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The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #760 on:** March 9, 2017, 01:01:40 pm »

Quote from: downtown on March 8, 2017, 11:50:12 pm

All states, including Iran, have departments concerned with monitoring, detecting and also exploring the possibilities of exploiting what could be called vulnerabilites in modern systems.

And you're absolutely correct in that monitoring capabilities have always existed well before the Web, but where you are wrong, is that the CIA/NSA/GCHQ etc are interested in you.

They're highly likely not.

It's about keeping the barbarians at the gates, they do exist, from without or from within, and monitoring those who wish us harm and to damage or destroy the very fabric of our societies, with the actors ranging from kids in the Phillipines who want to crash and trash International Banking systems for the LOLs through those seeking commercial or military information or simply financial blackmail or large scale People and Drug Trafficking and then beyond to sophisticated government funded teams with malicious intent seeking ways to close down power grids for example.

Of course State knowledge of many of these very same techniques also provides any State with a possible new means of waging warfare, for example instead of bombing a power station or a telephone exchange, if you can simply disable it while sitting at a desk 5000Km away it's undoubtedly an attractive and much cleaner proposition should all out conflict erupt and it's certainly got to be better for those working in such places than having a high brisance event unexpectedly delivered in their faces from someone up on high.

But the bad people are not going to go away, anarchists and bastards with evil intent will always exist, and if the CIA/NSA/GCHQ etc were dissolved, I can assure you that within 24 hours new departments would have to be created and will be carrying on doing exactly the same thing.

It's all part of what is referred to here in the UK as Defence of the Realm, and it's something we have always and will continue to take very seriously, and it would be remiss of us not to.

And unlike those who live in Iran, we here are pretty much free to browse wherever and whatever we want.

Ray K · « **Reply #761 on:** March 9, 2017, 02:08:58 pm »

Everyone's favourite frog-faced failed parliamentary candidate has been seen coming out of the Ecuador embassy today by Buzzfeed. When asked what he had been doing there, Frottage replied very convincingly 'I can't remember'

https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/wait-what?utm_term=.prmOMoXEM#.vkRRKoj8K

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #762 on:** March 9, 2017, 03:27:37 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on March 9, 2017, 02:08:58 pm

Reuters reported earlier this morning that the US have been aware of the leak since late last year.

But perish the thought that the timing of this release by Wikileaks has been engineered to assist Trump in any way....

Still, isn't it nice to see Wikileaks maintaining its 100% record of not releasing any stuff about Russia.

I imagine an assisted departure of the egotistical fraud on a plane to Sweden may well start to become tempting.

classycarra · « **Reply #763 on:** March 9, 2017, 08:47:42 pm »

Quote from: The Gulleysucker on March 9, 2017, 03:27:37 pm

Reuters reported earlier this morning that the US have been aware of the leak since late last year.

But perish the thought that the timing of this release by Wikileaks has been engineered to assist Trump in any way....

Still, isn't it nice to see Wikileaks maintaining its 100% record of not releasing any stuff about Russia.

I imagine an assisted departure of the egotistical fraud on a plane to Sweden may well start to become tempting.

He's already pissed off his hosts. I wouldn't surprise if he's on the verge of being evicted from within, particularly if (and when) the information on his latest collaborations with Trump and Putin are revealed. Noone is surprised he gets on with Frottage either, I'm sure

Red Beret · « **Reply #764 on:** March 9, 2017, 08:55:04 pm »

Quote from: Classycara on March 9, 2017, 08:47:42 pm

He's already pissed off his hosts. I wouldn't surprise if he's on the verge of being evicted from within

We can only hope. His proven bias in trying to wiggle out of the cleft he's made for himself shows he has a moral void. If he ever did this for the good of the common man then he's long since swapped that for a personal battle of survival, and he doesn't give a crap who he pulls down with him.

You could argue his beef is solely with the American "system", and he has a right to fight for his life and liberty using whatever tools he has available; but millions of ordinary Americans - from the working poor to the LGBT community to ethnic minorities - are getting caught in the crossfire, and he doesn't seem to give much of a damn about the collateral damage if it keeps his skin intact.

classycarra · « **Reply #765 on:** March 9, 2017, 10:49:42 pm »

Quote from: Red Beret on March 9, 2017, 08:55:04 pm

We can only hope. His proven bias in trying to wiggle out of the cleft he's made for himself shows he has a moral void. If he ever did this for the good of the common man then he's long since swapped that for a personal battle of survival, and he doesn't give a crap who he pulls down with him.

You could argue his beef is solely with the American "system", and he has a right to fight for his life and liberty using whatever tools he has available; but millions of ordinary Americans - from the working poor to the LGBT community to ethnic minorities - are getting caught in the crossfire, and he doesn't seem to give much of a damn about the collateral damage if it keeps his skin intact.

Personal battle for survival? Not sure I agree, unless you are referring to trying to avoid facing trial for the alleged crimes in Sweden. His beef seems to be predominantly with the Swedish system/rule of law.

The anti-american stuff is nothing new, and certainly not borne out of survival. He's always been that way inclined when at liberty, long before his self imposed stay at the embassy

Redman0151 · « **Reply #766 on:** March 9, 2017, 11:17:31 pm »

Quote from: downtown on March 8, 2017, 11:50:12 pm

It's so funny to see the socialists and liberals in full love with CIA these days. Talk about lacking any principles whatsoever.

We all knew the bastards watch us all the time, can hear us, and record our conversations many years ago (some people called it conspiracy theory)...

but two biggest revelations here are:
CIA has tools to remote control chips in cars, trucks, planes, medical devices and hospital tech with assassination potential.
With PROJECT UMBRAGE, CIA can leave "Digital Fingersprints" to direct suspicion of hacking to a different group or country.

CIA is the most evil organization in the world, and the biggest sponsor of chaos and terrorism in the world. As an Iranian, we have first hand experienced the consequences of their evil actions when they staged a coup to bring down one of the most loved and capable men in Iranian history in 1953. There are close to 80 other countries who've been adversely affected by CIA operations, coups, color revolutions, wars and proxies over the last 60 years. JFK knew CIA are scum and hated them and wanted to splinter "CIA into a thousand pieces", but sadly they killed him.

Have you got any evidence the CIA killed JFK? and grouping all liberals or socialists together is dumb

Red Beret · « **Reply #767 on:** March 10, 2017, 08:40:24 am »

Quote from: Classycara on March 9, 2017, 10:49:42 pm

Personal battle for survival? Not sure I agree, unless you are referring to trying to avoid facing trial for the alleged crimes in Sweden. His beef seems to be predominantly with the Swedish system/rule of law.

The anti-american stuff is nothing new, and certainly not borne out of survival. He's always been that way inclined when at liberty, long before his self imposed stay at the embassy

Yes, I am referring to his trying to avoid extradition. I've long held the opinion that as soon as he arrived in Sweden, he'd be taken into custody, the US would slap in an extradition, and the rape charges would be suddenly dropped.

As I see it, he saw Clinton as the establishment out to nail him. Trump was an ally. Now it's a broader battle for him against the US intelligence services in general. Whatever motivations he originally started out with have been replaced by a determination to fuck the US up any which way he can.

But now he's up against "professional" leakers who have access to sensitive information in real time. We'll see how he fares against them.

Red Beret · « **Reply #768 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:08:05 pm »

classycarra · « **Reply #769 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:11:21 pm »

Quote from: Red Beret on March 10, 2017, 08:40:24 am

Yes, I am referring to his trying to avoid extradition. I've long held the opinion that as soon as he arrived in Sweden, he'd be taken into custody, the US would slap in an extradition, and the rape charges would be suddenly dropped.

As I see it, he saw Clinton as the establishment out to nail him. Trump was an ally. Now it's a broader battle for him against the US intelligence services in general. Whatever motivations he originally started out with have been replaced by a determination to fuck the US up any which way he can.

But now he's up against "professional" leakers who have access to sensitive information in real time. We'll see how he fares against them.

I fundamentally disagree with your conclusion.

Assange's issues with Clinton (and the Obama government) precedes his actions with the women in Sweden. (n.b. while a trial has yet to take place, his solicitors have made some statements agreeing certain actions of his as fact)

This article from a former colleague shows his issues with Clinton are political, and not only because of his facing trial in Sweden.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-what-i-learned-about-julian-assange?utm_term=.rmRM4waMV#.abvBDn1BK

The extradition view is a long discredited one. It is much easier to be extradited to the US from here than it is in Sweden. It's just a useful conspiracy theory to excuse him not following the rule of law that the rest of us are required to.

I don't disagree with the assertion that he is anti-west. That has been evident for some time, again by his actions and that of his organisation, prior to the allegations in Sweden.

Red Beret · « **Reply #770 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:22:00 pm »

Quote from: Classycara on March 10, 2017, 03:11:21 pm

I fundamentally disagree with your conclusion.

Assange's issues with Clinton (and the Obama government) precedes his actions with the women in Sweden. (n.b. while a trial has yet to take place, his solicitors have made some statements agreeing certain actions of his as fact)

This article from a former colleague shows his issues with Clinton are political, and not only because of his facing trial in Sweden.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-what-i-learned-about-julian-assange?utm_term=.rmRM4waMV#.abvBDn1BK

The extradition view is a long discredited one. It is much easier to be extradited to the US from here than it is in Sweden. It's just a useful conspiracy theory to excuse him not following the rule of law that the rest of us are required to.

I don't disagree with the assertion that he is anti-west. That has been evident for some time, again by his actions and that of his organisation, prior to the allegations in Sweden.

Well I don't disagree with your opinion on my conclusion. I'll read the link when I have some time.

I would say his grudge would naturally precede the Sweden incident though - I imagine that's what motivated him to do the leaks in the first place; and it's why some argue the rape charges were brought. At the very least though, he's broken UK law by jumping bail, so he's still screwed even if Sweden drops the charges.

cloggypop · « **Reply #771 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:42:55 pm »

Quote from: Classycara on March 10, 2017, 03:11:21 pm

The extradition view is a long discredited one. It is much easier to be extradited to the US from here than it is in Sweden.

Are you in Ecuador?

classycarra · « **Reply #772 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:53:52 pm »

Quote from: cloggypop on March 10, 2017, 03:42:55 pm

Are you in Ecuador?

Good point

Closer to Knightsbridge than that!

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #773 on:** April 3, 2017, 12:34:10 am »

Exit polls in Ecuador are suggesting that Guillermo Lasso will win the Ecuadorian election. One of his promises is to kick Julian Assange out of the Ecuadorian embassy within 30 days (ABC News)

JohnnoWhite · « **Reply #774 on:** April 3, 2017, 01:42:39 am »

Dearie me - whatever floats your boat alright. An appalling outcome for the principled opponents of US global control this is. I could embellish but what would be the point?

cloggypop · « **Reply #775 on:** April 3, 2017, 01:51:06 am »

Quote from: rafathegaffa83 on April 3, 2017, 12:34:10 am

Exit polls in Ecuador are suggesting that Guillermo Lasso will win the Ecuadorian election. One of his promises is to kick Julian Assange out of the Ecuadorian embassy within 30 days (ABC News)

@wikileaks: With 91.08% of the vote counted in the Ecuadorian election @Lenin leads @LassoGuillermo 51.05 to 48.95%

Jiminy Cricket · « **Reply #776 on:** April 3, 2017, 03:27:28 am »

Quote from: JohnnoWhite on April 3, 2017, 01:42:39 am

Dearie me - whatever floats your boat alright. An appalling outcome for the principled opponents of US global control this is. I could embellish but what would be the point?

I can only assume that you refer to 'Assange' when you write 'principled'. That makes no sense. I am all for holding the feet of secret services to the fire, but if you think Assange does anything for the greater good, you are deluded. There was a time (many years ago) where I thought Wikileaks had a useful purpose. But Assange was long ago abandoned by those close to him at Wikileaks - I'd say for good reason. It is painfully obvious that he had happily played along with Putin's efforts to sabotage the US elections; and only in the past few weeks, Assange has (recklessly) leaked CIA methods/tools (in detail) to all and sundry. You do not have to be 'pro CIA' and all that it does to realise that Assange is dangerous, and no, not in a good way. Sometimes you have to picks the lesser of two evils; Assange and his supporters seem to favour Putin et al. I think it safe to assume that we are totally unaware of 99% of what national security agencies from across the globe get up to, day in, day out. It seems that you have picked your side. In-fucking-credible.

Anyway, it seems that Assange is safe for now. Lenín Moreno won the Ecuadorian election.

Alan_X · « **Reply #777 on:** April 3, 2017, 05:57:01 am »

Quote from: downtown on March 8, 2017, 11:50:12 pm

JFK knew CIA are scum and hated them and wanted to splinter "CIA into a thousand pieces", but sadly they killed him.

Proof?... Oh... there isn't any.

The CIA in the past was responsible for some bad things but they weren't responsible for half of things that conspiracy theorists claim they were.

JFK is a useful litmus test for a number of reasons: the event was over fifty years ago; the conspiracies were based on incomplete evidence and misunderstanding/misrepresentation of the evidence; the influence of Oliver Stone's JFK; and the comprehensive debunking of the conspiracy theories including 'back-and-to-the-left', 'the shooter on the grassy knoll', 'the magic bullet' and so on.

And that debunking is not up for debate - the evidence is incontrovertible. There was no need for a 'magic bullet' once you understand the car, the seating positions and direction that the shots came from; and 'back-and-to-the-left' shows no understanding of ballistics and the way bullets actually impact on human bone and tissue.

If you believe in the JFK conspiracy it shows you care more about some narrative than facts.

Alan_X · « **Reply #778 on:** April 3, 2017, 06:05:48 am »

Quote from: downtown on March 8, 2017, 11:50:12 pm

...CIA has tools to remote control chips in cars, trucks, planes, medical devices and hospital tech with assassination potential.
With PROJECT UMBRAGE, CIA can leave "Digital Fingersprints" to direct suspicion of hacking to a different group or country.

CIA is the most evil organization in the world, and the biggest sponsor of chaos and terrorism in the world....

In which case it must be obvious to you that Assange is a CIA shill. You've just fallen for the double/triple bluff. If the CIA is all-powerful and the most evil organization in the world with the capability to listen to everything, control everything and leave fake digital fingerprints everywhere there's no way Assange could have done the things he claims... right?...

TepidT2O · « **Reply #779 on:** April 3, 2017, 07:27:17 am »

In other news... There's an election in Ecuador...

If it goes the wrong way, then Julian is getting turfed out of the embassy ..

Oh dear...

Caligula? · « **Reply #780 on:** April 21, 2017, 06:15:52 pm »

Oh dear, Julian. The US has now prepared charges to seek out his arrest. Looks like his buddy Trump has turned on him.

Seems as if he'll spend the rest of his life in the Ecuadorian embassy or in a max-security federal prison in the US. Good on the c*nt.

[new username under construction] · « **Reply #781 on:** April 21, 2017, 08:57:43 pm »

Quote from: Dyno-Rod on April 3, 2017, 07:27:17 am

If it goes the wrong way

Back and to the left?

Corkboy · « **Reply #782 on:** May 19, 2017, 12:37:58 pm »

Well, well...

Julian Assange: Sweden drops rape investigation

At a press briefing on Friday, Ms Ny said that by remaining in the embassy in London Mr Assange had evaded the exercise of the European Arrest Warrant (EAW) that would have seen him extradited to Sweden.

She said: "According to Swedish legislation, a criminal investigation is to be conducted as quickly as possible. In order to proceed with the case, Julian Assange would have to be formally notified of the criminal suspicions against him.

"We cannot expect to receive assistance from Ecuador regarding this. Therefore the investigation is discontinued."

But she added: "If he were to return to Sweden before the statute of limitation on this case expires in August 2020, the preliminary investigation could be resumed."

She said it was "regrettable we have not been able to carry out the investigation", and added: "We are not making any pronouncement about guilt."

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #783 on:** May 19, 2017, 12:45:04 pm »

It's a trick. It would be so typical of the Jews. Watch it Julian.

Libertine · « **Reply #784 on:** May 19, 2017, 01:04:34 pm »

He still skipped bail which I think carries a one year sentence.

Either that or deport the fascist scum.

bigbonedrawky · « **Reply #785 on:** May 19, 2017, 05:36:19 pm »

Quote from: Libertine on May 19, 2017, 01:04:34 pm

He still skipped bail which I think carries a one year sentence.

Either that or deport the fascist scum.

I know he publishes leaks regarding war-crimes, torture, state surveillance and all sorts of things that might be seen as the hallmarks of fascist governments...But why do you think he's fascist scum ?

GreatEx · « **Reply #786 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:37:30 am »

Well, since most of his recent activity has been to the benefit of fascists - Putin, Trump*, Frottage, Le Pen - it would be easy to lump him in with them. But his true beliefs are "Me Me Me Me Me" with a healthy dose of anti-American infantilism (sic), and the fascists are just a means to an end.

* you could argue that Trump belongs in the same category as Assange.

Caligula? · « **Reply #787 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:56:05 am »

Quote from: bigbonedrawky on May 19, 2017, 05:36:19 pm

I know he publishes leaks regarding war-crimes, torture, state surveillance and all sorts of things that might be seen as the hallmarks of fascist governments...But why do you think he's fascist scum ?

Because he is. He was in bed with the Russians in order to influence the American elections. At best, he had a personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton due to her actions as Sec. of State and so he benefitted Trump with the timed leaks for no reasons other than his own personal satisfaction, not giving a fuck about the terror that he'd unleash millions of people in not just the USA but around the world by having that monster elected. What he started may have been noble, but that nobility died off a long time ago. It's always been about him, it's always been about his interests and it continues to be just about him. His ego is no less the size of Trump's, and in all honesty it wouldn't have been so bad if he had remained in that embassy for a bit more. Or longer.

lorenzo · « **Reply #788 on:** May 20, 2017, 10:51:19 am »

Quote from: Caligula? on May 20, 2017, 02:56:05 am

Because he is. He was in bed with the Russians in order to influence the American elections. At best, he had a personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton due to her actions as Sec. of State and so he benefitted Trump with the timed leaks for no reasons other than his own personal satisfaction, not giving a fuck about the terror that he'd unleash millions of people in not just the USA but around the world by having that monster elected. What he started may have been noble, but that nobility died off a long time ago. It's always been about him, it's always been about his interests and it continues to be just about him. His ego is no less the size of Trump's, and in all honesty it wouldn't have been so bad if he had remained in that embassy for a bit more. Or longer.

This reminds me of DNC loving Comey to hating him, to loving him again when he gets sacked. People are so thickly they only seem to want to be a critic of people when its not in there interest. I couldn't careless for the man.

Kenny's Jacket · « **Reply #789 on:** May 20, 2017, 11:16:31 am »

Quote from: Caligula? on May 20, 2017, 02:56:05 am

Because he is. He was in bed with the Russians in order to influence the American elections.

Neither of those things are proven though. Did Russia rig the Primaries too?

Id say exposing torture and war crimes would make him quite the liberal.

Assange, from Memory, is guilty of Hacking and breaking bail conditions. He just comes across as a bit of a self important knob who probably started out with good intentions and now buys into his own hype. That doesn't make him a fascist though.

Cliff Bastin · « **Reply #790 on:** May 20, 2017, 11:42:15 am »

Trump didn't need the Russians to beat Hillary Clinton. I find it odd how people still think he needed Russia to beat one of the most unpopular Democratic candidates in history to become President. She was tailor made for Trump and his campaign. The perfect recipe for him to win. Calling Assange a fascist with no evidence to suggest that is just hyperbole.

From what I have seen what he did was release information on US crimes involving civilians deaths from things such as drone strikes etc.

classycarra · « **Reply #791 on:** May 20, 2017, 12:27:51 pm »

Quote from: Kenny's Jacket on May 20, 2017, 11:16:31 am

Neither of those things are proven though. Did Russia rig the Primaries too?

Id say exposing torture and war crimes would make him quite the liberal.

Assange, from Memory, is guilty of Hacking and breaking bail conditions. He just comes across as a bit of a self important knob who probably started out with good intentions and now buys into his own hype. That doesn't make him a fascist though.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2012/03/belarus-assange-lukashenko

so liberal!

Garrus · « **Reply #792 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:02:22 pm »

Quote from: lorenzo on May 20, 2017, 10:51:19 am

This reminds me of DNC loving Comey to hating him, to loving him again when he gets sacked. People are so thickly they only seem to want to be a critic of people when its not in there interest. I couldn't careless for the man.

I don't think anyone loves Comey. Him announcing an investigation into what turned out to be nothing a week before the election was irresponsible. Trump kicking him out while he's being investigated is irresponsible too.

I don't see why they are inconsistent positions.

stevensr123 · « **Reply #793 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:07:10 pm »

Releasing infor on the corruption of the DNC and Hillary was not wrong. I don't really see how people can defend the corruption that was going on there to be honest. And Hillary should never have stood anything.

Half of her own party seemed to hate her, she was a terrible choice and it stinks of massive hypocrisy.

The problem is a Assange has taken the platform of Wikileaks that should be in partial and about truth and justice, and has made it political and about his own views.

The whole rape thing though just stunk as a set up though to be honest.

B0151? · « **Reply #794 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:13:11 pm »

Quote from: stevensr123 on May 20, 2017, 02:07:10 pm

The whole rape thing though just stunk as a set up though to be honest.

The whole 'rape as a set up' just stunk of someone avoiding a rape charge to be honest.

stevensr123 · « **Reply #795 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:27:09 pm »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on May 20, 2017, 02:13:11 pm

The whole 'rape as a set up' just stunk of someone avoiding a rape charge to be honest.

i thought there was text messages released basically outlining the fact the woman in question basically only wanted him to take an STD test and she sent a text message to her friend saying she was shocked they wanted to prosecute him ? and it was the police and politicians that wanted to pursue charges?

Either way it just screamed of America putting the pressure on another country. You sometimes forget how the CIA have worked in the past and still do.

conman · « **Reply #796 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:27:56 pm »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on May 20, 2017, 02:13:11 pm

The whole 'rape as a set up' just stunk of someone avoiding a rape charge to be honest.

No one can really be sure, but the timing is highly suspect.

I agree what ^^ Stephen says above.

The problem with Assange, is that he has made all this about him. So no matter how much good he does, or wikileaks does in exposing corruption, collusion, war crimes, etc. The conversation always comes back to him, which takes the heat off those that Wikileaks are rightfully exposing.

conman · « **Reply #797 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:30:56 pm »

Quote from: stevensr123 on May 20, 2017, 02:27:09 pm

i thought there was text messages released basically outlining the fact the woman in question basically only wanted him to take an STD test and she sent a text message to her friend saying she was shocked they wanted to prosecute him ? and it was the police and politicians that wanted to pursue charges?

Either way it just screamed of America putting the pressure on another country. You sometimes forget how the CIA have worked in the past and still do.

The same CIA that frequently meddle with other countries affairs & overturn governments, who are then outrages that Russia has the audacity to (supposedly) do it to them.

B0151? · « **Reply #798 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:43:14 pm »

Quote from: stevensr123 on May 20, 2017, 02:27:09 pm

i thought there was text messages released basically outlining the fact the woman in question basically only wanted him to take an STD test and she sent a text message to her friend saying she was shocked they wanted to prosecute him ? and it was the police and politicians that wanted to pursue charges?

Either way it just screamed of America putting the pressure on another country. You sometimes forget how the CIA have worked in the past and still do.

Have you not read about Assange? He is definitely a creep. There was a documentary with footage of him saying that this was actually a 'radical feminist conspiracy' and one of the female accusers has no credibility because she founded Gothenberg's largest lesbian nightclub. The woman who was still pressing charges (in spite of all the shit she's been through) has been shocked by this decision:

Quote

A lawyer representing the woman, who met the WikiLeaks founder at a 2010 conference in Stockholm, said that claimant's view was that no decision to end the case “can make her change that Assange exposed her to rape”.

Elisabeth Fritz said: “It is a scandal that a suspected rapist can disregard the judiciary and thus avoid trial."

What's in it for her? Why Sweden when the US would have it easier securing extradition from here?

B0151? · « **Reply #799 on:** May 20, 2017, 02:57:30 pm »

Even from a conspiratorial stance then it would make more sense that the plot was to tarnish his name not as a process for extradition.

I guess the valiant Assange struggling against capture from an all powerful ever present US machine fits into the narrative better. Allows people to completely ignore someone potentially being the victim of sexual assault.

Assange shouldn't be above the law just because America is bad and you agree with things he's done