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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #200 on: April 21, 2017, 06:09:53 PM »

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #201 on: April 21, 2017, 06:13:54 PM »
He better fucking had step down if they lose.

Surely the unions and other interested parties would be able to apply the pressure required to oust the limpid limpet?


My concern is that talk of there being a Tory Landslide are premature - when you analyse the last election, the majority of Con gains came from Lib losses and as Labour has already been decimated in Scotland I'm not sure where the significant additional Con seats required are coming from. In other words, Labour could loose by less than expected and that would count as a "win" for Corbyn - giving him a tenuous mandate to stay put.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #202 on: April 21, 2017, 06:14:30 PM »
Also, is there really a need to call me names? I'm not 'c**t' because I do what I believe to be the right thing in the ballot box; I'm not a 'c**t' because I disagree with you.

I defined voting for this party lead by May as cuntiness. My definition of cuntiness is indifference to the suffering of others, and taking cavalier risks with the livelihoods and future of others.  I defy you to say that supporting May's Tory party does not meet that definition of cuntiness. I have also preemptively avoiding guilt by association.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #203 on: April 21, 2017, 06:22:15 PM »

My concern is that talk of there being a Tory Landslide are premature - when you analyse the last election, the majority of Con gains came from Lib losses and as Labour has already been decimated in Scotland I'm not sure where the significant additional Con seats required are coming from. In other words, Labour could loose by less than expected and that would count as a "win" for Corbyn - giving him a tenuous mandate to stay put.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #204 on: April 21, 2017, 06:22:29 PM »
I'm not British nor do I live in Britain. Other than catching the occasional PM's Q's, I'm not too familiar with the day-to-day goings on of government and the potential voting patterns/trends.

How do you all foresee this election as going?  :)

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #205 on: April 21, 2017, 06:23:11 PM »
not sure who to vote for. Not tories or ukip. Would normally vote labour but if a tactical vote meant that the tories had to have another coalition with say the lib dems then I could be persuaded, but as it stands it's hard to see how the tories will lose. So anything that gives them less power (other than a UKIP/Tory coalition) would be better than nothing.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #206 on: April 21, 2017, 06:23:53 PM »
No, you're not, but you are a labia majora.
This lovely attitude is bound to encourage fence-sitters to vote Labour and Lib Dem, isn't it.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #207 on: April 21, 2017, 06:24:22 PM »
I'm not British nor do I live in Britain. Other than catching the occasional PM's Q's, I'm not too familiar with the day-to-day goings on of government and the potential voting patterns/trends.

How do you all foresee this election as going?  :)

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #208 on: April 21, 2017, 06:24:36 PM »
I'm not British nor do I live in Britain. Other than catching the occasional PM's Q's, I'm not too familiar with the day-to-day goings on of government and the potential voting patterns/trends.

How do you all foresee this election as going?  :)
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« Reply #209 on: April 21, 2017, 06:26:41 PM »

My concern is that talk of there being a Tory Landslide are premature - when you analyse the last election, the majority of Con gains came from Lib losses and as Labour has already been decimated in Scotland I'm not sure where the significant additional Con seats required are coming from. In other words, Labour could loose by less than expected and that would count as a "win" for Corbyn - giving him a tenuous mandate to stay put.

As the saying goes, I'd try anything once apart from bestiality & voting Tory - as a party member I'll always support Labour - just not necessarily the Leadership.......



The point where the electoral college starts to work in Labour's favour is when their vote share hits 20%. Before then, there's plenty of seats to lose from the 2015 elections. I just put the numbers from the Mirror's poll tracker into Electoral Calculus' widgets and it threw out nearly 50 which will be lost if Labour only pulls in 26.1% of the vote. Wales and the outskirts of cities make up the bulk.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #210 on: April 21, 2017, 06:26:53 PM »
I've never voted Tory and was a passionate remainer but for the first time I'm considering it.  I was a socialist when I was younger but my views have changed, I believe the worst thing that could happen to the most vulnerable people in this country is Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister because he'd preside over economic disaster.  Yes the rich would become poorer but so would the poor.  I am still a card-carrying lib dem supporter but the irony of the liberal DEMOCRATS trying to ignore a democratic vote on membership of the EU is extraordinary.  I loved the orange book liberals (Vince Cable, Nick Clegg, Chris Huhne, etc.) but they've nearly all gone now and cockends like Tim Farron on the left of the party have taken over, so there's really very little choice as far as I'm concerned.

As I said on another thread, the worst thing, in my opinion, that could happen to this country, the thing that could most endanger the ability for me to look after and protect my family and provide the best possible life for my loved ones is a labour government lead by Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnel, and my vote will reflect that view.  If that makes me a c*nt, then guilty as charged.

They are not ignoring any vote. Do the 48% who voted Remain deserve any representation in parliament. The Lib Dems positions is the that full negotiated deal is presented to the people. How is that not democratic. The referendum caused the triggering of Article 50. There is no further inferences that can justifiably be drawn from the referendum result. A referendum is probably the most democratic resolution to the form that Brexit will take and whether May's deal passes muster.  This general election result cannot be used for that as the 2 parties that under any possible FPTP scenario will win the vast majority of seats have articulated and voted for virtually identical provisions.

Corbyn will not win a majority. No one will accept a coalition deal with Corbyn as PM. He will not run the country. So you are voting for your MP far more that a party. The vast majority of MPs voted no confidence in Corbyn. You could vote for one of them safely.  Most of your favourite Lib Dems are standing again, so you can vote for them in good conscience.  In many ways, the national picture is so predictable that you should vote for the best person for your constituency. I would struggle to make any sort of case that would the Tory.

If you vote Tory, you are supporting a hard Brexit gamble with no contingency plan. You are supporting the decimation of services, hitting the most needy and vulnerable. You are supporting an attack on the very fabric of the country, and offer tacit support to a xenophobic agenda. I refer you to my earlier answer about cuntiness.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #211 on: April 21, 2017, 06:31:14 PM »
This lovely attitude is bound to encourage fence-sitters to vote Labour and Lib Dem, isn't it.

Why sugar coat it? You want to vote for a bunch of c*nts that are tacitly saying fuck you to anyone vulnerable, anyone who voted remain.  The election was explicitly called to suppress opposition.

You are on a Liverpool website, and you are shocked when you get c*nt references for supporting the Tories?

Us OOT'ers are guests here, don't shit on the carpet.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #212 on: April 21, 2017, 06:32:04 PM »
This lovely attitude is bound to encourage fence-sitters to vote Labour and Lib Dem, isn't it.

Nobody is responsible for their own morality but themselves.

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« Reply #213 on: April 21, 2017, 06:33:52 PM »
A question for any Southern Tory Liverpool FC customers here.

What got you into supporting Liverpool FC?

It can't be love of the city, because for decades the Torys have attacked Liverpool relentlessly.
It can't be a connection or affinity with the fanbase, because Torys are seen as the worst scum imaginable by Liverpool fans. We sing about Thatcher being dead to this day.
It can't be the history of the club, modern LFC was built by a socialist who would detest the current lot of Torys.
It can't be the motto, because "You'll Never Walk Alone" opposes conservative viewpoints at their core.

I just don't know how a Tory from down south can end up supporting Liverpool. There's clubs like Chelsea much closer to home who have a history of right wing and conservative support.

I'm not taking the piss, i'm being totally sincere here. I just can't imagine a Southern Tory having any real connection to the club or what it stands for.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #214 on: April 21, 2017, 06:36:01 PM »
The point where the electoral college starts to work in Labour's favour is when their vote share hits 20%. Before then, there's plenty of seats to lose from the 2015 elections. I just put the numbers from the Mirror's poll tracker into Electoral Calculus' widgets and it threw out nearly 50 which will be lost if Labour only pulls in 26.1% of the vote. Wales and the outskirts of cities make up the bulk.

Still early days yet - Corbyn's started going all out Trump on the electorate's ass in terms of positioning himself as the outsider, which could play well - its a rock and a hard place mate.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #215 on: April 21, 2017, 06:37:59 PM »
Why sugar coat it? You want to vote for a bunch of c*nts that are tacitly saying fuck you to anyone vulnerable, anyone who voted remain.  The election was explicitly called to suppress opposition.

Here we go: disagree with the left on policy and you're an evil toff who wants innocent people to suffer. Yawn.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #216 on: April 21, 2017, 06:38:15 PM »
A question for any Southern Tory Liverpool FC customers here.

What got you into supporting Liverpool FC?

It can't be love of the city, because for decades the Torys have attacked Liverpool relentlessly.
It can't be a connection or affinity with the fanbase, because Torys are seen as the worst scum imaginable by Liverpool fans. We sing about Thatcher being dead to this day.
It can't be the history of the club, modern LFC was built by a socialist who would detest the current lot of Torys.
It can't be the motto, because "You'll Never Walk Alone" opposes conservative viewpoints at their core.

I just don't know how a Tory from down south can end up supporting Liverpool. There's clubs like Chelsea much closer to home who have a history of right wing and conservative support.

I'm not taking the piss, i'm being totally sincere here. I just can't imagine a Southern Tory having any real connection to the club or what it stands for.
Crosby, can you start a thread on this issue? This is a very interesting question, but I don't want to derail this conversation. I will gladly answer it for you.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #217 on: April 21, 2017, 06:38:53 PM »
A question for any Southern Tory Liverpool FC customers here.

What got you into supporting Liverpool FC?

It can't be love of the city, because for decades the Torys have attacked Liverpool relentlessly.
It can't be a connection or affinity with the fanbase, because Torys are seen as the worst scum imaginable by Liverpool fans. We sing about Thatcher being dead to this day.
It can't be the history of the club, modern LFC was built by a socialist who would detest the current lot of Torys.
It can't be the motto, because "You'll Never Walk Alone" opposes conservative viewpoints at their core.

I just don't know how a Tory from down south can end up supporting Liverpool. There's clubs like Chelsea much closer to home who have a history of right wing and conservative support.

I'm not taking the piss, i'm being totally sincere here. I just can't imagine a Southern Tory having any real connection to the club or what it stands for.

Is it that simple though? It should be but it isnt. There are loads of Tory voters who have voted Labour and Tory voters who dont know anything about what Thatcher did.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #218 on: April 21, 2017, 06:40:59 PM »
Here we go: disagree with the left on policy and you're an evil toff who wants innocent people to suffer. Yawn.

"Want" and "indifferent" really amount to the same thing in the context of policy that harms people.

Does merely being a Tory and expressing an opinion in a very mild manner constitutes "shitting on the carpet" - ? 

Manners don't come into it. You vote for a party that wrecks lives as a matter of course. You probably shit on a fair few people you pass on the street every day without knowing it.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #219 on: April 21, 2017, 06:41:40 PM »
If you vote Tory, you are supporting a hard Brexit gamble with no contingency plan. You are supporting the decimation of services, hitting the most needy and vulnerable. You are supporting an attack on the very fabric of the country, and offer tacit support to a xenophobic agenda. I refer you to my earlier answer about cuntiness.

As I said before, the most vulnerable in this country would be most at risk from a Jeremy Corbyn lead government.  Every vote for labour, strengthens his position and every vote emboldens the crackpots who form his support base and brings that disastrous reality a little bit closer.  We've seen the rise of the hard left across Europe, it's not impossible we could see it here too.  As Brexit and Trump showed us, there are an extraordinarily high number of stupid, reactive people in the world who will blame everyone and everything for their personal circumstances before thinking they might actually need to take some action themselves to improve their lot.

Incidentally, you're wrong about the liberal democrats - they have previously supported a second referendum - I know the hard left despise democracy when the chips don't land quite how they'd hoped but I'm a democrat first, and everything else second - even if it means putting up with listening to the aforementioned stupid people.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #220 on: April 21, 2017, 06:41:54 PM »
Crosby, can you start a thread on this issue? This is a very interesting question, but I don't want to derail this conversation. I will gladly answer it for you.




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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #221 on: April 21, 2017, 06:43:43 PM »
Crosby, while you're at it can you peel me a grape?
I asked him because it's his question. It would be rather stupid for me to start a thread asking a question, only to answer it myself, would it not?

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #222 on: April 21, 2017, 06:44:07 PM »
A question for any Southern Tory Liverpool FC customers here.

What got you into supporting Liverpool FC?

It can't be love of the city, because for decades the Torys have attacked Liverpool relentlessly.
It can't be a connection or affinity with the fanbase, because Torys are seen as the worst scum imaginable by Liverpool fans. We sing about Thatcher being dead to this day.
It can't be the history of the club, modern LFC was built by a socialist who would detest the current lot of Torys.
It can't be the motto, because "You'll Never Walk Alone" opposes conservative viewpoints at their core.

I just don't know how a Tory from down south can end up supporting Liverpool. There's clubs like Chelsea much closer to home who have a history of right wing and conservative support.

I'm not taking the piss, i'm being totally sincere here. I just can't imagine a Southern Tory having any real connection to the club or what it stands for.

I'm not a Tory but I'll answer anyway.

Most people pick their team at a much much younger age than they develop political leanings, usually before the age of 10. And once you have your football team you can't change it, its with you for life. I guess when people develop their political leanings (for most people this will be in their teens) it's too late to change to align with a football club that best represents those leanings.

I somtimes think about how lucky I am that the club I chose happens to align with my left wing attitude to life. It's a complete coincidence though.

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« Reply #223 on: April 21, 2017, 06:46:18 PM »
Still early days yet - Corbyn's started going all out Trump on the electorate's ass in terms of positioning himself as the outsider, which could play well - its a rock and a hard place mate.

Yeah, it is. Don't think Corbyn playing the outsider is anything but stating the obvious. He is an outsider. To his own party for most of his political life. To the bulk of the electorate. There aren't millions of Bennites quietly seething away waiting for the revolution. Just a lot of very pissed off Remainers who he has made no attempt to represent (unless someone's into 88 dimensional chess scenarios dreamed up by the Canary to justify the shitshow). Really want Labour to pull in the votes to offer some real resistance to Brexit on Tory terms but suspect that May yielding the spotlight to Corbyn is not accidental. He's even worse in it than she is.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #224 on: April 21, 2017, 06:47:59 PM »


  We've seen the rise of the hard left across Europe,

Where's that then?

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #225 on: April 21, 2017, 06:48:39 PM »
Why would anyone be shocked at being called out for being a Tory on this site?  Seriously?

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #226 on: April 21, 2017, 06:49:40 PM »
Crosby, can you start a thread on this issue?

There's one already, here.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #227 on: April 21, 2017, 06:50:56 PM »
Manners don't come into it. You vote for a party that wrecks lives as a matter of course. You probably shit on a fair few people you pass on the street every day without knowing it.
The problem with this is line of thinking is that anyone could decide the same. I could decide Labour "wreck lives as a matter of course", and treat Labour voters in the same manner as I'm being treated by some on here because I'm a Tory.

But I don't, because I understand Labour supporters and lefties in general vote the way they do because they believe it's the right thing to do. I don't treat people negatively because of their support for a mainstream political party.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #228 on: April 21, 2017, 06:52:17 PM »
Podemos in Spain, Syriza in Greece, Jean-Luc Melenchon in France.

Of course we have Wilders, Le Pen, etc. to counter that from the far right but in Europe and across the world, what would have been considered the extreme fringes of politics not long ago are gaining popular support.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #229 on: April 21, 2017, 06:54:06 PM »
Here we go: disagree with the left on policy and you're an evil toff who wants innocent people to suffer. Yawn.

There is disagreeing with a policy, and there is voting Tory. Voting Tory is voting for the continuation of the current policies that are demonstrably causing incredible harm. You don't have the class to be a toff. I picture you more as a loadsamoney wannabe.


I joined this website because I support Liverpool, for very strong family reasons. I offered my opinion in full knowledge it would be unpopular, and expected some blowback from that; I didn't expect a moderator to call me a 'c**t'.

You have not judged your audience too well.


Does merely being a Tory and expressing an opinion in a very mild manner constitutes "shitting on the carpet" - ? 

Metaphorically, pretty well yes. It is grossly insensitive and provocative. And it smells.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #230 on: April 21, 2017, 06:55:37 PM »
As I said before, the most vulnerable in this country would be most at risk from a Jeremy Corbyn lead government.  Every vote for labour, strengthens his position and every vote emboldens the crackpots who form his support base and brings that disastrous reality a little bit closer.  We've seen the rise of the hard left across Europe, it's not impossible we could see it here too.  As Brexit and Trump showed us, there are an extraordinarily high number of stupid, reactive people in the world who will blame everyone and everything for their personal circumstances before thinking they might actually need to take some action themselves to improve their lot.

Incidentally, you're wrong about the liberal democrats - they have previously supported a second referendum - I know the hard left despise democracy when the chips don't land quite how they'd hoped but I'm a democrat first, and everything else second - even if it means putting up with listening to the aforementioned stupid people.

There is no path to a Corbyn victory. He is fucking useless. It would be a miracle for Labour just to keep most of the seats that they have.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #231 on: April 21, 2017, 06:58:37 PM »
The problem with this is line of thinking is that anyone could decide the same. I could decide Labour "wreck lives as a matter of course", and treat Labour voters in the same manner as I'm being treated by some on here because I'm a Tory.

But I don't, because I understand Labour supporters and lefties in general vote the way they do because they believe it's the right thing to do. I don't treat people negatively because of their support for a mainstream political party.

You could decide whatever you like, it wouldn't make it right. In any case, how many lives have Labour wrecked in the last seven years?

I don't believe Conservatives voters vote the way they do because they believe it's the right thing to do. If I did I would despise them. I'd much rather credit it to self-aggrandisement and ignorance in the form of prejudice/misconceptions (of the poor, disabled, etc). That's much more palatable than if they, in full possession of the facts, believe that the actions of this government are the morally correct course - which would strike me as absolutely horrifying.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #232 on: April 21, 2017, 07:01:23 PM »
The problem with this is line of thinking is that anyone could decide the same. I could decide Labour "wreck lives as a matter of course", and treat Labour voters in the same manner as I'm being treated by some on here because I'm a Tory.

But I don't, because I understand Labour supporters and lefties in general vote the way they do because they believe it's the right thing to do. I don't treat people negatively because of their support for a mainstream political party.

But that would be your delusion. Which people would have their lives wrecked by Labour?

For the Tories, you can point to NHS and Social Services degradation, the ATOS fiasco, the reduction of benefits, increase in homelessness and foodbanks. There is real empirical evidence.

You just deciding would be delusion and make you Liam Fox.

May's Tories are not a mainstream party by any definition that would have held even 2 years ago. So yes, you do deserve to be called out on it.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #233 on: April 21, 2017, 07:09:50 PM »
You could decide whatever you like, it wouldn't make it right. In any case, how many lives have Labour wrecked in the last seven years?
If you want to talk about lives ruined by political parties, how about the Iraqis dead as a result of Blair's decision to invade Iraq?

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I don't believe Conservatives voters vote the way they do because they believe it's the right thing to do. If I did I would despise them. I'd much rather credit it to self-aggrandisement and ignorance in the form of prejudice/misconceptions (of the poor, disabled, etc). That's much more palatable than if they, in full possession of the facts, believe that the actions of this government are the morally correct course - which would strike me as absolutely horrifying.
Ah, yes - agree with my politics, or else you're a greedy, stupid, selfish capitalist pig who hates the poor and wants to euthanise the disabled. Never heard that before. ::)

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #234 on: April 21, 2017, 07:11:10 PM »
The economic catastrophe Corbyn and McDonnel would preside over would ravage entire communities.  Although, pretty much everyone's standard of living would be lowered significantly.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #235 on: April 21, 2017, 07:11:16 PM »
The Iraqi war that the Tories voted for?


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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #236 on: April 21, 2017, 07:12:08 PM »
The economic catastrophe Corbyn and McDonnel would preside over would ravage entire communities.  Although, pretty much everyone's standard of living would be lowered significantly.

There is no credible path to them getting the levers of power. None whatsoever.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #237 on: April 21, 2017, 07:12:51 PM »
Conservative. I voted for them in 2015 as I lean small-c conservative in most issues; I'm voting for them again partly because I also voted Leave (I know, fighting talk 'round these parts ;D) and obviously want to see that go through.

It should be noted I'm from their natural heartlands in the rural South; I'm not a Scouser.
I can understand your point on seeing Brexit through but you said you voted partly because of Brexit so I assume your happy with the way they've handled the economy and the country in general.
Am very surprised as they've put the country in more debt over the last 7yrs than all Labour governments combined.our services have been slashed,our schools depending on parents handouts. the list goes on and on, they've been a total disaster. easily the worst Tory government in modern times.
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've have been fooled" Mark Twain on Brexit.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #238 on: April 21, 2017, 07:13:23 PM »
The Iraqi war that the Tories voted for?
Indeed, you're right. Tories are not angels, and I don't agree with absolutely everything they say or do. But that's not the point; you asked what lives Labour have wrecked.

For the record, I oppose these stupid foreign wars whether Tories or Labour start them.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #239 on: April 21, 2017, 07:13:55 PM »
Us OOT'ers are guests here, don't shit on the carpet.
Does merely being a Tory and expressing an opinion in a very mild manner constitutes "shitting on the carpet" - ? 
No, it's a poor argument. Converts are always the most zealous.