Topic: FSG (*)

[Groundskeeper Willie]

Chemical Craig at his finest 

Aren't you the one usually urging people to leave out personal insults and ask others to play the ball not the man?

That's peak Donald Trump style that.

[Eeyore]

Aren't you? If not then what the hell are you going after Craig for it?

Because Stadiums are measured in terms of capacity and not in terms of space.

[Chakan]

Because Stadiums are measured in terms of capacity and not in terms of space.

So are you in favor of catering to more disabled people?

[DangerScouse]

Jump on Al for a comment which was clearly made in jest? Fuck sake lads.

[Eeyore]

Aren't you the one usually urging people to leave out personal insults and ask others to play the ball not the man?

That's peak Donald Drumpf style that.

How is it a personal insult .I was clearly giving Craig a dig about acting like a comical PR spokesperson for the Club. With a fucking big smiley to emphasize the point.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

How is it a personal insult .I was clearly giving Craig a dig about acting like a comical PR spokesperson for the Club. With a fucking big smiley to emphasize the point.

You're the Donald Trump of RAWK. 😀

[Eeyore]

So are you in favor of catering to more disabled people?

It should of been part of the main stand redevelopment and shouldn't of relied on government intervention.

[G Richards]

Just wanted to say there's a lot of good stuff on here - analysis, informed opinion, and so on. I'm not on here very much but the last few pages of this thread sort of lets it down a bit. Lots of pedantry and different sides being taken and so on, when really I don't think there's any need.

Anyhow, no beef with anyone here, and like everyone else I'm hoping for three points at the weekend.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

Getting sucked in by Donald 😀 so I better leave again. Bye bye.

[Eeyore]

You're the Donald Drumpf of RAWK. 😀

Cheeky Bastard.

[Samie]

Al loves Rawk bigly.

[Graham Smith]

It should of been part of the main stand redevelopment and shouldn't of relied on government intervention.

Al, to be fair the MS has been designed to be fully compliant. The rules aren't just about total numbers but it is also about provision being all round the ground.

They wouldn't have been compliant if they had just loaded all the provision into the MS. Disabled fans should get as much choice as able bodied supporters - this new provision is also giving them better specs rather than just being pushed to the front of the Kop where they get soaked and have a shit view.

But part of the problem with the Kop and Kemlyn provision is that the delay on the ARE has meant that it has all had to be shoehorned into those two stands. But we'll be compliant.

[Eeyore]

Getting sucked in by Donald 😀 so I better leave again. Bye bye.

The irony is that we are part owned by the Republican governor of Illinois and JWH has made donations to the Republican party. Add in the last lot of American owners being buddies of George Dubya and you are likening me a socialist with Trump.

[NaivetyinBlack]

Stadiums are measured In capacity not per sqm.

But we aren't measuring capacity. We are debating on FSG's promise to continue investing in Anfield. And if they do the Kop expansion, they are. Simple as.

[Eeyore]

Al, to be fair the MS has been designed to be fully compliant. The rules aren't just about total numbers but it is also about provision being all round the ground.

They wouldn't have been compliant if they had just loaded all the provision into the MS. Disabled fans should get as much choice as able bodied supporters - this new provision is also giving them better specs rather than just being pushed to the front of the Kop where they get soaked and have a shit view.

But part of the problem with the Kop and Kemlyn provision is that the delay on the ARE has meant that it has all had to be shoehorned into those two stands. But we'll be compliant.

Cheers for that Graham.

[Billy The Kid]

Stadiums are measured In capacity not per sqm.

Oh for fucks sake

[El Lobo]

Oh for fucks sake

You just have to take your hat off to him sometimes

[PeterTheRed ...]

Capacity, capacity, capacity.

We have a huge waiting list yet you are somehow celebrating less people being able to watch us.

You do realize there are also many disabled people on that huge waiting list?

[Eeyore]

You just have to take your hat off to him sometimes

Right then show me a list of stadiums ranked in terms of space.

[Billy The Kid]

Right then show me a list of stadiums ranked in terms of space.

[CraigDS]

Right then show me a list of stadiums ranked in terms of space.

No one is attempting to rank Anfield based on space. No one is saying capacity is increasing.

However you cannot ignore that the ground is being expanded. You're being disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

[El Lobo]

Right then show me a list of stadiums ranked in terms of space.

Why?!

[Graham Smith]

No one is attempting to rank Anfield based on space. No one is saying capacity is increasing.

However you cannot ignore that the ground is being expanded. You're being disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Please, please stop it.

The ground is not being expanded, it is being reconfigured.

Quite rightly, able bodied capacity is being surrendered to allow more disabled access.

It is not an FSG anti or pro argument this - but calling it an expansion of a stadium is disingenuous.

[Billy The Kid]

You do realize there are also many disabled people on that huge waiting list?

He probably didn't realize it. Nor will he admit to such. He's never in the wrong you see

He's probably busily typing a response for you as we speak, which I assure you, will be yet another spiralling tangent of utter madness

[Eeyore]

Tone down the personal insults Al, really no need.

It's a good thing we're expanding the number of disabled seats at Anfield dickheads  and it should be more. Never a negative.

Pretty clear who is giving out the personal insults mate. As ever though you only look to attack people on one side of the argument.

[Eeyore]

Please, please stop it.

The ground is not being expanded, it is being reconfigured.

Quite rightly, able bodied capacity is being surrendered to allow more disabled access.

It is not an FSG anti or pro argument this - but calling it an expansion of a stadium is disingenuous.

It's akin to cramming another sofa into the lounge and convincing yourself that you have built an extension.

[Graham Smith]

You do realize there are also many disabled people on that huge waiting list?

More reason to expand the ARE - get more provision in the ground than the statutory minimum.

[Eeyore]

No one is attempting to rank Anfield based on space. No one is saying capacity is increasing.

However you cannot ignore that the ground is being expanded. You're being disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Fucking hell Craig.

Are you unable or just unwilling to comprehend simple English?

Anfield, next season, will have a larger amount of viewing space, in sqm, than now. It will be larger.

Now I agree capacity will be less, due to new legislation meaning smaller able bodied seats being changed to larger disabled bodied seats. However that doesn't change the fact Anfield will be larger.

[CraigDS]

Fucking hell Craig.

Where have I ranked Anfield there?

[CraigDS]

Please, please stop it.

The ground is not being expanded, it is being reconfigured.

Quite rightly, able bodied capacity is being surrendered to allow more disabled access.

It is not an FSG anti or pro argument this - but calling it an expansion of a stadium is disingenuous.

You build an extension on your house on the Wirral to add a big master bedroom, and knock through two small box rooms to create a bigger bedroom so your youngest stops complaining about their tiny room.

You've still got a 4 bed house.

Have you expanded your house?

[Eeyore]

You do realize there are also many disabled people on that huge waiting list?

Disabled people have been missing out on going the game because there was an appalling lack of spaces, something that has only been addressed because of government intervention.

The irony is that you are somehow trying to twist that. My viewpoint has always been crystal clear on this matter we should of built a ground with enough space to provide everyone with a chance of watching the game at a reasonable price.

The reason that there has been a lack of disabled spaces for me is down to the Club being run as a business and the fact that for capitalists it is all about extracting as much money as possible.

[Graham Smith]

You build an extension on your house on the Wirral to add a big master bedroom, and knock through two small box rooms to create a bigger bedroom so your youngest stops complaining about their tiny room.

You've still got a 4 bed house.

Have you expanded your house?

Yes, but the extension hasn't been built - we've just converted the spare room into a study.

Anyway you're embarrassing yourself now to your audience.

[Samie]

Pretty clear who is giving out the personal insults mate. As ever though you only look to attack people on one side of the argument.

That was just a general "dickhead" comment mate. Not specifically aimed at you. unless you think you were being a dickhead?

[Pistolero]

It's akin to cramming another sofa into the lounge and convincing yourself that you have built an extension.

fuck my weekend up why dont ya...

[Eeyore]

Yes, but the extension hasn't been built - we've just converted the spare room into a study.

Anyway you're embarrassing yourself now to your audience.

Graham he knows exactly what is happening.

No I know why, was just wondering just how much it would be cut by.

The Upper Centenary is seeing every stairwell narrowed by a seat width this summer, so the density is being increased there a fair amount. So wondering how much the current stairwells and exits could handle.

[CraigDS]

Yes, but the extension hasn't been built - we've just converted the spare room into a study.

Anyway you're embarrassing yourself now to your audience.

We're adding big sections onto the back corners of the Kop.

[Samie]

Can I get a games room  in this extension too please?

[Eeyore]

That was just a general "dickhead" comment mate. Not specifically aimed at you. unless you think you were being a dickhead?

I don't have a problem with it mate. Anyone complaining about disabled people getting access to see their team deserves the term you used.

I was more interested in Eel being precious because for me the debate isn't going the way he would like.

[Eeyore]

We're adding big sections onto the back corners of the Kop.

But also re-modelling part of the existing structure.

[Billy The Kid]

But also re-modelling part of the existing structure.

I love it