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Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?

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Voting closed: March 27, 2017, 03:02:31 pm

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2017, 09:50:17 pm »
The Ballon Dor really is a crock of shit - individual awards for a team game are obnoxious

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2017, 09:51:59 pm »
Except you. Not sure what your 'John Bull Brexit' comment was supposed to mean. But you're full of shit

I think you've failed to grasp the gist of his post
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2017, 09:57:06 pm »
Ballon is about popularity and WC is about football.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2017, 10:00:45 pm »
I think you've failed to grasp the gist of his post

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2017, 10:15:46 pm »
I think you've failed to grasp the gist of his post

Cheers Billy!

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You have!

I think everyone who knows anything about football can get on board with Best being "one of the most naturally gifted footballers ever to kick a ball". So were Dalglish, Ronaldinho, Matthaus, Barnes, Iniesta, Eder, Zidane, Rivaldo...I could go on. But that's not what we were talking about.

We were talking about who, in our own little worlds, were generally considered the Greatest Of All Time.

Every region has their own parochial slant on this to be fair. In the UK, I've found there are a few certain inward looking people who will throw George Best into the conversation. If you go to Brazil, Pele isn't even clear cut the best Brazilian - it's between him, Garrincha and Zico.

Friendly advice though from one red to another - maybe you should calm down a bit on the internet. Telling someone they're "full of shit" on a Liverpool forum because you thought they had a different opinion on George Best as you is a bit OTT, can't be good for your stress levels buddy.  :wave

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2017, 10:26:00 pm »
Until the Messi/Ronaldo era I don't recall the Ballon d'Or being that big of a deal. Halfway through the week you'd hear Zidane or someone had won it and carry on as normal. In the last few years FIFA realised there's a chance to cash in and make it football's answer to the Oscars, by doing so they've managed to convince a large amount of fans that it's far more prestigious than it actually is.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2017, 10:27:17 pm »
I bet Messi would trade all his Ballon d'ors for a WC mate.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2017, 10:27:21 pm »
'John Bull Brexit types'  :lmao

One of the most naturally gifted footballers ever to kick a ball. Completely ignorant to suggest otherwise.

Think you will find it was Steve Bull, not John.
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2017, 10:30:08 pm »
Think you will find it was Steve Bull, not John.

Not sure if you're making a Wolves based joke (it's late), so if you're not; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bull

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2017, 10:46:26 pm »
Not sure if you're making a Wolves based joke (it's late), so if you're not; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bull

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Ha ha. It was "the most naturally gifted footballer to ever kick a ball" that set me off.

Yeah, Bully was a Wolves favourite but did get 13 caps for England.
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2017, 10:56:42 pm »
Thanks for the input folks, he's well been put in his place :)
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2017, 10:59:48 pm »
Just had a look at past Ballon d'Or winners, must say I have no idea who Josef Masopust and Florian Albert were. I've vaguely heard the names Oleg Blokhin, Allan Simonsen and Igor Belanov but I couldn't tell you a thing about them.
This is actually the thing that was cool about the old Ballon d'Or (back when it was the France Football award) - it was like the best, most exclusive club with the strictest door policy.  You'd fucking love to get in there, have a club sandwich with Jean-Pierre Papin then head down for a game of tennis with Keegan.  Imagine being around the fussball table.

Real Madrid campaigning for Ronaldo all year, it just isn't the same thing.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2017, 11:00:17 pm »
If anyones interested these guys have won all three of these.



can't find a list of world cup and ballon dor winners, I know Fabio Cannavaro is certainly one.
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2017, 11:01:27 pm »
Football is a team sport so the world cup.
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2017, 11:02:18 pm »
Football is a team sport so the world cup.
Yet presumably you wouldn't claim winning the charity shield is bigger than a Ballon dor or PFA award?
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2017, 11:06:12 pm »
Yet presumably you wouldn't claim winning the charity shield is bigger than a Ballon dor or PFA award?

Well the charity shield is a glorified friendly so no.
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2017, 11:09:08 pm »
can't find a list of world cup and ballon dor winners, I know Fabio Cannavaro is certainly one.
It's just Matthäus, Ronaldo and Cannavaro, by my count.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2017, 11:16:43 pm »
So this was the most pointless thread ever
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2017, 11:24:36 pm »
So this was the most pointless thread ever

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2017, 11:24:51 pm »
So this was the most pointless thread ever
And that was the most pointless post in it, congratulations sourpuss.

And if you read the original post, it was to prove my housemate is ignorant and knows f*ckall, mission complete. :)
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2017, 11:32:04 pm »
Roy Hodgson used to get a vote for the Ballon dor...

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2017, 11:58:26 pm »
Roy Hodgson used to get a vote for the Ballon dor...

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2017, 12:53:27 am »
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2017, 01:13:24 am »
And that was the most pointless post in it

my work was already done
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #64 on: March 21, 2017, 01:14:56 am »
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2017, 04:55:39 pm »
Ballon D'or I'd say.

Looking back & saying that you were once THE best player on the planet probably leaves a better legacy than being a squad player in a World Cup winning side.

Ideally you'd be the key player in a World Cup winning side, thus being in with a shout of the Ballon D'or anyway.  :D

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2017, 05:34:25 pm »
More importantly, which is greater, a Whirled Cup or a Balloon Door?


I do like watching a Whirled Cup, it looks like a tea-maelstrom that sucks in little buiscuit pirates to their milky doom.

But I also like the bounciness and fundamental whimsy of a Balloon Door.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #67 on: December 7, 2017, 08:05:13 pm »
Cristiano Ronaldo's won the Ballon d'Or this year. Well deserved after his CL knockout performances.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42269979

5 apiece now for him and Messi.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #68 on: December 7, 2017, 08:06:22 pm »
That'll be his last one I reckon.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #69 on: December 7, 2017, 08:06:59 pm »
That'll be his last one I reckon.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #70 on: December 7, 2017, 08:08:17 pm »
But I also like the bounciness and fundamental whimsy of a Balloon Door.

Balloon door every time.
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #71 on: December 7, 2017, 08:25:59 pm »
Just been looking at the list of previous winners. In the 9 years since 2009, all but 3 of the 27 podium places have been playing in Spain (the exceptions being Neymar, Neuer and Ribery all getting bronzes). Of the 24 Spanish based podium finishes all but one (Griezmann in 3rd) has been Real or Barca. Ridiculous concentration of talent.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #72 on: December 7, 2017, 08:39:09 pm »
Just been looking at the list of previous winners. In the 9 years since 2009, all but 3 of the 27 podium places have been playing in Spain (the exceptions being Neymar, Neuer and Ribery all getting bronzes). Of the 24 Spanish based podium finishes all but one (Griezmann in 3rd) has been Real or Barca. Ridiculous concentration of talent.
18 of the 27 have been the same two players tbf.  How do the stats stack up if you look at say 3rd to 5th place instead?  Nice to see Modric edging in there this year.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #73 on: December 7, 2017, 09:21:18 pm »
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #74 on: December 7, 2017, 09:31:45 pm »
Ronaldo again?

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #75 on: December 7, 2017, 09:38:29 pm »
18 of the 27 have been the same two players tbf. 

Yeah true!

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How do the stats stack up if you look at say 3rd to 5th place instead?  Nice to see Modric edging in there this year.

Not sure actually Wikipedia only shows top 3. I'd imagine it would still be Barca/Real heavy though (whichever of Xavi or Iniesta didn't make top 3 would probably take one of the remaining places).


Ronaldo again?

I’m not convinced he’s the best player in Europe now... still remarkable, but I think it’s a blinkered decision that one...

Tbf his performances in the business end of the CL (5 goals V Munich in the QFs, 3 V Atletico in the SFs and 2 V Juve in the final) probably is more impressive than anything else anyone's done this calendar year, plus of course being the main man in a La Liga winning side. I reckon he's earned it.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #76 on: December 7, 2017, 09:55:09 pm »


Tbf his performances in the business end of the CL (5 goals V Munich in the QFs, 3 V Atletico in the SFs and 2 V Juve in the final) probably is more impressive than anything else anyone's done this calendar year, plus of course being the main man in a La Liga winning side. I reckon he's earned it.

It's why they should just do the award in August after the Euros/World Cup/copa america. Absolutely no one cares what players do august - December. It's all about how they perform in the big champions league games and end of season tournaments.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #77 on: December 7, 2017, 10:10:24 pm »
Ballon dor reflects your ability as a player. World cup reflects what you achieved.

Id go for world cup every time, because ability is a matter of opinion, but no one can take a world cup win away.

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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #78 on: December 7, 2017, 10:15:49 pm »
He carried Madrid to the Champions League last season

He's a deserved winner IMO
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Re: Which is the more prestigious honour, the Ballon dor or the World Cup?
« Reply #79 on: December 7, 2017, 10:19:19 pm »
to win the award at 32, must be a record