Topic: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?

[Party Phil]

I have no idea. I am very much anti Brexit so reluctant to vote Labour but the fact that the Lib Dems have not categorically ruled out another coalition with the tories puts me off. In any case, I am registered to vote in a very safe Labour seat so will probably just not bother or spoil the ballot.

[Alan_X]

Can't compute, you literally support the party of Ian Duncan Smith and have cheek claim moral high ground on anything?

Says the man who said he'd vote Trump.

[SP]

What's more Low-Life than the party that helped cover up the truth of the darkest moment in our club's history

Do not go there. This is not a topic for the obvious Jack Straw rebuttal. There is plenty to diss the Tories with that does not involve Hillsborough.

[SP]

To be honest mate 'lowlife' is one of the things you can't throw at Labour if you're supporting a party with a history of nonce-sympathising.

Again. Do not go there. Greville Janner is an obvious counter point. Stick to actual policy reasons to loathe them, this is not a topic for paedophile gossip.

[jDJ]

A government lead by Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot would be absolutely catastrophic for this country so I'll work backwards from there.

[Beard]

No doubt this will get me banned from RAWK for life but Conservative all the way. Will never ever ever vote for Corbyn and everything that he and his low-life colleagues stand for.

You're either extremely rich or a multi-national company not paying your fair share of tax.

[Redman0151]

Do not go there. This is not a topic for the obvious Jack Straw rebuttal. There is plenty to diss the Tories with that does not involve Hillsborough.

Those c*nts helped cover up the death of 96 of our own and perpetuate false narratives about scousers and Liverpool fans, fuck them, it shouldn't be ignored especially when one of the c*nts has the gall to call the Labour party "low-life"

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A government lead by Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot would be absolutely catastrophic for this country so I'll work backwards from there.

Oh but the Tories are wonderful aren't they!

[J_Kopite]

You're either extremely rich or a multi-national company not paying your fair share of tax.

He isn't necessarily either of those. Lots of working class and poor people vote Tory, it should be the job of the other parties to convince them they're voting against their interests and put forward a vision they can buy in to. It's unfortunate for most of us that they don't seem capable of doing it at this point in time.

[stewil007]

A government lead by Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot would be absolutely catastrophic for this country so I'll work backwards from there.

whereas a government led by May, Hammond and Rudd will be happiness and sunshine?

[SP]

Those c*nts helped cover up the death of 96 of our own and perpetuate false narratives about scousers and Liverpool fans, fuck them, it shouldn't be ignored especially when one of the c*nts has the gall to call the Labour party "low-life"

Those c*nts are long retired or dead. Neither party helped, and both often actively hindered for 2 decades. Hillsborough is not a political football to be used for party political ends. Attack the Tories on what they are doing now. There is plenty of material to work with.

[SP]

A government lead by Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot would be absolutely catastrophic for this country so I'll work backwards from there.

There is no conceivably possible route to that happening. If you loathe that leadership, it is not a reason to not vote for the majority of MPs that voted no confidence in Corbyn last year.

[alonsoisared]

This forum at the last election- dont waste your vote on the greens or lib dems, the important thing is getting the tories out and ending the suffering of the most vulnerable. Vote labour

This forum now- meh dont like corbyn might vote lib dems or spoil my ballot and guarantee a tory landslide

[Redman0151]

This forum at the last election- dont waste your vote on the greens or lib dems, the important thing is getting the tories out and ending the suffering of the most vulnerable. Vote labour

This forum now- meh dont like corbyn might vote lib dems or spoil my ballot and guarantee a tory landslide

  Yep it's interesting given the disdain some were treated with last time around for voting Green because they didn't want to support Blair or his ilk

[TheShanklyGates]

This forum at the last election- dont waste your vote on the greens or lib dems, the important thing is getting the tories out and ending the suffering of the most vulnerable. Vote labour

This forum now- meh dont like corbyn might vote lib dems or spoil my ballot and guarantee a tory landslide

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/apr/20/tactical-voting-to-beat-the-tories-does-the-maths-equal-a-coalition?CMP=share_btn_tw

In summary - Corybn is so fucking terrible that you might as well vote with your conscience, it won't make any difference.

[JCM]

As this Election is about Brexit and the hole that May has dug for herself, I will be voting Lib Dem !

[Xabi Gerrard]

This forum at the last election- dont waste your vote on the greens or lib dems, the important thing is getting the tories out and ending the suffering of the most vulnerable. Vote labour

This forum now- meh dont like corbyn might vote lib dems or spoil my ballot and guarantee a tory landslide

In case you hadn't noticed, a couple of things have changed since the last election moving the goalposts somewhat.





It's not just about getting the Tories out any more - it's about saving the future of our country.

[alonsoisared]

How are we going to save the future of our country by guaranteeing another tory government?

[Zeb]

This forum at the last election- dont waste your vote on the greens or lib dems, the important thing is getting the tories out and ending the suffering of the most vulnerable. Vote labour

This forum now- meh dont like corbyn might vote lib dems or spoil my ballot and guarantee a tory landslide

Think the overwhelming attitude is to vote to prevent the Tories having a landslide. I'm voting Green because I have the luxury of being in a safe Labour seat with a Brexiter MP where my protest vote for a Remain party and candidate will have bugger all impact on who becomes MP.

[Alan_X]

Those c*nts helped cover up the death of 96 of our own and perpetuate false narratives about scousers and Liverpool fans, fuck them, it shouldn't be ignored especially when one of the c*nts has the gall to call the Labour party "low-life"

As Jon said, So did Jack Straw. It's a no-win situation.

[Xabi Gerrard]

How are we going to save the future of our country by guaranteeing another tory government?

If everyone who really wants to stop Brexit happening voted for a party in favour of staying in the EU (i.e. don't vote Tory, don't vote UKIP, don't vote BNP, don't vote Labour), then there wouldn't be another Tory government. The pro-EU vote if focused would win this thing in a landslide.

Sad truth is though that too many people who say they are pro-EU are letting petty grudges (being hypocritical about tuition fees FFS whilst ignoring bad things Labour have done in the past) get in the way of their children's and grandchildren's future.

[TravisBickle]

This forum at the last election- dont waste your vote on the greens or lib dems, the important thing is getting the tories out and ending the suffering of the most vulnerable. Vote labour

This forum now- meh dont like corbyn might vote lib dems or spoil my ballot and guarantee a tory landslide

 The difference is, everyone knows Labour has no chance at this election. And on the key election issue, Corbyn and the Tories are one and the same.

[Alan_X]

This forum at the last election- dont waste your vote on the greens or lib dems, the important thing is getting the tories out and ending the suffering of the most vulnerable. Vote labour

This forum now- meh dont like corbyn might vote lib dems or spoil my ballot and guarantee a tory landslide

Because at the last election, the best chance of keeping the Tories out was voting Labour. Voting Green was self indulgent unless you were in Brighton.

This time round things have changed radically. We're in a situation where the harsh reality is finding ways to minimise the size of a Tory landslide. Corbyn has almost  unprecedented dissatisfaction levels and some may feel that the best way to keep a Tory out in certain constituencies is to vote Lib Dem or whoever else has the best chance of winning.

It has always been about protecting the poorest and least advantaged by keeping the Tories out. Corbyn's Labour has abdicated that responsibility by keeping a man as leader who currently has a 15% 'Best Prime Minister' rating  (May is at 54%).

[alonsoisared]

Because at the last election, the best chance of keeping the Tories out was voting Labour. Voting Green was self indulgent unless you were in Brighton.

This time round things have changed radically. We're in a situation where the harsh reality is finding ways to minimise the size of a Tory landslide. Corbyn has almost  unprecedented dissatisfaction levels and some may feel that the best way to keep a Tory out in certain constituencies is to vote Lib Dem or whoever else has the best chance of winning.

It has always been about protecting the poorest and least advantaged by keeping the Tories out. Corbyn's Labour has abdicated that responsibility by keeping a man as leader who currently has a 15% 'Best Prime Minister' rating  (May is at 54%).

I get that Alan and if there are people out there who are moving to lib dem and have a genuine shout of them winning the seat then fair play to them. But why previously staunch labour voters would throw their vote away I don't understand.

I've supported Corbyn quite often on here, and a lot of criticism that he has received (much of it I can actually agree with) has been about his ability to win an election. There isn't too much criticism of his actual policy, much of which is surely what many of us on here as (in general) a left leaning site would love to see? He's vowing to defend the NHS from privatisation, raise the minimum wage, close loopholes for big businesses avoiding tax, raise taxes for the richest while protecting the poor etc etc. Whether people like him or not that sounds a hell of a lot better than what we know we are going to get from the tories. Why waste your vote on what's effectively a protest vote that won't do anything to turn this situation around?

As labour supporters, to spend months dismissing him due to a belief that he could never win an election only to not even vote labour yourselves just seems a bit...petty. theres an air of people who have spent years saying "anyone but the tories" suddenly licking their lips at just how ugly this could end for labour to the extent theyd rather pointlessly vote lib dem or spoil their papers.

[TheShanklyGates]

I get that Alan and if there are people out there who are moving to lib dem and have a genuine shout of them winning the seat then fair play to them. But why previously staunch labour voters would throw their vote away I don't understand.

I've supported Corbyn quite often on here, and a lot of criticism that he has received (much of it I can actually agree with) has been about his ability to win an election. There isn't too much criticism of his actual policy, much of which is surely what many of us on here as (in general) a left leaning site would love to see? He's vowing to defend the NHS from privatisation, raise the minimum wage, close loopholes for big businesses avoiding tax, raise taxes for the richest while protecting the poor etc etc. Whether people like him or not that sounds a hell of a lot better than what we know we are going to get from the tories. Why waste your vote on what's effectively a protest vote that won't do anything to turn this situation around?

Our electoral system means my vote is wasted whatever I do. May as well vote for only party that is actually opposing the shambles that is Brexit.

[Beard]

Corbyn is un-electable unfortunately. He'll get my vote but I fear it will count for nothing. I can't see Labour gaining a single seat from another party but can see them losing quite a few. It's gonna take someone special to reignite the party after this general election. It will be on its knees.

[Red Beret]

At the end of the day, the vast majority of Labour supporters aren't who Corbyn has to convince.  I'm seeing all the election stuff pop up on my FB newsfeed about Corbyn now, but it's preaching to the converted.  It's all those swing voters whom Corbyn has singularly failed to convince to back the party.

After the election these people, shut away in their Canary inspired echo chamber, will be crying, scratching their heads and pointing furious fingers at Labour supporters who don't like Corbyn, the PLP, the Murdoch media - everybody except the person to blame.

I don't want Labour to lose.  I certainly don't want them to lose badly.  And I most certainly don't want them to lose just to prove my lack of faith in Jeremy Corbyn is justified  If that inept pillock somehow pulls an SNP/Labour coalition out of this farcical mess I will gladly throw my hands in the air and admit I was wrong. 

I actually think Labour might do better than we suspect.  Well - more a case of not as badly.  And we have to hope for that because it maintains the integrity of the PLP against Corbyn should he choose to carry on in the wake of election defeat.  (Which I think he will, along the lines of "this country has got too used to ditching political leaders after just one election defeat, etc etc...)

[zero zero]

I've supported Corbyn quite often on here, and a lot of criticism that he has received (much of it I can actually agree with) has been about his ability to win an election. There isn't too much criticism of his actual policy, much of which is surely what many of us on here as (in general) a left leaning site would love to see?

Unless you're an internationalist and a EUrophile.

Rather than calling other posters petty or taking it upon yourself to assign them motives, as you appear happy with Corbyn's offering how do you reconcile his stance on Brexit?

[oldfordie]

I think there would have been a few people whose votes are up for grabs who liked what Corbyn said today.
Then you think of the s.. whats going to be thrown at Corbyn +McDonnell in particular and know they are going to be put right off. it's not as if this is something unexpected. it's a cert, it's sad,the last 2 yrs have been 2 yrs of denial.

[alonsoisared]

Unless you're an internationalist and a EUrophile.

Rather than calling other posters petty or taking it upon yourself to assign them motives, as you appear happy with Corbyn's offering how do you reconcile his stance on Brexit?

I said the action seems petty. Youve dished out enough jibes in various labour threads to get over such a harsh line i reckon.

He was poor on brexit, he deserved criticism. But its done, its happening, the lib dems arent winning an election and theyre not stopping brexit in its tracks so as with everything else i would trust a labour government to get the better deal for the people than the tories.

[Bunter]

I think there would have been a few people whose votes are up for grabs who liked what Corbyn said today.
Then you think of the s.. whats going to be thrown at Corbyn +McDonnell in particular and know they are going to be put right off. it's not as if this is something unexpected. it's a cert, it's sad,the last 2 yrs have been 2 yrs of denial.

He really needs to go Trump on the partisan right wing media cabal, hammer it home, try and neutralise their poisonous effect, it's one thing politicians are far too soft on in his country, seem to let them say whatever they like with impunity. Expose Murdoch, Rothmere, Dacre's etc. sheer hypocrisy.

[oldfordie]

He really needs to go Trump on the partisan right wing media cabal, hammer it home, try and neutralise their poisonous effect, it's one thing politicians are far too soft on in his country, seem to let them say whatever they like with impunity. Expose Murdoch, Rothmere, Dacre's etc. sheer hypocrisy.

I would love to see it happen but not sure if it's a good idea for Corbyn to be the man to argue the point, it will be twisted as trying to stop free speech and playing the victim as he has no answers to difficult questions.
Saw this cartoon the other week and theres a lot of truth in it.

[Alan_X]

He really needs to go Trump on the partisan right wing media cabal, hammer it home, try and neutralise their poisonous effect, it's one thing politicians are far too soft on in his country, seem to let them say whatever they like with impunity. Expose Murdoch, Rothmere, Dacre's etc. sheer hypocrisy.

Can people stop using Donald reality-tv-billionaire Trump as some kind of anti-elitist or anti media outsider.



He sucks up to Murdoch and Fox News, not to mention appalling right wing shite like Breitbart and InfoWars.  Trump attacks the ones who he doesn't like but entertains Murdoch on his golf course and is part of the right-wing cabal.

Corbyn has no friends in the media and doesn't have Trump's charisma.

[zero zero]

I said the action seems petty.

Nothing petty to literaly wake up one morning and find that Labour's position on the biggest politcal event of our lifetimes is indistinguishable from The Tories. Or UKIP. Or Rupert Murdoch.

He was poor on brexit, he deserved criticism. But its done,...

No it's not "done". We have no idea what Brexit is, or what it will look like. The fact you're spouting Tory rhetoric just illustrates the lack of direction or differentiation that we've got from the Labour leadership.

...its happening, the lib dems arent winning an election and theyre not stopping brexit in its tracks so as with everything else i would trust a labour government to get the better deal for the people than the tories.

Based on what? having their heart in the right place? I know Corbyn's speech went down well with the young and the hard left but I find a 67-year-old, anti-Establishment career politician a little incongruous. I'm also not sure a self-styled Man-who-doesn't-play-by-the-rules is well placed to negotiate with the EU when he can't even form a consensus within his own party.

Yesterday's performance:

But Mr Corbyn’s campaign launch was overshadowed by confusion when he was asked afterwards whether he would back a second referendum on Brexit after the terms of the UK’s deal with the EU become clear.

His shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, had earlier floated the possibility in a BBC radio interview, saying the deal should be “put to Parliament and possibly the British people”.

Instead of giving a clear answer, Mr Corbyn procastinated for several minutes and discussed other EU issues. Mr McDonnell, who was in the audience, refused to answer as journalists asked him the same question after the event.

Attempts to clarify Mr Corbyn’s position were blocked for several hours, with his spokesman initially saying that Labour backed a “meaningful vote in Parliament” but would not lay out its full Brexit policies until the coming weeks.

Only at 2.30pm, four hours after the speech, did the spokesman announce that a second referendum was not party policy.

[nayia2002]

Now is the time to stand up and be counted!! 

SUPPORT LABOUR VOTE CORBYN!!

WE need to REMOVE the tories from government there's no other option!

[fudge]

I get that Alan and if there are people out there who are moving to lib dem and have a genuine shout of them winning the seat then fair play to them. But why previously staunch labour voters would throw their vote away I don't understand.

I've supported Corbyn quite often on here, and a lot of criticism that he has received (much of it I can actually agree with) has been about his ability to win an election. There isn't too much criticism of his actual policy, much of which is surely what many of us on here as (in general) a left leaning site would love to see? He's vowing to defend the NHS from privatisation, raise the minimum wage, close loopholes for big businesses avoiding tax, raise taxes for the richest while protecting the poor etc etc. Whether people like him or not that sounds a hell of a lot better than what we know we are going to get from the tories. Why waste your vote on what's effectively a protest vote that won't do anything to turn this situation around?

As labour supporters, to spend months dismissing him due to a belief that he could never win an election only to not even vote labour yourselves just seems a bit...petty. theres an air of people who have spent years saying "anyone but the tories" suddenly licking their lips at just how ugly this could end for labour to the extent theyd rather pointlessly vote lib dem or spoil their papers.

It's not pointless at all. The Lib Dems are the only party coming out in opposition of a generational important issue like Brexit. I am a fan of much of Corbyn's policies and could on another day vote Labour but he's made a fundamental fuck up on this key policy.

[Red-Soldier]

It's not pointless at all. The Lib Dems are the only party coming out in opposition of a generational important issue like Brexit. I am a fan of much of Corbyn's policies and could on another day vote Labour but he's made a fundamental fuck up on this key policy.

I don't think some people quite understand the huge implications of Brexit and the changes that will be made to this country because of it.

It's the most important issue facing this country for years and will have an impact on everything; the NHS, inflation, environment, economy, Jobs, other public services, etc etc.....

Absolutely everything with be affected by Brexit

[Sangria]

I don't think some people quite understand the huge implications of Brexit and the changes that will be made to this country because of it.

It's the most important issue facing this country for years and will have an impact on everything; the NHS, inflation, environment, economy, Jobs, other public services, etc etc.....

Absolutely everything with be affected by Brexit

And Corbyn has allied with the Tory party on this, and the Labour members have endorsed his decision to ally with the Tories on this. I can't vote for a party that supports all the implications of Brexit, especially hard Brexit.

[Outer Mongolian Red]

Lib Dems.

Only main party with some opposition to Brexit so I haven't a choice really.

Since writing this I've looked up my constituency's history and it's been Tory or Labour since it's inception,the lib dems only got 2% of the vote last time.

Guess I'll end up voting labour then through gritted teeth.

[redgriffin73]

Labour, I'm in a fairly marginal Labour seat so need to play it safe.