Topic: Jermaine Pennant

[Madigano]

good attitude and a good lad, honest guvenor, an that'll be £4m to you mate, how would you like to pay

Dya reckon we would get 4mil for him??

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

Lucky to get 3, IMO.

[LFCfan4Life]

Lucky to get 3, IMO.

in january with him able to talk to anyone he wants for a free move in the summer

very mate very

[harrytrow]

Dya reckon we would get 4mil for him??

No not at all. was just highlightin a scene of a second hand car salesman

[Juan Loco]

Says it all that not even Newcastle or West Ham will touch him.

Come on Ince, do the right thing, buy the tit.

[Raul!]

What a flippin' idiot.

[Don White]

What a flippin' idiot.

Just sour grapes me says.  Sly said he had a dig a Dirk.
Maybe that's why he mentioned the robot. Dirk is a robot that works on Duracell 

[RedMichelFerri]

Just sour grapes me says.  Sly said he had a dig a Dirk.
Maybe that's why he mentioned the robot. Dirk is a robot that works on Duracell 

Definitely had dig at Dirk but if he had 0.001% of Dirk's intelligence, he would have been a successful player.

[rocco]

Pennant is spot on about the Robot comments ask Crouch

[Jack Slater]

The Dutchman's progress up the Liverpool goal chart is timely given the criticism that came his way this weekend from Jermaine Pennant, of all people. The undistinguished winger, now of Real Zaragoza, blamed Benítez's methodical approach for his own failure at Anfield, adding that the £10m spent on Kuyt ensured he was always guaranteed a first-team place. "I will not talk too much about what he said," Benítez responded last night. "Kuyt can do his talking on the pitch. His record is out there. I don't need to say anything else."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/29/dirk-kuyt-liverpool-champions-league

Pennant's played under Wenger and Benitez, who both let him ago.

Apparently that their fault, not his   

[maqu006]

And to think that so many fans wanted Pennant to be given more chances in the first team...Pennant does not help defensively and is extremely inneffective going forward. His only positive is his crossing but unless you have someone like Crouch up front Pennant is useless. No goals, no penetration in the box, little flair. Just dribble and cross, dribble and cross, dribble and cross...

[KurtVerbose]

It was Pennant who decided he'd rather sit on the sidelines than move. We had offers he just wouldn't go.

Turned out to be a very expensive deal for us, where as similar players (Crouch, Bellamy) have been moved on at a profit.

[rafabenihill]

expensive mistake by rafa this signing..
hope rafa can learn from this

[KurtVerbose]

expensive mistake by rafa this signing..
hope rafa can learn from this

Rafa made the assumption that if he didn't play he'd want to move on and we'd get some money for him. This worked for Crouch and Bellamy. Guess Rafa just didn't understand the mentality of the player - but then who does. He's nuts.

[Dr Cornwallis]

Kuyt costing £10m had no bearing on YOU costing £7m.

[MrGrumpy]

Pennant wanted to be a really really good winger but was not and was not prepared to modify his all round game to make up for this. His outburst is just sour grapes.

Derek Kaut is not the worlds best winger or striker but his all round game is vastly better than Pennants.

[Don White]

Derek Kaut is not the worlds best winger or striker but his all round game is vastly better than Pennants.

Maybe not the world's best but all i know is last year he scored as much as shrek and more than recognized strikers like ade and RVP
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics/0,,12306,00.html

[Greg]

expensive mistake by rafa this signing..
hope rafa can learn from this

You sound like you should be on TalkSport.

When did we sign Pennant? 2006 was it? And to question whether Rafa will learn from it? Dear me. Has he made any worse signings since? Maybe you can answer your own patronising question?

[Eeyore]

Maybe if Pennant wasn't such a retard and could actually think for himself then he wouldn't of needed instructions all the time. The idea is when someone with the knowledge of a Wenger or Benitez tells you something it is supposed to stick. They shouldn't have to repeat it over and over again unless you are a brainless twat who thinks you know better.

[desikasanova]

What a fucking nob. Where are you now Pennant?

[sinnermichael]

It's hardly surprising.

2 years ago I remember an interview with Ricardo Quaresma when he said that a main reason he turned down the opportunity to join us was because Rafa had explained to him that he wanted him to play in a certain way and a different style than his natural one he was playing at Porto at the time.

[Red Bird]

It's hardly surprising.

2 years ago I remember an interview with Ricardo Quaresma when he said that a main reason he turned down the opportunity to join us was because Rafa had explained to him that he wanted him to play in a certain way and a different style than his natural one he was playing at Porto at the time.

And where is Ricardo Quaresma, now, I wonder?

[otitito]

What a fucking nob. Where are you now Pennant?

Enjoying sunny Spain spending his Euros, I guess.

[rafabenihill]

You sound like you should be on TalkSport.

When did we sign Pennant? 2006 was it? And to question whether Rafa will learn from it? Dear me. Has he made any worse signings since? Maybe you can answer your own patronising question?

and where do i come across as patronising?
no matter how good you are, there is always room for improvement and hopefully rafa will sign more torres, reina than pennant, bellamy etc..

[Jack Slater]

and where do i come across as patronising?
no matter how good you are, there is always room for improvement and hopefully rafa will sign more torres, reina than pennant, bellamy etc..

OK.  So the lesson is to sign players who do well, and not to sign players who dont do well.

If only Rafa had realised that sooner.

[Greg]

It's patronising to say "hope rafa can learn from this". As if you think he's a decent manager but you know better than him when it comes to what players he should sign.

Didn't we make money on Bellamy? Do you think he's such a bad player? Why bracket him with Pennant? Now that is a TalkSport type comment.

My back to my previous point... since Rafa signed Pennant in the summer of 2006, do you think he's made any bad signings? Do you think he's learning from his mistakes or are you still not sure?

[Jack Slater]

It's hardly surprising.

2 years ago I remember an interview with Ricardo Quaresma when he said that a main reason he turned down the opportunity to join us was because Rafa had explained to him that he wanted him to play in a certain way and a different style than his natural one he was playing at Porto at the time.

So that was a good result for all concerned then.  Rafa told him what he'd want, and he said he didnt want to do it (or else thought he couldnt).

I assume that Rafa had a similar conversation with Pennant, and Pennant told Rafa that he'd be happy to play as instructed.  Either he was less honest than Quaresma, or less aware of his own limitations.

[AMP]

Please explain why 5 pages have been wasted on this guy?

[rafabenihill]

OK.  So the lesson is to sign players who do well, and not to sign players who dont do well.

If only Rafa had realised that sooner.

now thats patronising

[rafabenihill]

It's patronising to say "hope rafa can learn from this". As if you think he's a decent manager but you know better than him when it comes to what players he should sign.

Didn't we make money on Bellamy? Do you think he's such a bad player? Why bracket him with Pennant? Now that is a TalkSport type comment.

My back to my previous point... since Rafa signed Pennant in the summer of 2006, do you think he's made any bad signings? Do you think he's learning from his mistakes or are you still not sure?

yes i think bellamy was a bad signing and we got to make a profit cos he came to us on the cheap..
can i mention babel or will that once again incur your wrath?

[Greg]

now thats patronising

No it's not, it's sarcasm. You're not having a good day.

[rafabenihill]

No it's not, it's sarcasm. You're not having a good day.

it was meant to be sarcasm btw..
thanks for explaining

[Greg]

yes i think bellamy was a bad signing and we got to make a profit cos he came to us on the cheap..
can i mention babel or will that once again incur your wrath?

He was pretty cheap, but he was no disaster. But if you make a profit on someone, how can they be a flop?

As for Babel, I agree he's been disappointing. But do you blame Rafa for that? Babel looked a good player in his first season and seems to have gone backwards.

All managers make signings that do not make it. Ferguson spent £28m on Veron, £30m on Anderson and Nani, £30.75m on Berbatov. £17m on Valencia. Has he learnt from his mistakes?

Wenger spent £10m on Jeffers. Mourinho spent £13m on Ferreira and £21m on SWP. Chelsea also bought Mutu for £22m. Did they all learn from their mistakes?

As Jack Slater says, managers don't know how the players are going to be. Just like you don't. But they have a better idea than most.

[KurtVerbose]

and where do i come across as patronising?
no matter how good you are, there is always room for improvement and hopefully rafa will sign more torres, reina than pennant, bellamy etc..

I'm not trying to be insulting, but that comment really strikes me as ignorant.

When Rafa arrived, apart from Gerrard and Sami/Carra, who was any good? Almost the whole team needed replacing, and on a budget of approx £10m per year. Rafa had a strategy of buying players who wouldn't win the premiership but would do a job and he could make a profit on, which is why I grouped Bellamy, Crouch and Pennant together.

We paid over the odds on Pennant, Rafa admitted it at the time, but we needed a right winger and not many were available. The only 'fault', if you can call it that, that Rafa made is thinking Pennant would agree to be sold rather than sit on the bench and wind his contract down.

It really is gauling that people don't appreciate how shrewd Rafa has been to get us where we are. Do you really think he'd rather buy Pennant than better wingers if he had the money?

[WorldChampions]

Exactly, he didn't have to chance to go out and buy top players right away like managers do at city and chelsea. He had to prove his worth by buying and using cheaper inferior players as stop gaps, while at the same time trying to build up a decent sized budget to enable him to buy players like Torres.


Not easy, especially considering the boardroom shite while he has been at the club.

[Bobilino]

Poor, poor buy. For a manager as meticulous as Rafa, I'm surprised he wasn't put off by the player's background and character - even with the lack of money and wing options available to him. The lad was always a waster.

[Greg]

I'm not trying to be insulting, but that comment really strikes me as ignorant.

You are correct - it was ignorant and showed a complete lack of understanding and appreciation of the job Rafa has done.

Hope rafabenihill can learn from this.

[rafabenihill]

pennant is a bad buy, no?
can rafa improve although he is already good? yes

why is rawk such a complicated place?

[macca888]

It's patronising to say "hope rafa can learn from this". As if you think he's a decent manager but you know better than him when it comes to what players he should sign.

Didn't we make money on Bellamy? Do you think he's such a bad player? Why bracket him with Pennant? Now that is a TalkSport type comment.

My back to my previous point... since Rafa signed Pennant in the summer of 2006, do you think he's made any bad signings? Do you think he's learning from his mistakes or are you still not sure?

Well he won't be signing Robbie Keane again in a hurry Greg   


Anyway, close the thread or move it to the "General Sport And Hasbeens And Neverwillbe" thread please Mods. Gobshite of a lad and a waste of LFC main thread space.

[Greg]

Poor, poor buy. For a manager as meticulous as Rafa, I'm surprised he wasn't put off by the player's background and character - even with the lack of money and wing options available to him. The lad was always a waster.

Bellamy had a similar character profile to Pennant though, was it a mistake to buy him as well?