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« Reply #680 on: September 20, 2016, 11:52:48 am »
So Wisconsin have appealed and he might not be getting out....

Do they have to give grounds on which they are appealing the decision? Or is that for a potential new trial?

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« Reply #681 on: September 20, 2016, 12:38:42 pm »
Do they have to give grounds on which they are appealing the decision? Or is that for a potential new trial?
i think their grounds are they're petulant arseholes who won't admit fault.
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« Reply #682 on: September 20, 2016, 12:39:56 pm »
Do they have to give grounds on which they are appealing the decision? Or is that for a potential new trial?
They said something along the lines of believing the decision that the "confession" should be considered unsafe was erroneous.
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« Reply #683 on: September 20, 2016, 02:00:13 pm »
It also raises major doubts about the justice system seeing as Avery and Dassey were found guilty of two very very different murders. One bloody and extremely violent, the other being carried out rather cautiously...

That was my biggest issue with the whole thing. You can't convict two people of the same crime committed in 2 different ways in 2 different locations - it's utterly ludicrous.

Fact is there's a decent chance neither are guilty.
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« Reply #684 on: September 20, 2016, 10:36:36 pm »
Fact is there's a decent chance neither are guilty.

And given the fact that the whole American Justice Defence System is based around "reasonable doubt" shows you how much more of a joke the whole thing is.

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Re: Making A Murderer - A Netflix Documentary Series - MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS
« Reply #685 on: September 23, 2016, 09:21:14 am »
Would not be worth a whole thread, but for those of you missing this kind of thing, Conviction: Murder at the Station on BBC 2 and the I player is a cracker. It only looks to be in 2 parts at the moment, so interesting to see if that is a test of audience response or genuinely condensed in to 2 episodes. Love little details like the woman doing the investigating having a Fall album in her house.
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Re: Making A Murderer - A Netflix Documentary Series - MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS
« Reply #687 on: November 14, 2016, 08:03:53 pm »
Making a Murderer nephew Brendan Dassey freed by judge

A US judge has ordered the immediate prison release of Brendan Dassey, whose case featured in Netflix's Making a Murderer documentary.
The Wisconsin man's murder conviction was overturned this summer, however, prosecutors are appealing.
The 27-year-old, who has learning difficulties, and his uncle Steven Avery were convicted of murdering a young woman, Teresa Halbach, in 2005.
Avery and Dassey, who was 16 at the time, were sentenced to life in prison.
Judge William Duffin ordered that Dassey be freed from prison under supervision until the next steps in the case become clear, reports the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

The same judge quashed Dassey's conviction in August, ruling that investigators had made false promises by assuring him "he had nothing to worry about".
He confessed to helping Avery rape, kill and mutilate Ms Halbach.
The case received wide attention after the release of the 10-part documentary Making a Murderer in December 2015.
The filmmakers cast doubt on the legal process used to convict Dassey and Avery

Avery was accused and found guilty of murdering Ms Halbach, a photographer for Auto Trader Magazine.
Her charred remains were found at Avery's car salvage yard a week after she went there to photograph a minivan for sale.
The documentary series focused on the conduct of law officials in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin.
They had been facing a huge financial penalty over an earlier case in which Avery was wrongfully imprisoned for 18 years for sexual assault.

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« Reply #688 on: November 14, 2016, 08:04:47 pm »
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« Reply #690 on: November 14, 2016, 10:58:25 pm »
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« Reply #691 on: November 16, 2016, 07:15:33 pm »
Great news. To be released on Friday night.


PORTAGE, Wis. — A federal judge has ordered Brendan Dassey, whose case was made famous by the 2015 Netflix documentary Making a Murderer, to be released from prison by 8 p.m. Friday.

The ruling by U.S. Magistrate William Duffin comes one day after the Wisconsin Department of Justice filed a motion seeking to prevent Dassey's release from Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage.

Duffin on Monday ordered that Dassey be conditionally released while the state appeals his August decision to overturn Dassey's conviction in the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach. The Seventh Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago will handle the case.

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Re: Making A Murderer - A Netflix Documentary Series - MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS
« Reply #692 on: November 17, 2016, 11:59:41 pm »
The release was cancelled today I read. Awaiting the outcome of an appeal from state prosecutors. I'm open to correction on this.
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« Reply #693 on: April 21, 2017, 11:57:10 pm »
April 20th was an important date for some reason... Nothing happened?
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« Reply #694 on: June 22, 2017, 10:57:34 pm »
This has been on me list for 'ages'.. On ep. 4 now.

Will hold on commenting just yet, but man, some of this is tough.

Very well made tho.
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« Reply #695 on: June 22, 2017, 11:26:02 pm »
3 person Federal Appeal Court has ruled that Brendan Dassey's confession was improperly coerced and he should be freed.

Wisconsin has 90 days to either appeal to the Supreme Court or re-try him. Otherwise he's a free man.
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« Reply #696 on: June 22, 2017, 11:28:43 pm »
3 person Federal Appeal Court has ruled that Brendan Dassey's confession was improperly coerced and he should be freed.

Wisconsin has 90 days to either appeal to the Supreme Court or re-try him. Otherwise he's a free man.

Good news!

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« Reply #697 on: June 23, 2017, 07:58:11 am »
So, a retrial then?

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« Reply #698 on: June 23, 2017, 09:45:36 am »
So, a retrial then?
At this point sticking either Brendan Dassey or Steven Avery back into a court room for these crimes would just be an exercise in embarrassment.

Katherine Zellner has also submitted an appeal for Steven Avery.
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« Reply #699 on: December 9, 2017, 12:46:12 am »
Brendan Dassey's conviction for murder has been upheld by a Federal Appeals Court in a 4-3 vote.
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With one dissenting judge calling the decision “a profound miscarriage of justice,” a federal appeals court in Chicago has reversed an earlier decision to overturn the murder conviction of Brendan Dassey, one of the subjects of Netflix’s true crime documentary hit Making A Murderer. The 4-to-3 decision hinged on whether individual justices believed that Dassey’s confession to the murder of Teresa Halbach—which the then-16-year-old has since recanted, claiming it was coerced—stood up in a court of law. Ultimately, the majority decided that it did.

The dissenting opinions in the case were blistering, though, with judge Ilana Diamond Rovner writing, “His confession was not voluntary and his conviction should not stand, and yet an impaired teenager has been sentenced to life in prison.” (Dassey was a high school sophomore enrolled in special education classes at the time the murder occurred.)
Today’s news is just the latest in a long back-and-forth between Dassey’s attorneys and the State Of Wisconsin, as they fight over whether he deserves to go free. The now 28-year-old’s lawyers have vowed to continue appealing the case, pledging to take it to the Supreme Court.

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« Reply #700 on: December 9, 2017, 12:49:32 am »
What a load of shit.
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« Reply #701 on: December 9, 2017, 06:40:22 pm »
So 57% of people constitutes “reasonable doubt”
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« Reply #702 on: January 11, 2018, 02:26:26 am »
Just finished the 10 episodes.
What scares me is that this injustice can be filmed, and yet
it still persists and is not overturned for Steven Avery.

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« Reply #703 on: September 25, 2018, 04:42:25 pm »
Netflix have announced new season starting 19 October

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« Reply #704 on: September 25, 2018, 04:43:54 pm »
A new season about the same case or is it based on a different murder?
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« Reply #705 on: September 25, 2018, 04:46:57 pm »
Same case mate

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« Reply #706 on: September 25, 2018, 07:14:44 pm »
Nice. Will be interesting to hear what has been going on since this first aired, if that's what's it about...

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« Reply #707 on: September 26, 2018, 08:59:09 am »
Intriguing. This fascinated me back when it came out. Hopefully this will be as good.

I guess the first series offered a certain perspective without giving the prosecution the same airtime. You'd think if there was a real injustice here then this second series would see the prosecution begin to unravel or at least be place under a lot more scrutiny by the courts. 

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« Reply #708 on: September 26, 2018, 11:25:56 am »
Can we assume that there is no new evidence? Just focusing on appeals and Brendan's situation?

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« Reply #709 on: October 10, 2018, 04:54:26 pm »
New trailer. Oct 19 release date.

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« Reply #710 on: October 11, 2018, 07:07:46 pm »
Looks even less balanced than the last one.

His new lawyer Zellner keeps getting knocked back from various courts and hasn't really come close, she's tried to pin it on several other people so far with no avail.

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« Reply #711 on: October 11, 2018, 07:41:04 pm »
New trailer. Oct 19 release date.

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« Reply #712 on: October 12, 2018, 12:17:59 am »
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« Reply #713 on: October 12, 2018, 01:02:09 am »
Looks even less balanced than the last one.

His new lawyer Zellner keeps getting knocked back from various courts and hasn't really come close, she's tried to pin it on several other people so far with no avail.



I know what you mean, the police department definitely did some shady stuff and were way too focused on Avery, but at the same time he still seems like an awful human being who more than likely killed her. It's good that the show has brought a lot of attention to how his nephew was treated though.

Zellner just seems like she loves the exposure but who knows, it'll be interesting to see what's been going on with the case.

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« Reply #714 on: October 12, 2018, 08:39:29 am »
I know what you mean, the police department definitely did some shady stuff and were way too focused on Avery, but at the same time he still seems like an awful human being who more than likely killed her. It's good that the show has brought a lot of attention to how his nephew was treated though.

Zellner just seems like she loves the exposure but who knows, it'll be interesting to see what's been going on with the case.

That is in a nutshell for me. Little sympathy for Steven, all the sympathy in the world for Brendan. Genuinely cannot believe that he is still in prison.
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« Reply #715 on: October 20, 2018, 05:30:57 pm »
Looks even less balanced than the last one.

His new lawyer Zellner keeps getting knocked back from various courts and hasn't really come close, she's tried to pin it on several other people so far with no avail.



I'm still in the middle of watching it (episode 4 I guess), but it feels like two completely different stories. On one side you have Steven Avery and Katherine Zellner and it's very difficult to watch because they don't really come across very well (especially Steven). On the other hand you have Brendan Dassey and his lawyers and it's also very hard to watch but for very different reasons. As someone said it's hard to believe that he's still in jail...

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« Reply #716 on: October 20, 2018, 09:00:04 pm »
I'm still in the middle of watching it (episode 4 I guess), but it feels like two completely different stories. On one side you have Steven Avery and Katherine Zellner and it's very difficult to watch because they don't really come across very well (especially Steven). On the other hand you have Brendan Dassey and his lawyers and it's also very hard to watch but for very different reasons. As someone said it's hard to believe that he's still in jail...

Find the whole thing a difficult watch. Turned it off after 5 episodes for a break last night. Nothing seems to be happening? I have zero interest in watching a 10 part documentary about Ktherine Zellner recreating the crime. That's what it seems to be for me. Steven is now a side character in the story and comes across as a dickhead. (Although I'd probably be (even more of) a dickhead after being falsely imprisoned for 18 years and now looking at spending the rest of my life in prison again.

But yeah, finding it a difficult watch especially knowing that the ending is just both of them still in jail because obviously the news coverage of this is so mainstream since the popularity of Season 1.

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« Reply #717 on: October 21, 2018, 12:07:53 am »
I am on episode 4 and am hooked again. The system is so fucked up. Tragic still on so many levels.

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« Reply #718 on: October 22, 2018, 07:46:11 pm »
Finished it. WTF. Head wrecker. Still so many unanswered questions. Kratz still makes my skin crawl. How some of these characters sleep at night is beyond me.

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« Reply #719 on: October 26, 2018, 04:01:07 pm »
The episode where Brendan’s family find out he is about to be released within hours/days... :(