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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #80 on: September 15, 2015, 04:39:48 am »
Marcotti's thoughts: "Roberto Firmino does many of the things Coutinho can do and was supposed to be Liverpool's big summer signing, along with Christian Benteke.

Conventional wisdom would suggest you'd put your best players in positions where they can exact maximum damage which, in Firmino's case, is between the lines, with players running off him. We've seen little of that."
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2015, 05:06:01 am »
Bob Firmy will come good. Trust me people. Trust me. I said trust me. Fucking trust me!!

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2015, 05:23:18 am »
The way things are going, there's one Firmino piece, being fitted into a few jigsaw puzzles. 

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #83 on: September 17, 2015, 06:51:55 am »
Bob Firmy will come good. Trust me people. Trust me. I said trust me. Fucking trust me!!

Sorry I need to calm down.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2015, 07:32:42 am »
Bob Firmy will come good. Trust me people. Trust me. I said trust me. Fucking trust me!!

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2015, 07:37:24 am »
Play him.in his actual position and there's a player there.


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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2015, 08:22:01 am »
He (and all the other attackers bar Benteke) is being played too far away from goal.
If we were solid then it would be worth it but we aren't so what's the point?
Needs to be as close to Benteke as possible.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2015, 11:41:11 am »
I think he was poor at Old Trafford. He's out of position but it was the basics he was getting wrong; wanting too much time on the ball, giving it away cheaply. Certainly not writing him off though and I thought he did fairly well at Arsenal. With the likes of Torres, Alonso, Suarez, those big signings shone immediately and you saw what huge talents they were from their first game. Not quite got that with Firmino yet but hopefully it's just a bedding in process. Thing is, for the money we paid for him, we need him to deliver. You don't pay 30 million and hope he gets better as the season goes on.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2015, 01:54:05 pm »
The correct position for him is the same as Coutinho, I'm not sure how we get them both on the pitch at the same time.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2015, 01:55:20 pm »
The correct position for him is the same as Coutinho, I'm not sure how we get them both on the pitch at the same time.


One at the bottom of the diamond and 1 at the tip of the diamond

       Firmino

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Firmino can score goals and provide assists.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #90 on: September 17, 2015, 02:00:49 pm »
One at the bottom of the diamond and 1 at the tip of the diamond

       Firmino

LM               RM

      Coutinho

Firmino can score goals and provide assists.
Wouldn't mind seeing that tried.  Not convinced it would work, mind.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #91 on: September 17, 2015, 02:01:17 pm »
Play him.in his actual position and there's a player there.



I'm sure there is, but the problem is that his best position is also Coutinho's best position.  How do we get them both in the same team?  Does anyone know how Brazil managed it during the summer?

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #92 on: September 17, 2015, 02:01:19 pm »
The correct position for him is the same as Coutinho, I'm not sure how we get them both on the pitch at the same time.

On the contrary I think Coutinho is better off deeper with plenty of players up in front of him. Think his best and most consistent performances for us came when he was in the middle and Sterling was at the tip. Firmino should in theory just fit in where Sterling was. With Benteke and Sturridge in the side it looks pretty lethal.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #93 on: September 17, 2015, 02:01:35 pm »
One at the bottom of the diamond and 1 at the tip of the diamond

       Firmino

LM               RM

      Coutinho

Firmino can score goals and provide assists.

This has given me an idea, you guys.  We should totally play... A ROTATING DIAMOND.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #94 on: September 17, 2015, 02:02:07 pm »
I really should have finished reading the thread before I posted!

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #95 on: September 17, 2015, 02:03:02 pm »
Wouldn't mind seeing that tried.  Not convinced it would work, mind.

We'd be great going forward, but opposition attacks would go through us like shit through a goose.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #96 on: September 17, 2015, 02:16:28 pm »
We'd be great going forward, but opposition attacks would go through us like shit through a goose.

As opposed to?

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #97 on: September 17, 2015, 02:26:59 pm »
I don't think he has the same vision or passing as Coutinho to be that creative attacking midfielder lynchpin for us. I see him as a 2nd striker, operating in a central area who can do a bit of everything - good finisher, decent dribbler, very good passer and will making important runs. He doesn't have the explosive pace of Sterling and would probably struggle a bit if utilised as a winger. Put him alongside a decent striker, and get him linking up with either wide player or the striker and he'll be that guy who keeps showing up in the right areas and scoring goals (like Maxi some years ago). Unfortunately, we've not deployed him in that form in any game.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #98 on: September 17, 2015, 02:34:26 pm »
Bit worried about him. Hopefully we see more flashes of talent in the upcoming home games.

Although concessions can be made due to his lack of PL experience and apparently being played out of position, but the lack of a decent touch and the constant giving away of the ball is becoming really frustrating and shouldn't be happening regardless of where he's played, considering the esteem Brazilian technicians are held in its a bit of a surprise he can't seem to retain the ball for more than 5 seconds before losing it.

Also I remember people raving about his pressing and Suarez-like tenacity when he came but I'm yet to see any of this, if anything he seems a bit of a soft touch.

Needs a big performance and a goal.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #99 on: September 17, 2015, 09:12:58 pm »
Marcotti's thoughts: "Roberto Firmino does many of the things Coutinho can do and was supposed to be Liverpool's big summer signing, along with Christian Benteke.

Conventional wisdom would suggest you'd put your best players in positions where they can exact maximum damage which, in Firmino's case, is between the lines, with players running off him. We've seen little of that."

Concerned he'll be another one Rodgers just won't use properly and he'll struggle. If he was more a committee buy Rodgers won't be too bothered to give him the chances and time he'd afford to someone like Lallana who he personally pushed for.

Coutinho and Lallana seem to be ahead of him in his actual position and if he's just shoved wide then he's not going to look good. I hope we haven't got another Markovic on our hands.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2015, 09:26:21 pm »
Looks to me that he just hasn't adapted to the premierships break neck speed yet, he looks a yard off the pace, think when he adjusts he will be a cracking player.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #101 on: September 18, 2015, 05:21:42 pm »
Concerned he'll be another one Rodgers just won't use properly and he'll struggle. If he was more a committee buy Rodgers won't be too bothered to give him the chances and time he'd afford to someone like Lallana who he personally pushed for.

Coutinho and Lallana seem to be ahead of him in his actual position and if he's just shoved wide then he's not going to look good. I hope we haven't got another Markovic on our hands.
We should stick him up top with Benteke then.

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Firmino   Benteke

With a 3 man midfield behind them. Could be decent.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2015, 09:28:39 am »
Think he's done well so far, can see he's still getting used to thigs but he's set up 2 big chances for benteke and his shot that hit the post was a great shot

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #103 on: September 19, 2015, 09:32:16 am »
I'm sure there is, but the problem is that his best position is also Coutinho's best position.  How do we get them both in the same team?  Does anyone know how Brazil managed it during the summer?

I'd play Coutinho deeper, more centre mid area

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2015, 05:56:07 pm »
It is early days for Firmino, but watching him the other day I thought that he is not of the caliber that will take a leadership role in a struggling team and carry the team on his own. The price tag suggests he should be, but he is not. Some players are great players in a given system.

If the team game is setup well, players perform very well. I thought Moreno is this type of player, and so is Markovic, IMO. In a right system with a right manager, and given the right role, these players will do very well. I think Firmino is in that category as well. A bit like Kagawa, too, for example. We could add Ozil here as well. But if the team is collection of individuals with no cohesive team game, these players will struggle.

My point is, until Liverpool's team game is back to a decent standard, Firmino will struggle whether you put him centrally or behind the striker, second striker, first striker, winger etc. These are somewhat secondary to his adaptation. A decent pass and move football is a must for these kinds of players. Coutinho would benefit a lot from this, too.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2015, 06:22:50 pm »
I would have played him next to Benteke until Sturridge is back. He's a much better player than Ings.
With Studge back I'm not sure.
Against a weaker team like Norwich I could see Coutinho in the midfield:
Lucas
Coutinho Milner/Can
Firmino
Sturridge Benteke

Coutinho's defence has improved a lot the last year, which makes this more realistic.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2015, 06:28:08 pm by jepovic »

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #106 on: September 19, 2015, 06:25:02 pm »
Wouldn't mind seeing him in front of a pairing of coutinho and Milner and then benteke and sturridge/ings in front of that.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #107 on: September 19, 2015, 06:29:03 pm »
Wouldn't mind seeing him in front of a pairing of coutinho and Milner and then benteke and sturridge/ings in front of that.

With Moreno playing LB for some width, yes please.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #108 on: September 19, 2015, 06:32:01 pm »
was hoping he'd be one of those rare beasts - an overseas LFC signing who hits the ground running ....as it stands I think it may be a while before he starts to justify the inflated transfer fee.....
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #109 on: September 19, 2015, 07:23:01 pm »
I think Lallana's potential to score goals is higher than Firmino but I get the impression that once Firmino settles in he will be far more a creative force than Lallana.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #110 on: September 19, 2015, 07:53:29 pm »
We should stick him up top with Benteke then.

      Coutinho

Firmino   Benteke

With a 3 man midfield behind them. Could be decent.

I would as well but what about when Sturridge is back? Which begs the question what did we sign Firmino for? What's the plan? Where did we envisage him playing and in what system? I wondered it when we signed him given we already had Coutinho and Lallana and i'm none the wiser now.

I feared he'd be just shoved wide out of position.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #111 on: September 19, 2015, 07:57:09 pm »
I feared he'd be just shoved wide out of position.
How do you know what his best position is? Were you watching him a lot at Hoffenheim?

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #112 on: September 19, 2015, 07:58:43 pm »
I think Lallana's potential to score goals is higher than Firmino but I get the impression that once Firmino settles in he will be far more a creative force than Lallana.

You appear to have made two backhanded compliments that if they work out will enhance the season enormously.

On another related note, do we now start making firmer connections in our shaping of the team due to our forced position of no Henderson?. Our hand is forced all of a sudden, but it is a negative we can work from, from Monday onwards at Melwood anyway, whatever we do Sunday.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #113 on: September 19, 2015, 08:22:10 pm »
Coutinho as a CM and Firmino as a number 10. With Benteke and Sturridge upfront will work 100%. Need to see it ASAP

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #114 on: September 19, 2015, 08:29:08 pm »
Coutinho as a CM and Firmino as a number 10. With Benteke and Sturridge upfront will work 100%. Need to see it ASAP

Agreed, we need to persevere until it clicks with those 4 on the pitch at the same time.
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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #115 on: September 19, 2015, 08:44:38 pm »
Perhaps it's because I'm watching our games of late half asleep, but I haven't really seen anything that justified his hype from Firmino so far.
Looks like the pace of the league has caught him by surprise. Hope he finds his stride soon.

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #116 on: September 20, 2015, 11:33:35 am »
he doesn't even fit in the puzzle if we play a diamond

in fact he doesn't fit in most formations

confusing buy

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #117 on: September 20, 2015, 11:41:37 am »
he doesn't even fit in the puzzle if we play a diamond

in fact he doesn't fit in most formations

confusing buy

Tip of the diamond in a 4-4-2

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #118 on: September 20, 2015, 11:45:22 am »
he doesn't even fit in the puzzle if we play a diamond

in fact he doesn't fit in most formations

confusing buy

Why?

Hes played his best football on the left and in the middle,

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Re: Round table: Firmino the next piece in the puzzle
« Reply #119 on: September 20, 2015, 11:51:16 am »
he doesn't even fit in the puzzle if we play a diamond

in fact he doesn't fit in most formations

confusing buy

Of course he does, this would get both he and Coutinho in their best positions:

                         Lucas

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                        Firmino

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