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Mind the gap
« on: January 11, 2013, 08:53:06 pm »
For all the moments in Liverpool's recent history that are remembered -- both with reverence and ridicule -- one catalytic, cataclysmic moment in April 1999 is habitually forgotten. Perhaps selective memory abounds at Anfield.

As a standalone result, Liverpool's 1-0 home defeat to Leicester City on that humid April evening seems fairly innocuous, even with the footnote of former Everton man Ian Marshall scoring the winner with only stoppage time remaining. But as Liverpool slumped to 10th in the Premier League table, it meant a lot more than that. Just over 36,000 -- the smallest crowd of the season -- booed the home side off, their position in English football now inherently clear, with Marshall's last-minute drive past David James the hammer to the nail of realisation.

How things had changed within 90 minutes. The Kop had begun the evening full of voice, and merriment reigned. Though what played out before them did little to stir such rumpus, nearly 1,000 miles away Juventus were taking a 2-0 lead in the Champions League semifinal against Manchester United in Turin.

The clock had not yet struck 8 p.m., yet United were 3-1 behind on aggregate. Dreams shattered and realised in tandem; United's dream of an inaugural treble edged nearer oblivion, while Liverpool's dream of tasting the tears of their hated rivals took a step closer to reality.

Yet the tide began to turn, and the pendulum swung from Anfield to Old Trafford, just as the trophies had over the previous decade. United pulled a goal back, then United were heading through on away goals, and then United were out of sight and into the Champions League final. Meanwhile, Anfield was increasingly quiet as it watched Leicester winger Steve Guppy terrorise Rigobert Song, Robbie Savage school Oyvind Leonhardsen, and centre-back pairing Phil Babb and Dominic Matteo struggle with Tony Cottee.

Though they tasted United's tears for a brief moment that night, realisation set in for Liverpool. The tears of United had also fallen, joyfully, at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Internazionale. They were tears that had fallen, happily, for some of Europe's best players, for Ryan Giggs, Roy Keane and David Beckham.

As United's fortunes changed in Turin, so did Liverpool's. Though admittedly Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen were missing due to injury, options on the bench included Bjorn Tore Kvarme, Jean-Michel Ferri and Sean Dundee, three players jostling for position in the club's worst ever 11, the Frenchman in the middle signed simply to spy on his teammates. In 90 minutes, both home and away, a microcosm of the clichéd power shift from Merseyside to Manchester played out in its full glory.

The booing at the full-time whistle was from an erstwhile era when such behaviour was not commonplace, yet it had been the second time in four days following defeat to Aston Villa. Ignore the sign in the tunnel: This was not Anfield. Not anymore. The boos were not just for the weak surrender to a bottom-half side; it was anger, disappointment and disbelief. How did it come to this for the once-proud Liverpool? In a stadium that saw many celebrations of their own success, it now hosted premature celebrations of failure.

Liverpool would eventually finish the season seventh, while United would capture the treble, but it was on that night when the gap between Manchester United and Liverpool had never seemed so big. Not since Liverpool's promotion into the top flight in 1962 had United stood above the carcass of the Liverbird with such dominance, and that was a time when it meant much less.

Gerard Houllier took note of the mood that night against Leicester. He stood on the touchline, every passing second reinforcing confirmation that the club needed to change. That summer, players such as James, Leonhardsen, Kvarme and Paul Ince left and were replaced by some with much quality. The trio of Dietmar Hamann, Sami Hyypia and Stephane Henchoz would help the club lift the UEFA Cup just two years later.

For what purpose would Liverpool supporters want to stumble down this galling sojourn through memory lane, aside from a timely reminder of how uproariously poor their Scandinavian centre back proved to be? Perhaps because Brendan Rodgers takes his Liverpool side to Old Trafford with the gap as wide as it was 14 years ago, if not wider. Memory lane begins to look quite familiar.

In that time, both clubs have won the Champions League; both teams have provided platforms for some of the world's best to grace this country with their talent; both have exchanged victories and controversies with each other. But despite all that, United stand tall, while Liverpool barely keep standing.

Granted, United don't possess a team capable of conquering Europe with the vivre of the 1999 side, let alone a treble. Liverpool's side, also, are a better prospect than 14 years ago, their current setup bereft of laughably poor players and those more interested in Friday night rather than Saturday afternoon. Yet the gap feels big. It looks big -- 21 points big, to be precise. It has been bigger; Liverpool finished 37 points behind United last season.

But for Liverpool, this is the start of a journey once more. Rodgers will be the fifth Liverpool manager to take to the away dugout at Old Trafford since that night in 1999. Sadly for Liverpool, Sunday's opponents arrived at their destination long before the Reds even considered buying a ticket. The gap between the two clubs should not fall at the feet of Rodgers. In those 14 years, Liverpool have finished above United only once -- proof, if ever any was needed, of the virtue of keeping faith in a manager despite a rocky start.

Of Liverpool's expected starting 11, not one was born when Alex Ferguson took charge of Aberdeen in 1978, while Rodgers was just 5 years old. When Ferguson moved to Manchester in November 1986, Steven Gerrard was 6 while Luis Suarez had only just begun playing keepy-ups in his mother's womb, cheating other embryos and nibbling at the umbilical cord. The gap between Manchester United and Liverpool, first established in 1992 and undulating ever since, is a result of months, years and decades of hard work.

The hard work has only just begun for Rodgers, much like it did for Houllier 14 years ago. He does have solid, though sparse, resources to call upon. Suarez is magnificent; Pepe Reina is still a top quality goalkeeper; Glen Johnson is one of Europe's best fullbacks, while Gerrard's silent leadership and presence can be priceless. Much like the Frenchman, Rodgers also has a design in mind for the football club.

But it's early days. It means Rodgers should be able to approach Sunday's game with less pressure than is normally felt on such an occasion. Though not a tactic to implement over 38 games -- and certainly not one supporters will agree with -- the result is secondary to the performance this weekend. This is a chance for Rodgers and his Liverpool side to show, regardless of gaps between points and playing squads, they can still be competitive with United, the side seven points clear atop of the Premier League. In Houllier's first game at Old Trafford in sole charge, Liverpool should have taken three points against the treble holders, Patrik Berger's fine long-range free kick deserving to be a winner.

Parallels between two sides cannot dictate opinion too much, nor comparisons between two young managers forging their style at a big club like Ferguson and Rodgers. Football has changed a lot since the Scot first walked out at an Old Trafford ground that regarded commercialism as a dirty word and saw 80,000 seats as a castle on the clouds. Interestingly, the game against Leicester in 1999 took place in front of the Anfield Road end's reconstruction, and that little has been done to improve the stadium since shows the gap cannot rest solely with matters on the pitch.

Though Rodgers will publicly say his side are entering the game with three points in their intentions, he knows a point and a performance to show progress will be satisfactory. Few teams outscore Manchester United, which will worry a side as profligate as Liverpool. But such are the travails of a side just starting their journey.

The result Sunday will make little difference to how Rodgers' reign will ultimately rise or fall, even though three points would once more ignite belief in the squad and zero would signal Armageddon. But before that happens, a note: Within two years of that night against Leicester, Liverpool had won the UEFA Cup; within three, they were above Manchester United in the table, albeit for one season. Within six, they were champions of Europe.

There's no guarantee history will repeat, of course. In fact, just one of those achievements would be celebrated as a triumph for Rodgers, particularly in a sport with the money of Manchester City and Chelsea strewn across the landscape. Proof that from the lows can come highs, however.

Sunday will not resemble anything like a low that 1999 elicited; it could even be the high point of Rodgers' tenure. But no matter the outcome, the journey is just starting, and the gap, at some point, may start to close once more.

Link: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/liverpool/id/490?cc=5739
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Mind the gap
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2013, 11:03:15 pm »
Cracking post that mate. A real belter. Shame people would rather bleat about Sahin than see the bigger picture.
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2013, 11:16:36 pm »
Interesting read

It's funny what three quality signings can do. I know we signed others but Didi, Sami and Henchoz were a magical trio for Ged. Rafa had his own with Sissoko, Crouch and Reina. Both of those sets of players transformed us in different ways. For Ged they brought a defensive stability and mindset we had lost. The latter three showed Rafa was learning how to pick up results in England very quickly and after a couple of months allowed us to start competing away from home and becoming very difficult to beat at Anfield.

2002 and 2009 showed us that taking that next step from 2nd to 1st and maintaining form at the top of the league is very difficult. In all honesty when there are clubs with spending power that dwarfs us so much as there is now I don't know if we'll ever get there. You can have occasional golden windows like Rafa and Ged did with those six players where you pick up solid players that fit into your style of play and don't cost a fortune but doing it every summer and doing it with attacking players that take you from a decent team to a quality team is incredibly difficult and takes a lot of money. 4th may or may not be out of our reach this season but whilst we have a decent squad of players it's important we continue to improve this season and build some momentum. We won't jump to the top of the pile overnight but getting into that category just below and giving ourselves a platform to hopefully spring from is entirely possible.
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 11:36:44 pm »
That's brilliant that, really interesting. And when did we finish above them? Guessing it's the year they came 3rd, their lowest ever, which is also an amazing feat in such a time...

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 11:38:26 pm »
That's brilliant that, really interesting. And when did we finish above them? Guessing it's the year they came 3rd, their lowest ever, which is also an amazing feat in such a time...

Lowest ever. I coulda sworn I'd seen a Denis Law back heel relegate the twats.
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 11:43:38 pm »
That's brilliant that, really interesting. And when did we finish above them? Guessing it's the year they came 3rd, their lowest ever, which is also an amazing feat in such a time...

2001/02 we came second to Arsenal with United 3rd. I think they may also have come 3rd either in 04/05 or 05/06 but can't remember now.

Good article though and may give perspective to some. I was there at that Leicester game, never known a flatter crowd (admittedly haven't been to may home games in the last few years!). Sean Dundee's cameo was brilliant though! :D

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 11:51:54 pm »
Read that earlier on ESPN, cracking reads as always Kris.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 11:52:12 pm »
Read that earlier on ESPN, cracking reads as always Kris.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 11:53:21 pm »
That's brilliant that, really interesting. And when did we finish above them? Guessing it's the year they came 3rd, their lowest ever, which is also an amazing feat in such a time...

They finished 3rd in 03/04 as well.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2013, 12:01:40 am »
Cracking read, that!
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2013, 12:03:44 am »
Thanks L6, excellent read. Cheating embyros and chewing umbilical cords  ;D

I'm excited about the future but not too worried about the present. It seems to be bubbling along nicely. Maybe I'm just the optimist and blind believer.

Roll on Sunday, if we turn up we'll tank them. All down to concentration IMHO. And I'm all up for the journey. When we look back at this season I hope we can say that clear progress has been made, which is of course the yard-stick by which Rodgers will be compared against. Progress, clear, obvious, tangible, unambiguous. Wouldn't mind that.

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2013, 12:09:47 am »
Great read that!
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2013, 12:13:06 am »
Nice one Kris. Like the unconventional view of the performance being more important than the result, you don't just churn stuff out. In fact all of your articles are crafted beyond their general level of appreciation/reaction (going off Twitter)!

Interesting to think how much better this squad is than some of those that have gained much more points. That said it still feels like English football is in a bit of a trough at the moment. Hmm...

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2013, 12:15:45 am »
That's brilliant that, really interesting. And when did we finish above them? Guessing it's the year they came 3rd, their lowest ever, which is also an amazing feat in such a time...

It was the year we were "10 games from greatness". In fairness to Houllier we were very close. We won at Old Trafford in January (Gerrard superb performance in the middle of the park and Murphy fucking fantastic chip over Barthez) and had the momentum of his return and the 2-0 win against Roma. Looking at the two sides on paper though we did remarklably well to finish above them and get so close to the semis in the CL. They had Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Giggs, van Nistelrooy, Veron, Giggs, Neville. They were a little weak at the back though.

On a side note how fucking boss was that Roma game? Don't think I've ever enjoyed a home game more with the exception of the 2005 Chelsea semi. There was a real belief running through us, on and off the pitch. We were awesome 1st half, Heskey scared them shitless. "Who needs Delvecchio? We've got pinocchio!"
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2013, 12:33:11 am »
Great read!

Blimey, Kvarme and Lehonardson, pretty low low that, and that's before you mentioned 'the bench'!!  We've had a run of unlucky games recently, lady luck, karma, whatever you want to call it, has to cash in her chips every now and again so luck for us is way overdue.  Having said that, you don't want to rely in luck, you want to rely on talent and self belief.  There are characters in our side that will be relishing this game, they have the ability and the talent to win at OT.

Patience should be afforded to the manager and the team no matter what the result, but I have an inkling that we have what it takes to win this, and this could be the catalyst to drive us on for the rest of the season.

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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2013, 01:04:18 am »
Enjoyed that. Great writing.
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 01:14:54 am »
Great read as usual. There is a strange feeling that the pressure is off for once, not sure that's a good thing with us..

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 08:29:11 am »
Great piece of writing and it shows how after finishing seventh, a few quality signings turned round the fortunes of the club. If Rodgers gets that backing in the summer I am hopeful he will get us back up there.
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2013, 08:58:56 am »
Great writing, although I am wondering what the reaction would be if a non LFC journo wrote about Luis cheating in the womb. :)
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2013, 09:13:50 am »
Lowest ever. I coulda sworn I'd seen a Denis Law back heel relegate the twats.

Relegated? Dennis Law? Who the fuck is he?

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2013, 09:18:45 am »
Excellent article mate. Love your writing, keep it coming

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2013, 09:40:52 am »
Great read Kris.
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2013, 09:43:56 am »
Nice range and perspective - the elephant in the room is our short and disastrous flirt with those Texan twats. Ged to Rafa ought to have been a smooth transition and a consolidation and extension of success, but instead became a corporate clusterfuck that destroyed everything that those two managers had achieved.

H&G set us back a decade or more, and it's really brutally clear when you read a comparison with the Man Utd experience over the same period.

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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2013, 09:59:16 am »
Great writing, although I am wondering what the reaction would be if a non LFC journo wrote about Luis cheating in the womb. :)
It was tongue-in-cheek not Tony Evans-esque, but that's beside the point as I was just about to post there is nothing to argue about L6 Red, you're spot on. A formidable club has created an astonishingly frightening gap in terms of both on & off field positions.
Their recent domination of the league could indeed be worse had it not been for some smart work by Howard Wilkinson as far back as 1992, Kenny Dalglish, Arsene Wenger & Jose Mourinho who all piped them to the title.
When they first won it in '93 my fear was them winning back-to-back leagues - something only great managers do hence why Mancini will be tested on this - then of course my fear was that they'd match us as the only team in recent history to win three in a row - that was a long time coming due to the intervention of the above managers and it took them until 2000/01, an event that went unnoticed by many of our fans as it was the year we won the treble. But it was etched in my mind as a significant progress.

They had a great side when Kenny snatched glory from them in 1995 and at the end of that season when Ince, Hughes & Kanchelskis all left I thought they’d foolishly dismantled it – how wrong was I, the following year they won the double.

I hate them as much as, if not more, than anyone, anybody that knows me well can recall my mood on the evening of 19 May 1999. But they are where they are and as long as we don’t receive a naive thrashing tomorrow Rodgers can’t be blamed for a defeat.

The most important aspect of tomorrow at Old Trafford is that the lads show heart and that they & Brendan Rodger learn from the experience.

Thanks Kris. I hope this thread is treated with respect.

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2013, 10:05:20 am »
Great piece of writing... and I am all for being optimistic, we will manage to close down the gap, it will take couple of years but we will be better, and we will provide a tough opponent for them no matter what will be our or their situation, if there is a team that can hurt them its us...

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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2013, 10:13:03 am »
An enjoyable piece but reading through the list of players and the sharp contrast in our fortunes in comparisons to Man United's just makes me realize how much of our own short comings have been self inflicted.

Most other clubs would have built on titles runs like we had in 2002 and 2009 and go on to bigger and better things. Never seems to work out that way for us (due to a numbers of well discussed reasons).

It maybe a controversial view, but I think Liverpool's tendency for self sabotage really started when we brought back Rush at the expense of Aldridge. 

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2013, 10:16:50 am »
Nice range and perspective - the elephant in the room is our short and disastrous flirt with those Texan twats. Ged to Rafa ought to have been a smooth transition and a consolidation and extension of success, but instead became a corporate clusterfuck that destroyed everything that those two managers had achieved.

H&G set us back a decade or more, and it's really brutally clear when you read a comparison with the Man Utd experience over the same period.

I don't disagree with H&G setting our club back immeasurably but I think almost everyone felt Houllier had to go. Once he had that heart attack, it just wasn't the same anymore and frankly the squad was very underwhelming. Seems like it would hardly have been a smooth transition irrespective of who the owners were.

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2013, 10:27:26 am »
I don't disagree with H&G setting our club back immeasurably but I think almost everyone felt Houllier had to go. Once he had that heart attack, it just wasn't the same anymore and frankly the squad was very underwhelming. Seems like it would hardly have been a smooth transition irrespective of who the owners were.

To clarify - I think Ged had reached his upper limits with us, ad handing on to Rafa was the continuity I was referring to in my comment. Rafa was unable to build on his own achievements, because by the time we were challenging for titles we had lost the match in the boardroom. Rafa's ability to manage on the field had been fundamentally damaged by his involvement in the infighting off the field, and that's where we faltered.

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2013, 10:30:12 am »
great read, enjoyed that.

what i cannot fathom out is why a team of such averageness, that is manutd, is so consistant. we smash teams one week and look like relegation fodder the next. football is crazy, i hope brendan wins tommorow, will do him and the team confidence a massive power of good.
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2013, 10:32:09 am »
...bench included Bjorn Tore Kvarme, Jean-Michel Ferri and Sean Dundee, three players jostling for position in the club's worst ever 11...

...while Luis Suarez had only just begun playing keepy-ups in his mother's womb, cheating other embryos and nibbling at the umbilical cord...

...The result Sunday will make little difference to how Rodgers' reign will ultimately rise or fall, even though three points would once more ignite belief in the squad and zero would signal Armageddon...

Fantstic OP L6! Was a great read with some very saline points, sagely delivered! I picked out three points;

The first being, that could be the worst bench in the history of LFC in top flight history....it fact it may be the worst bench in top flight history full stop!

Secondly that line about Suarez is class!

Lastly, armageddon! I believe you are right that the nay sayers will be out in force if we lose on Sunday but I truly think that's poor and says a lot about some of our current fan base! We have no right to expect anything from this game, their home win % is 90% and our away win % is 30! Some will say the form book goes out the window for such games, and to some extent this is true, but we've not won their since 09 and our club has been torn apart since then...albeit now Bredan's incubating that pheonix egg like a proud emporer penguin, which is showing signs that is could hatch open and emerge any day!

As you said, performance first and foremost, result secondary! We want to see progress so that when this fixture comes round next year hopefully we'll have a right to expect something if not al the spoils just yet!

With all that said I saw a 2-3 win for us in my nan's tea leaves!
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2013, 10:33:05 am »
great read, enjoyed that.

what i cannot fathom out is why a team of such averageness, that is manutd, is so consistant. we smash teams one week and look like relegation fodder the next. football is crazy, i hope brendan wins tommorow, will do him and the team confidence a massive power of good.

You won't figure it out until you come to the inevitable conclusion. They're really not that average.
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2013, 10:35:18 am »
Some will say the form book goes out the window for such games, and to some extent this is true, but we've not won their since 98 and our club has been torn apart since then...albeit now Bredan's incubating that pheonix egg like a proud emporer penguin, which is showing signs that is could hatch open and emerge any day!


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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2013, 10:36:54 am »
great read, enjoyed that.

what i cannot fathom out is why a team of such averageness, that is manutd, is so consistant. we smash teams one week and look like relegation fodder the next. football is crazy, i hope brendan wins tommorow, will do him and the team confidence a massive power of good.

United win in the League because 90% of the teams are scared of them and what they can do at their best. United have been a top club over about 21-22 years now and to only have 2 European Cups to show for such a sustained period of league dominance is honestly quite poor. I think thats a product of United having to play teams in Europe who aren't cowed by United's pedigree and will give them a real game instead of being mentally beaten before kick-off.
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2013, 10:38:40 am »
You won't figure it out until you come to the inevitable conclusion. They're really not that average.

imho they are. whisky nose pulls the best outta them and has succesfully done so for years, will give him that. out of the current squad id have rvp and hernandez. rest are ok but dont set the world alight!
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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2013, 10:39:13 am »
Great article that L6 red , for me it reminds me that for the last 20 years we have never been good enough to topple Utd under ANY of the managers we've had so we need to stick with Rodgers and this new project and hope that he can build a dynasty to rival what Fergie had time to build all those years ago

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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2013, 10:40:04 am »
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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2013, 10:42:43 am »
To clarify - I think Ged had reached his upper limits with us, ad handing on to Rafa was the continuity I was referring to in my comment. Rafa was unable to build on his own achievements, because by the time we were challenging for titles we had lost the match in the boardroom. Rafa's ability to manage on the field had been fundamentally damaged by his involvement in the infighting off the field, and that's where we faltered.

To put this in perspective the Hicks and Gillette bought the top ranked side in European football, the team that won the European Cup 18 months earlier, reached the quarter finals last season and was en route to another European Cup Final appearance.  We were the FA Cup holders and consistent top four finishers.

When Hicks, Gillette and our so called "saviours" Broughton and Purslow passed us on a mere three years later we were in the bottom half of the table, many of our best players had left or were in the process of leaving, the gaps had been filled with an assemblage of overpaid ageing free transfer signings, we were managed by that doyen of mediocrity Roy Hodgson, Northampton had knocked us out of the league cup and we were about to go out of the FA Cup at the first hurdle.

In three years we had gone from the top to below where we were in 1994 post Souness.  15 years of progress from Evans, Houllier and Benitez was destroyed within a couple of seasons.  It may well take 15 years to get back.  Not that this will stop the titterati from demanding Rodgers do that in his first season of course.
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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2013, 10:45:15 am »
That post was one of the reasons I joined this site...cracking post ..great read  :thumbup

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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2013, 11:43:36 am »
Excellent read! Not read the other comments as yet - im too eager to post a reply - but if Ive repeated what others have said, forgive me!

We finished 2nd in 2002 with 80 pts. So it just goes to show that with a good manager in charge, who is backed in the transfer market and given time - what strides can be taken in a relatively small amount of time - just 3 years.

Since 1999, Id say we closed that gap twice - once under Ged and once under Rafa. Our problem has been having consistency from one season to the next - weve just not had any.

Just when we looked like we were on the verge of something really good - 2002 and 2009, the following seasons its like we have just got so nervous and completely fluffed our lines. Like the burden and expectation suddenly dawns on the team and they crumble under the pressure - players making mistakes and not good enough on the pitch and managers making very bad moves in the transfer market - Diouf/Cheyrou/Daio for Houllier or just somehow losing their touch like Rafa did (but I will always say that the mitigating circumstances Rafa had to work under with the cowboys wouldve caused undue stress and pressure on any manager).

Right now though, in the most probable First XIs of both teams - I dont think we are a team that is 37 pts or even 21 pts behind.

On paper, our back four and GK are just as good as if not better than their GK and any of the back four they can pick. Id pick Lucas over Carrick any day and Gerrard (and in the future Suso) over Cleverly. And Suarez over Rooney. Its the other 3 positions that we probably fall behind in - but while Henderson, Sterling and Sturridge have great promise - right now they are behind Young, Valencia and RVP but they have the potential to explode and become top players so it will be interesting in a few seasons to how much this gap has closed.

What Utd do have though, and where the gap between the 2 squads really starts to appear, is the attacking strength in depth - Hernandez, Welbeck, Anderson, Giggs, Scholes can all come on and change a game. Downing - as well as hes played recently cant do that and Suso needs more game time. Assaidi hasnt played ad Allen isnt that type of player.

Couple that depth with greater experience, belief and in having a consistent continuous playing system that the players have become used to and you start to get that points gap.

But if we stick with Rodgers and back him to sign the players he wants, then not only may that gap close in a short amount of time (as seen previously) , but we could even reverse it and they will the ones playing catchup. We have to have that belief.


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Re: Mind the gap
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2013, 03:40:52 pm »
we tore them a new one in 2009 remember ;) ok its not a lot to brag about but i wont forget that game .. ever!

Fuck me...half asleep writing that reply....I meant 09 not 98 lol