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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #120 on: October 30, 2010, 01:47:20 PM »
that worries me greatly also, as well as his admittance that perception of massive debt is different in the US

Debt per se in a business context is not a bad thing. All successful businesses have debt of some sort and of varying levels. The key is the ratio of debt. In a normal business (though it depends on the industry) roughy about 60% equity (capital) to 40% debt. In terms of football clubs I dont think a ratio this high would be suitable, probably somewhere in the region of 80% equity to 20% debt.

Debt is seen a goodway of investing without eating into cash reserves enbaling cash to be invested into other aspects of the business, it all depends on the projected return of the way the debt is invested in the business. Cash reserves or cash flow is the key to any business. Using debt to buy players (short term) incould be considered bad, but when used for long term assets such as buildings (stadium) facilities etc, things that will bring longterm benefit and increased income streams it can be considered good (prudent).

A business can be highly profitable but if it doesnt have sufficent cash flow they go bankrupt and many profitable business go under by not having sufficent cash available, this is how LFC ran into trouble.

The debt in broad terms was never the problem at LFC. It was the amount or ratio of debt that caused the problem. Under G&H our debt to equity ratio was 0% equity to 100% debt. Any business in any industry is doomed to failure under that business model.

The moral of the story is dont be frightend by the club having some debt, it's perfectly normal. If its managed prudently it's actuall highly benifical to the club in terms of growth, investment and profitablity.
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« Reply #121 on: October 30, 2010, 01:47:34 PM »
Well done to all involved. well done to Mr Henry for engaging with the fans. Well done to RAWK and the Campaigns, without which we wouldn't be in this position.

Let's hope the club moves forward relatively quickly now.
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« Reply #122 on: October 30, 2010, 01:50:05 PM »
Debt is pretty much essential in business. Having flexibility and credit lines allows you to do things that will pay off later rather than miss opportunities because you don't happen to have enough cash right now.

We tremble when we hear the word because of the staggeringly inept greed of the last lot. They were get-rich-quick merchants whose gamble failed.

Liverpool will not become winners again in the modern football world without borrowing something to invest - the stadium, as others have written, is a good example.

EDIT: Ooops. Kenny Red explained far better while I was writing.

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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #123 on: October 30, 2010, 01:57:53 PM »
All I can say is that this is a great start. Well done to all of those involved in keeping the line of communication open and taking the time to keep us informed. I sense a bright future for LFC!   

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« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2010, 02:10:11 PM »
I just hope and believe he can walk the walk as well =)
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #125 on: October 30, 2010, 02:11:00 PM »
Fantastic thread here, awaiting part 2 with great anticipation.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #126 on: October 30, 2010, 02:11:51 PM »
Under previous ownership it is natural for supporters to be sceptical concerning the new owners and in that watch over their every action with critisism at the ready.  We're still in the cradle day's of NESV's ownership and there has been no indication as of yet to loosen the claws of waryness.

That said, this interview does give a sign of hope.  John Henry does come across as an honest individual and in that tries to answer questions as truthfully as possible.  Just to give himself time to answer questions by users of a supporters forum shows his integrity and willingness to keep lines open in regards to communication with the supporters.  In that he is backing up his statements given in the beginning of his tenure to listen to them.

Good job all concerned in this and thanks to question makers, organisers, those responsible for communications and of course John W. Henry for taking time in answering.

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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #127 on: October 30, 2010, 02:18:50 PM »
This is no slight on Mr Henry or NESV, but I find it staggering that theres no contractual obligations stopping them from at some point in the future, loading the aquisition debt back onto the club.
Why?

Once somebody has bought an asset it is theirs.It is possible (in theory) to include a restrictive covenant, in practise it would probably have scuppered any sale.

Would you buy a house on the basis that you could NEVER remortgage for whatever reason?
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #128 on: October 30, 2010, 02:34:38 PM »
This is no slight on Mr Henry or NESV, but I find it staggering that theres no contractual obligations stopping them from at some point in the future, loading the aquisition debt back onto the club.
Why?

Once somebody has bought an asset it is theirs.It is possible (in theory) to include a restrictive covenant, in practise it would probably have scuppered any sale.

Would you buy a house on the bais that you could NEVER remortgage for whatever reason?

I'd say that just by mentioning it shows Henry's integrity in his answers.  And also agree with xerxes1 take on this.  But look also at his answer:

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5.  Is there a contractual commitment that non of the acquisition debt will be placed on the club?
No, none was needed.

I take the answer as that there's no intention of acquisition debt to be placed on club.  And in that we do have a point to come back to if that changes in the future but given he's a man of his word I have no quarrels to the contrary...yet.

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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #129 on: October 30, 2010, 02:39:15 PM »
I take the answer as that there's no intention of acquisition debt to be placed on club.  And in that we do have a point to come back to if that changes in the future but given he's a man of his word I have no quarrels to the contrary...yet.
I agree with that Ignito.I too believe that it is not NESV's intention.

We should remember that there are two future cash needs for the club. Firstly , reninvestment in the squad,and secondly the Stadium. That money is going to have to come from somewhere.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #130 on: October 30, 2010, 02:40:45 PM »
great interview & hopefully a closer line of communication can be established with the new owners & all the internet terrorists in the future. :P

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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #131 on: October 30, 2010, 02:42:15 PM »
Just got back from New York and although most New Yorkers hate the Red Sox they do respect the way the franchise is run and respect John W Henry as an individual and also NESV, it is also refreshing that John recognises RAWK and is willing to chat to us, rather than ignore us or insult us!
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #132 on: October 30, 2010, 02:46:52 PM »
Well done to all that got this organized and also to JWH for taking the time to reply.

I think once the financial fair play rules start we'll really begin to see what these guys are made of, I remember Robert kraft wasn't interested in the premier league cos it was just a money pit, with no wage cap and the concept of relegation, teams like city and chelsea taking this obscenity up a notch, and supporters who are incredibly passionate wanting their owners to outspend, it was just a bun fight with the biggest wallet winning.  Nesv will realise the necessity for the stadium regeneration, the untapped global brand of LFC,  but more importantly the protection of the FFP rules, that for me is the deal maker in all this.

I believe unlike our last owners these guys have the resources , expertise and the motivation to get us back to where we belong.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #133 on: October 30, 2010, 02:47:40 PM »
I take the answer as that there's no intention of acquisition debt to be placed on club.  And in that we do have a point to come back to if that changes in the future but given he's a man of his word I have no quarrels to the contrary...yet.

This was my thinking, this is not the way they have ever conducted their business dealings since they began and I doubt that they will start doing so with us.

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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #134 on: October 30, 2010, 02:58:42 PM »
The big point here I think is that he's responding at all. It's so refreshing to have someone willing to engage with us. The fact that what he's saying is so encouraging is also great, of course. I do like that he appreciates it'll be a lot of hard work and that the best way to go about it is to "be smart" about how money is spent. Most of us aren't looking for a quick fix, or big spending in January that will just paper over the cracks and leaving us in a bigger mess in a year's time, we know it will take time and he seems to as well.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #135 on: October 30, 2010, 03:31:39 PM »
enjoyed that. thanks for the communication with John Henry.

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« Reply #136 on: October 30, 2010, 03:39:43 PM »
Great work, thanks to everyone involved. It's invaluable that we know the character of JH to put our minds at rest.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #137 on: October 30, 2010, 03:51:49 PM »
It's a good start. I'm cautiously optimistic, but as ever, NESV will be judged on actions. They are here at a good time. The last owners were widely hated, and the team is in the relegation zone. The only way is up! One or two good decisions and a lot of upward momentum should be created.

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« Reply #138 on: October 30, 2010, 04:37:00 PM »
Hats off to all those involved behind this and especially to Mr.Henry for having the decency to engage in a willing conversation to address the concerns of the fans. The last time our owners interacted with a fan, it was to call him a f**kface. The difference in attitude and respect between NESV and the two tumours are indeed breathtaking. Like xerxes said, I'm now more cautiously optimistic about the future rather than sceptic. And once again, hats off to Martin Broughton for landing us such a classy individual as the owner.

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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #139 on: October 30, 2010, 04:38:35 PM »
As far as I'm concerned Mr. Henry is making all the right noises so far.

I especially liked the answer regarding our youth set up. I'm encouraged that he believes that this is the way forward, and I believe that our future transfer policy will reflect this. No more paying over the odds for thirty-something journeymen.

Thanks to those who arranged this, it's refreshing to have correspondence with an owner. It shows that at least they respect the fans, not view us with contempt like the other fuckwits. But then NESV do have a track record for engaging with the fans, afterall we are the lifeblood of the club.

Thanks also to JWH for taking the time out to answer our questions, it is much appreciated.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #140 on: October 30, 2010, 05:19:27 PM »
That £300 million has to have come from somewhere. The 'cash' has to have been sourced from somewhere, the equity taken out of some asset, somewhere along the line. He talks of NESV always having carried some debt. I'm just playing devils advocate here - What if theirs, or one of their primary investors' cirumstances were to change? What if there was another economic downturn 5 years down the line? What if there was a world war? Surely it would have been prudent having just come out of what we've come out of, to have something concrete put in place to ensure the club itself remained, for the most part, debt free.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #141 on: October 30, 2010, 05:32:03 PM »
Any ideas what he means by this?

We view stadiums as separate from clubs.  They are separate entities.
I think this makes sense - a stadium can serve a number of purposes, and be a profitable business in its own right.

I guess he's saying running a stadium complex and running a sports club are two very different and separate concepts.


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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2010, 05:32:54 PM »
Still cautiously optimistic... thanks to those who got the Questions to Mr. Henry and its impressive that he is taking the time to answer. Already i think its quite fair to say that he and NESV are a different class of ownership than what came before. Very positive stuff.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #143 on: October 30, 2010, 05:41:33 PM »
Very interestings stuff to read.

Well done, VdM!  :)

It's great to know that now we seem to have owners who really want to know what the fans thinking. Thank you, John W Henry and NESV!

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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #144 on: October 30, 2010, 08:34:09 PM »
Well done vdm and others,good read.

Like others I'm cautiously optimistic but actions speak louder than words.
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« Reply #145 on: October 30, 2010, 08:55:46 PM »
Wow .... It is beginning to slowly sink in: We really do have new owners, don't we?

Great work from the guys who put this together.

And no matter if it is Henry himself or some assistant doing the answers, it is a sign of openness and respect towards the fanbase, that they have taken the time to give some good answers.

We can give a 100%  guarantee that it wasn't an asistant that gave the answers.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #146 on: October 30, 2010, 10:02:31 PM »
We can give a 100%  guarantee that it wasn't an asistant that gave the answers.
Cheers for that Ray I missed that, but yes I can guarantee 100% that John Henry answered all them questions personally.
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« Reply #147 on: October 31, 2010, 12:02:42 AM »
Why were the first comments sent to him along the lines of 'you really don't have to spend anything just don't do a Hicks on us please'?

NESV aren't no sugar daddies that's clear as day but that shouldn't discourage us or them to want to invest significantly in the next two years or so to get to what is supposedly the common goal of the fans and NESV that is to 'challenge for trophies' which to be fair we're a million miles off at the moment.

We're not relegation standard but neither are we top 4 standard let alone challenge fir trophies. The priority at present has to be investment in the squad.

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« Reply #148 on: October 31, 2010, 12:12:14 AM »
We can give a 100%  guarantee that it wasn't an asistant that gave the answers.


Thanks Shanklyboy & SmithdownAndy.  Only makes me feel even better knowing that.

Results might not be going our way on the pitch, but what an immense relief to have people at the helm who seem to give a damn about the common LFC fans.

So far, with the answers, attitudes and all, I for one am impressed with our new owners :)
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #149 on: October 31, 2010, 12:22:50 AM »
Why were the first comments sent to him along the lines of 'you really don't have to spend anything just don't do a Hicks on us please'?

NESV aren't no sugar daddies that's clear as day but that shouldn't discourage us or them to want to invest significantly in the next two years or so to get to what is supposedly the common goal of the fans and NESV that is to 'challenge for trophies' which to be fair we're a million miles off at the moment.

We're not relegation standard but neither are we top 4 standard let alone challenge fir trophies. The priority at present has to be investment in the squad.
To be fair he has only answered questions 1 - 9 so far out of 23, he's a busy man and he has promised to finish off all the questions in time, the questions where in groups, I'm sure further down the line there will be answers to your points. I'm also pretty certain there will be investment in the squad over the next 2 transfer windows.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #150 on: October 31, 2010, 02:09:07 AM »
I guess the debt being talked about as good for the club is a way around paying massive dividends to the potentially biggest creditor (HRMC).  ;D

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« Reply #151 on: October 31, 2010, 08:57:32 AM »
Why were the first comments sent to him along the lines of 'you really don't have to spend anything just don't do a Hicks on us please'?

NESV aren't no sugar daddies that's clear as day but that shouldn't discourage us or them to want to invest significantly in the next two years or so to get to what is supposedly the common goal of the fans and NESV that is to 'challenge for trophies' which to be fair we're a million miles off at the moment.

We're not relegation standard but neither are we top 4 standard let alone challenge fir trophies. The priority at present has to be investment in the squad.

The comments were those left by people who contributed to the thread asking for questions.  If you had contributed then maybe your comment would have been chosen.

As Andy says, there are 14 questions to go and some of them address the issue of the squad and investment in it.
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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #152 on: October 31, 2010, 11:21:55 AM »
Really liking the cut of this guy's jib.  I also agree we shouldn't ask him about the manager.  He's a man smarter than most of us and will almost certainly not have him as part of LFC's long term future plans.
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« Reply #153 on: October 31, 2010, 12:34:04 PM »
Excellent work  :-)

Cautiously optimistic, though time will tell as they continue to remain tight-lipped about net transfer spend and the new stadium.

- Definitely looking forward to Part 2! No matter how 'intelligent' we are in the market, if we continue with H&G's sell-to-buy policy of recent years we:

a) will lose our best players;
b) won't have a chance of top 4 let alone winning the league;
c) will find it very hard to attract new stars.

- Having hoemmorraged fortunes into the new stadium it remains a no-brainer, especially considering the dillapidated state of the local area and its proposed regeneration (and 1000 new jobs). This fantastic club deserves at long last to finally see the famous 'spade' break ground and a state of the art new stadium with some breathing space around it.

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We view stadiums as separate from clubs.  They are separate entities.

I'm slightly wary about this, as my understanding (correct me if wrong) is that the whole point of building one is to ultimately increase revenue to levels that enable THE CLUB to be able to compete with the likes of Arsenal etc. In a nutshell I guess what I don't want to see is a new stadium becoming a seperate cash cow company of little or no benefit to on-field ambitions, that could be sold on later as a stripped asset.

- On a more positive note, I'd rather see no promises than false ones and this character seems to conduct himself in a way we've been missing for some time.

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Re: The John W Henry Interview - Part One
« Reply #154 on: October 31, 2010, 01:56:16 PM »
but does he realise he's negotiating with terrorists :D

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« Reply #155 on: November 1, 2010, 04:31:58 PM »
Just read this interesting answers from good questions. Interested to read more.
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« Reply #156 on: November 1, 2010, 11:16:44 PM »
Quality work, VdeM.

 


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« Reply #159 on: November 2, 2010, 01:20:43 PM »
Great work VDM, good to know that they used RAWK for this.
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