mantle from Skrtel, who was good for 3-5 goals a season from set plays. Wijnaldum is more than capable of adding to the tally and I'm thrilled that Lallana is starting to find the net with more regularity. Ings hasn't played a minute of Premier League football yet and Ojo and one or two others are yet to feature.

It doesn't look too bad on the goalscoring front!

[ToneLa]

Hope we start letting the goalies take pens otherwise they will feel left out 

[Fiasco]

Hope we start letting the goalies take pens otherwise they will feel left out 

I really don't want to see Mignolet's impression of Charlie Adam's penalty in the League Cup final...

[ToneLa]

I really don't want to see Mignolet's impression of Charlie Adam's penalty in the League Cup final...

Wouldn't mind to be honest, could do with another match ball landing in me garden 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Anyone have the correct assist stats?

[NaivetyinBlack]

Gini should have scored yesterday, had a couple of chances inside the penalty area. Pretty sure he'll start delivering consistently once the first one goes in.

The great thing about having so many scorers in the team is that our reliance on specific players is not as paramount as with other teams. I am so glad that we have grown out of that 'Oh shit ! Sturridge is injured. Now who will score?' phase we were living in for the past 2 seasons. He isn't even in our best side anymore. Makes him hungry for more when he invariably will start regularly.

Opposition fans have switched to "Oh you're a couple of injuries to Mane and Coutinho away from being mid table."

No, we're not.

[bird_lfc]

Gini should have scored yesterday, had a couple of chances inside the penalty area. Pretty sure he'll start delivering consistently once the first one goes in.

The great thing about having so many scorers in the team is that our reliance on specific players is not as paramount as with other teams. I am so glad that we have grown out of that 'Oh shit ! Sturridge is injured. Now who will score?' phase we were living in for the past 2 seasons. He isn't even in our best side anymore. Makes him hungry for more when he invariably will start regularly.

Opposition fans have switched to "Oh you're a couple of injuries to Mane and Coutinho away from being mid table."

No, we're not.

certainly not the case. we looked just as good recently when coutinho was on the bench.

it's all looking rather rosy at the moment. need to string a few wins together now to keep the momentum up.

[farawayred]

This team has the ability to evolve as Pep's Barcelona in terms of goal sharing ability, and I fucking love it! Never mind that that Barca was the best team to ever grace the planet, and yeah we don't have the superstars, but Pep made sure that all of his players are goalscorers. Same with Klopp. We didn't even have Sturridge on the field for half the time (right?). Sharing the goal scoring around is (imho) one of the best hallmarks of total football since Cryuff's days. That and the idea that players can play everywhere.

[rob1966]

Chipping in all over the team. Hendo, milly, didn't klavan get one?

Klavan became our 10th different scorer this season.

[dimitri]

Premier League only:

Lallana: 3 Goals - 3 Assists
Coutinho: 3 Goals - 2 Assists
Milner: 3 Goals - 1 Assist
Mane: 3 Goals - 1 Assist
Firmino: 2 Goals
Henderson: 1 Goal
Sturridge: 1 Assist

[Kashinoda]

What are they smoking at the BBC?

[Elmo!]

What are they smoking at the BBC?

Only 6th top scorer? He needs to be sold.

[Mr_Shane]

Premier League only:

Lallana: 3 Goals - 3 Assists
Coutinho: 3 Goals - 2 Assists
Milner: 3 Goals - 1 Assist
Mane: 3 Goals - 1 Assist
Firmino: 2 Goals
Henderson: 1 Goal
Sturridge: 1 Assist

I think Lovren is missing. He scored against Chelsea. In a few weeks time, this is going to be difficult to keep track of

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I think Lovren is missing. He scored against Chelsea. In a few weeks time, this is going to be difficult to keep track of

Let's see if we can manage it 

[Motty]

Nothing more satisfying than winning games with goals from all over the pitch. Like the good all days.

[GreatEx]

Coutinho - 4
Firmino - 3
Lallana -  3
Mane - 3
Sturridge - 2
Origi - 2

No love for Jimmy Milner?

[Agent99]

From Transfermarkt:

Philippe Coutinho - 4 Goals - 3 Assists
Sadio Mane - 3 Goals - 3 Assists
Adam Lallana - 3 Goals - 3 Assists
James Milner - 3 Goals - 2 Assists   
Roberto Firmino - 3 Goals - 2 Assists
Daniel Sturridge - 2 Goals - 2 Assists
Divock Origi - 2 Goals
Jordan Henderson - 1 Goal
Ragnar Klavan - 1 Goal
Dejan Lovren - 1 Goal   
Nathaniel Clyne - 2 Assists
Georginio Wijnaldum - 2 Assists
Emre Can - 1 Assist

[farawayred]

I think Lovren is missing. He scored against Chelsea. In a few weeks time, this is going to be difficult to keep track of

We will then keep a track of who hasn't scored yet.

You hear that Loris?

[BassTunedToRed]

From Transfermarkt:

Philippe Coutinho - 4 Goals - 3 Assists
Sadio Mane - 3 Goals - 3 Assists
Adam Lallana - 3 Goals - 3 Assists
James Milner - 3 Goals - 2 Assists   
Roberto Firmino - 3 Goals - 2 Assists
Daniel Sturridge - 2 Goals - 2 Assists
Divock Origi - 2 Goals
Jordan Henderson - 1 Goal
Ragnar Klavan - 1 Goal
Dejan Lovren - 1 Goal   
Nathaniel Clyne - 2 Assists
Georginio Wijnaldum - 2 Assists
Emre Can - 1 Assist

Just so everyone knows, these figures include assisting own goals and winning penalties (which are a bit of grey area as some places count them as assists and some do not).

I keep a google spreadsheet (#nerdalert) which breaks this stuff down. I'll post the link later (as I can't access it at work).

[Dench57]

I Would prefer it if we had a striker who was gonna score 25-30 instead

Yeah. Best to have all our eggs in one basket like that. Worked out very well for us when Suarez left. Sturridge also never gets injured so we know we can rely on him for 40+ games a season.

[Dpt1983]

Yeah. Best to have all our eggs in one basket like that. Worked out very well for us when Suarez left. Sturridge also never gets injured so we know we can rely on him for 40+ games a season.

Hey it's just my opinion mate, I don't think there's a right or wrong way to score goals it's just my preference to have a top striker banging them in

[Dench57]

Hey it's just my opinion mate, I don't think there's a right or wrong way to score goals it's just my preference to have a top striker banging them in

Why?

[SnookerStick]

I Would prefer it if we had a striker who was gonna score 25-30 instead

Mane, Phil, Lallana and Bob are gonna score 30 each anyway. 

[Crosby Nick]

Why?

So we can panic about him leaving the following summer before we even get to Christmas.

[Dpt1983]

Why?

I think it helps to have a striker who can score a lot of goals. I'm not sure what's difficult to understand

[Dubred]

Why would they leave?! And surely the same could go for firmino coutinho etc

I understand where you're coming from.  Its always exciting having a star striker who scores loads and loads of goals.

Its always been that way.

Still think we have that striker anyway in Sturridge but remains to be seen if he can hit those heights.

But if you step back from the romanticism of the game we've been reared on, how much more efficient would it be to have 6 players score 10 goals each rather than 2 score 30 each?

We'd be fair less reliant on any one player either because of injury or wanting to leave.

And it means minimal interruption to the juggernaut regardless of either of the above.

[Simulated Mind]

Mane, Phil, Lallana and Bob are gonna score 30 each anyway. 

Seriously, the way they've started, if they stay fit and healthy, each one of them can close in on 20.

[Dpt1983]

I understand where you're coming from.  Its always exciting having a star striker who scores loads and loads of goals.

Its always been that way.

Still think we have that striker anyway in Sturridge but remains to be seen if he can hit those heights.

But if you step back from the romanticism of the game we've been reared on, how much more efficient would it be to have 6 players score 10 goals each rather than 2 score 30 each?

We'd be fair less reliant on any one player either because of injury or wanting to leave.

And it means minimal interruption to the juggernaut regardless of either of the above.

I'm not sure if sturridge is that striker anymore. I do get what you and others are saying about spreading the goals around, it's just id like a 30 goal a season striker to compliment that

[KingOfStrongStyle]

I love the fact that we are not dependent on a single player for the bulk of our goals, in 13/14 we relied too much on the SAS for our goals, once Suarez left and Sturridge started having his recurring injury problems everything fell apart.

This current team are a unit, players like Firmino, Mane, Lallana, Coutinho and eventually Sturridge along with Origi will start scoring too and teams will suffer the problem of facing a team that have goals from all over the field.

[Dench57]

I think it helps to have a striker who can score a lot of goals. I'm not sure what's difficult to understand

We have a striker who can score a lot of goals. He's called Daniel Sturridge. Right now we don't need to play him every game because our current 11 is breaking goalscoring records and Klopp obviously prefers the high press that Firmino & Co contribute.

What's difficult to understand is why people think we need to have a striker on the pitch even when we're scoring goals for fun. There was an LFC fan on TalkSport last night saying the same thing - "we need to play a striker". If we were struggling for goals, or if we didn't have Sturridge/Origi as alternatives, then I would understand completely.

I guess it's nice to have a star striker banging in hat-tricks. Everyone loves a talisman and at LFC we've been spoilt with a procession of 20/30+ a season strikers for decades. What we're doing now makes more sense practically. Less reliance on one player and one way of playing. And we have great options in Sturridge and Origi should the goals start to dry up with our current set-up.

[Spanish Al]

I'm not sure if sturridge is that striker anymore. I do get what you and others are saying about spreading the goals around, it's just id like a 30 goal a season striker to compliment that

So long as the team scores a bucket load, why does it matter? I'm going to pick up on your point where you say you'd like that striker to compliment the rest of the side. Because I don't think any striker bar Suarez/Aguero could come into this side and score that amount without disrupting the rest. I feel if Sturridge played as our 'main' striker then the other attackers numbers would be compromised somewhat. Maybe Sturridge wouldn't be cause of the way he plays but most other attainable strikers would just disrupt imo. Not drastically, mind.  Mane, Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana are all chipping in because of the way we play, the way we inter change and the fact that we don't have that focal point leading our attack. It's such a joy to watch and while I do agree with you that it is nice to see a main man up front ala Rush, Fowler, Torres or Suarez scoring all the goals, the way we are doing it currently is beautiful to watch and something to be admired. It just makes you more vulnerable when he is missing. Firmino gets injured, no worries. Sturridge gets injured, no worries. Coutinho gets injured, no worries etc etc. We don't rely on any one player/striker anymore so we should probably be appreciative of that and stop yearning for it. Although it is hard because we have historically always loved a main man up front.

I couldn't give a flying fuck who puts them in anyway, so long as the team are.

[Dench57]

Yeah I'm just trying to understand why you prefer that to what we're doing.

[Dpt1983]

Yeah I'm just trying to understand why you prefer that to what we've got.

I don't know I just do

[rscanderlech]

Ideally we could get a hardworking striker to lead the attack who can also be part of the buildup. Examples are Suarez, Tevez and Benzema amongst others. If we could get someone like any of them, then they could combine the benefits of having a main goalscorer with doing the pressing and getting involved in buildup that we see from Firmino.

That would take our attack to the next level and make it one of the best in the world.

[Spanish Al]

I don't care who scores either

I don't know I just do

Make your mind up pal!

[Gnurglan]

It's good to see that we have plenty of goalscorers. Naturally, that's a bonus. But it's also the same kind of situation we've been in since Suarez left. We have goalscorers number three, four, five etc. Maybe even the number two. But not the number one.

I'd like to see one or two players score more than the others. What I want from those two is 30 league goals. That's generally how the roles are for the top sides. When we've challenged, we've been the same.

The argument for this is simple. Our striker duo needs to be on par with the other top sides' strikers. If not, this would automatically be an area for improvement that we'd have to address soon enough.

[kcbworth]

Loving this!