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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2520 on: April 22, 2017, 01:23:10 pm »
An absolute belter of a site to browse thro for those interested..still getting thro it myself..

http://www.liverpool-city-group.com/cgi-bin/liverpooldb.cgi?db=liverpool&uid=default&category=history&postcode=l.1&sb=17&so=descend&view_records=go&nh=1

One particular which i liked was the horse drawn refuse collections from the back entries picking up the bins that were once situated in the walls.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2521 on: April 22, 2017, 02:51:16 pm »
I remember a few buildings, including the Liver Building, being stone blasted to clean them - what a massive task. I'd guess that was late 70's. I'm surprised the Lyceum was so badly sooted though. Thanks again Gulley.

I'm pretty sure the Liver Building was sand blasted about 1972/73. I used to catch the bus home from work at the Pier Head and walked past the work every day.

I got my first car in 1973 and stopped catching the bus so the work must have been on going before 1973.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2522 on: April 22, 2017, 03:48:12 pm »
...Yes that's the one. It seems to have some kind of erection either side;strange set-up, wasn't some sort of training pitch was it? Maybe it was a sand dune for running up and down - a famous Everton tradition I believe.

I'm not sure Tsar.

At first glance I thought perhaps the land was part of the original stadium plot and could have held a training area and maybe even the changing rooms for the players.

However, from the history of it all, it appears that land was owned by the Orrell brothers and a dispute over it was one of the causes of Everton moving to Goodison. There's a snippet in here that seems to indicate there was a local builders on there, so perhaps it's as prosaic as simply a large mound of builders sand (I think dumpy bags had yet to be invented back then).

Flashpoint - Road to Run Through New Main Stand

However, the flashpoint was a covenant in the contract of the land purchased by Houlding from Orrell causing further and deep friction. A strip of land at the Anfield ground bordering the adjacent land owned by Mr Orrell, could be used to provide a right of way access road for Orrell's landlocked vacant site. Orrell's land had no direct access from Anfield Road, except via the back of a family builders yard. In early 1891 the club erected a stand on the proposed roadway, which was also overlapping Orrell's land. In August 1891 Orrell announced intentions of developing his own land next to the football ground and building an access road on the land owned by Houlding and occupied by Everton F.C.. Orrell had legal right to do so. Everton FC had also built the new main stand overlapping Orrell's land, unbeknown to the Everton F.C. Committee.



There's a bit more background stuff here and here.

This site has a lot of interesting stuff in it too...



And The Kop, 1907...


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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2523 on: April 22, 2017, 07:43:43 pm »
Ta Gulley. I said stone blasted, I meant sand blasted. Yep, the stone is extremely porous and that pic of St G H from the 50's is astonishing.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2524 on: April 22, 2017, 07:53:48 pm »

One particular which i liked was the horse drawn refuse collections from the back entries picking up the bins that were once situated in the walls.

That's fucking brilliant mate.
I'm pretty sure the Liver Building was sand blasted about 1972/73. I used to catch the bus home from work at the Pier Head and walked past the work every day.

I got my first car in 1973 and stopped catching the bus so the work must have been on going before 1973.
You could be right, although I'm not sure why I'd have an interest in it being very young at the time.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2525 on: April 22, 2017, 09:55:19 pm »
Do you mean this attached?  It looks like some kind of a mound or possibly a depression, without contour lines it's difficult to tell..

(PS, the map is from 1890 so it's not Goodison, it's when Anfield was the Everton ground)


It's not the original Spion Kop, is it?
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2526 on: April 22, 2017, 11:57:54 pm »

It's not the original Spion Kop, is it?

No.

The original was the site of a particularly bad show in the South African wars against the Boers.

The British casualties, there were a lot of them. were predominantly Lancashire lads.

332 killed, 563 wounded and 163 taken prisoner.

See here.

After the conflict had finished, the word Kop became synonymous with an intimidating hill.

See here.



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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2527 on: April 23, 2017, 12:09:48 am »
No.

The original was the site of a particularly bad show in the South African wars against the Boers.

The British casualties, there were a lot of them. were predominantly Lancashire lads.

332 killed, 563 wounded and 163 taken prisoner.

See here.

After the conflict had finished, the word Kop became synonymous with an intimidating hill.

See here.





No, I know that - I didn't mean the original original Spionkop. I just always imagined that there must have been a hill next to an early pitch, before the stand was build and took that name.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2528 on: April 23, 2017, 12:32:24 am »
No, I know that - I didn't mean the original original Spionkop. I just always imagined that there must have been a hill next to an early pitch, before the stand was build and took that name.

The 'hill' Tsar and I have been talking about on the map is the tiny mound indicated in the plot next to the ground so I think it's unlikely and from the early diagrams, it looks like the stand was constructed of wood.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2529 on: April 23, 2017, 10:04:30 am »
The 'hill' Tsar and I have been talking about on the map is the tiny mound indicated in the plot next to the ground so I think it's unlikely and from the early diagrams, it looks like the stand was constructed of wood.


Fine answers again Gulley.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2530 on: April 23, 2017, 10:27:17 am »


Ta Tsar...I've just edited my original post and corrected that embedded link to playupliverpool, somehow I'd pasted a bit of gibberish in it which explains why it wasn't working. Should work correctly now.

It's a great little site isn't it?
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2531 on: April 23, 2017, 10:55:24 am »
If I remember right, the term 'Spion Kop' was first refered to the stand/terrace behind the goal from a newspaper article from the echo circa 1906.
The term was coined, so to speak by a reporter.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2532 on: April 23, 2017, 02:16:52 pm »
If I remember right, the term 'Spion Kop' was first refered to the stand/terrace behind the goal from a newspaper article from the echo circa 1906.
The term was coined, so to speak by a reporter.

I'm sure other clubs had Spion Kops as well?

The sad thing is the generals didn't learn the lesson of attacking up hill without knowing the lay of the land and the availability of water supplies. They repeated the same mistakes even more disasterously at Gallipoli 20 odd years later.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2533 on: April 26, 2017, 11:29:30 am »
The 5 ways in 1935..



Not sure what date this one is..

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2534 on: April 26, 2017, 01:29:34 pm »
I'm sure other clubs had Spion Kops as well?

The sad thing is the generals didn't learn the lesson of attacking up hill without knowing the lay of the land and the availability of water supplies. They repeated the same mistakes even more disasterously at Gallipoli 20 odd years later.
Blackpool had one, I was in it when we played them in 1970...iirc Larry Lloyd went off with concussion and we drew 0-0. I also recall being able to walk around the different areas in the ground...I was only 10 then tho, so...
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2535 on: April 28, 2017, 09:37:23 am »
Another historic one from that Cake girl,

 https://twitter.com/angelcakephotos/status/857740559804506113


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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2536 on: May 7, 2017, 12:59:34 am »
Reading the thread about the Greyhound in Knotty Ash,  I rediscovered Liverpool Picturebook, a quite excellent source of pics, especially for those of us from L12 or thereabouts.

Junction of Melwood and Deysbrook...




and now

It's hard to imagine, but you wouldn't believe the number of footie games played on that tiny grass triangle at the junction of Deysbrook and Melwood when I was little in the early 60's, not to count the ones played over the road on the grass in front of just beyond those maisonettes to the right, now long demolished.

I suppose the kids are all busy playing FIFA or some such on a games machine these days.

And courtesy of Göring, a bit of damage to the Jolly Miller..



And an old picture of Alder Hey and the 1st WW US base around it...



These became used as what looks like emergency accomodation by the Council in the post WW1 period.
It was then reactivated for the US in the 2nd WW and afterwards part of it became Springfield Maternity Hospital.



It took me a while to get my orientation with that aerial photo but I've solved it.

Zoomable map from 1920's here

And I've attached screenshot below with locations and marked on the map from approximately where and what direction the picture was taken...







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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2537 on: May 7, 2017, 02:43:27 am »
another view

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2538 on: May 7, 2017, 08:47:14 am »
another view

Cheers, not seen that one before.
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« Reply #2539 on: May 7, 2017, 10:23:07 am »
I'm no use to you I'm afraid Gulley. The nearest view I can find only begets another poser.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2540 on: May 7, 2017, 10:49:19 am »
This was the nearest image I could find Gulley with the new query.

What was the art deco building on the right edge just about half way? I think it is now the  McNasty's at the junction of Liverpool road and Princess drive.

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epr000634?search=huyton&ref=17
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2541 on: May 7, 2017, 12:06:40 pm »
This was the nearest image I could find Gulley with the new query.

What was the art deco building on the right edge just about half way? I think it is now the  McNasty's at the junction of Liverpool road and Princess drive.

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epr000634?search=huyton&ref=17

Eagle and Child? .... http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/lancashire/liverpool_l14_eaglechild.html



(I sorted the view of Alder Hey earlier this morning and edited my original post, I'm ok with the bearings now.)
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2542 on: May 7, 2017, 12:16:14 pm »
Just been browsing the 1930's yoliverpool aerial photos.
I think I've found the house that Adolf stayed in when he was over here  :D

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« Reply #2543 on: May 7, 2017, 12:31:09 pm »
Thanks Gulley - it looks a great deal posher than I can recall!

Enlarged from that earlier view,

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2544 on: May 11, 2017, 09:40:22 pm »
This foto looks really old..in fact its only 5 years old & I'm pretty sure it's location is the last phase/area of the old Royal Ozzy that was renovated by Liverpool Uni & is now part of their energy centre.



..and is inside here..



What a transformation that site is now compared to when it was empty/derelict.

I do wish i took pictures all over that site prior to refurb.

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« Reply #2545 on: May 13, 2017, 08:34:22 pm »
Never seen this before..didn't know the history behind it too.

The original Adelphi Hotel.

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« Reply #2546 on: May 22, 2017, 11:27:55 am »
Another i ain't seen before & it's boss too,a captured german u-boat according to the site..no idea why those flags are flying on it.

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22782&d=1314352023

Great reference site.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2547 on: May 22, 2017, 11:37:49 am »
Woodside, mid-late 60's

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« Reply #2548 on: May 22, 2017, 12:01:15 pm »

Yo is fantastic.

Not seen that picture before and it got me digging.

It appears it's a 1st world war picture, probably 1918 according to here that has a slightly different shot of it...



I know during the latter part of the 2nd WW, certainly after the surrender a few found there way to the Mersey (more than a few used to lurk in the Irish sea during hostilities).

There's a bit in an old Southport Visiter here with a picture of one in Gladstone dock...



(link if pic not showing .. http://i3.southportvisiter.co.uk/incoming/article11747902.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/WA638726.jpg)

I know U1023 was also pictured in the Mersey after capitulation, it actually went up the ship canal to visit Manchester...



(link if pic not showing http://www.submarinewarfare.uk/uboat/uboatmersey.jpg )

..from here.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2549 on: May 22, 2017, 12:37:36 pm »
Another i ain't seen before & it's boss too,a captured german u-boat according to the site..no idea why those flags are flying on it.

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22782&d=1314352023

Great reference site.
The two flags are the Imperial German Navy flag, and above it, a Royal Navy white Ensign.


Presumably the flags are flown in this configuration to denote a captured enemy vessel.


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« Reply #2550 on: May 22, 2017, 08:26:23 pm »
Top research as always G & yep i kinda agree there Richie too.
Gonna delve a bit more on it myself.
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« Reply #2551 on: May 23, 2017, 11:42:19 am »
Yo is fantastic.

Before I sussed the context thought you were getting down with the kids Gulley.
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« Reply #2552 on: May 23, 2017, 12:23:30 pm »
It just shows how things can develop after posting something random.
Reading thro that Lowry link that G posted it was quite a shocking story,albeit unconfirmed.
I was even more taken aback as i know my grandfather had sailed on the Nicosian..which has got me delving goodo.
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« Reply #2553 on: May 23, 2017, 01:00:29 pm »
Before I sussed the context thought you were getting down with the kids Gulley.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2554 on: May 23, 2017, 03:12:04 pm »

Dudes!

It just shows how things can develop after posting something random.
Reading thro that Lowry link that G posted it was quite a shocking story,albeit unconfirmed.
I was even more taken aback as i know my grandfather had sailed on the Nicosian..which has got me delving goodo.

That sounds fascinating.

I'm not sure if you've already had a look at these..

Here has the story and also a picture of the Nevisian but it's unclear if this is actually the Nicosian after it was renamed....



Here is a pdf with some more detail, page 2..

The boarding party, which was meant to be made up of Marines on the "Baralong", also had the Chief Engineer and the Carpenter of the "Nicosian" amongst them complete with pistols.
Anyway the outcome was that LCDR Herbert told the Corporal of Marines not to take any prisoners and to remember  the  "Luistiania"  and  "Arabic."    All  of  the  naked  German  submariners  that  were  aboard  the "Nicosian" were shot out of hand.
All this was witnessed, by the crew and muleteers of the "Nicosian". The people from "Nicosian" return to their ship and it was towed to start with by the "Baralong" but they eventually made Avonmouth under their own steam.


This seems to be the only mention that perhaps Nicosian crew members took part in the storming of the ship and subsequent summary executions but the bit that was mentioned in that Lowry link suggesting the U-Boat members might have been put in the furnace seems unlikely, as it indicates all the Nicosian crew had abandoned the ship prior to this assault. The Germans were likely just shot on sight when cornered, no quarter given.

There's also a little bit in this Google book here.

Filling out the back story slightly, Streetsofliverpool has a bit about it too, including a picture of the HQ ship mentioned, Egret (Eagle) and a picture of her moored in Brunswick dock...



(link if image not appearing .. http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/HMS-Eagle.jpg)

From the comments there, it would appear that her figurehead is still around, ...and is mounted on a wall at the Royal Naval Headquarters in Sefton Street where the present HMS Eaglet forms a part of the HQ

Not that it's ever an excuse for summary execution of those U Boat crew survivors, but the feeling of pent up hatred is perhaps understandable when you scan through this sobering list...

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishBVLSMN1507.htm

July - British Merchant Vessels Lost to Enemy Action in July: 20 merchant ships totalling 52,847grt - 19 of 48,844grt to submarines, 1 of 4,003grt to mines, plus 39 fishing vessels totalling 4,427grt - 36 of 3,966grt to submarines, 3 of 461grt to mines (H)

August - British Merchant Vessels Lost to Enemy Action in August: 49 merchant ships totalling 148,464grt - 42 of 135,153grt to submarines, 7 of 13,311grt to mines, plus 38 fishing vessels totalling 2,890grt - 36 of 2,454grt to submarines, 2 of 436grt to mines (H)

September - British Merchant Vessels Lost to Enemy Action in September: 30 merchant ships totalling 101,690grt - 22 of 89,693grt to submarines, 8 of 11,997grt to mines, plus 8 fishing vessels totalling 445grt - 6 of 292grt to submarines, 2 of 153grt to mines (H)


...and that's just those ships lost July-September 1915

We often assume naval warfare is somehow a clean thing, full of honour with men in neat uniforms who speak in clipped voices. It rarely is, it's brief but usually seriously brutal and those enemy combatants who somehow survive (from both sides perspectives) have so often then simply been left to die in the oceanic wastes or their boats run down or machine gunned.

I've almost just finished reading a large tome about all the Artic convoys during the 2nd WW. It's bleak and I can only have the greatest respect for those who took part and the so many who never returned and who had an unmarked watery grave.


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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2555 on: May 23, 2017, 03:44:20 pm »
Superb G & many thanks for that.
http://1915crewlists.rmg.co.uk/document/144291
Looking at the crew list for the 19/8/15 i was sorta relieved to see his name not on it as he was still mid teens when all that went on.
Will do some more research later,so much to do right now.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2556 on: May 23, 2017, 04:35:59 pm »
It just shows how things can develop after posting something random.
Reading thro that Lowry link that G posted it was quite a shocking story,albeit unconfirmed.
I was even more taken aback as i know my grandfather had sailed on the Nicosian..which has got me delving goodo.

Were you one of the lucky ones who managed to get a 1918 photo of him from the Findmypast merchant seamen archive?
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« Reply #2557 on: May 23, 2017, 07:43:59 pm »
Were you one of the lucky ones who managed to get a 1918 photo of him from the Findmypast merchant seamen archive?

Nah i missed that,I'm guessing it was a limited time freebie they threw out?
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« Reply #2558 on: May 23, 2017, 07:57:03 pm »
No Med it's an ongoing thing. There's probably an even money chance you'll get one with his mugshot instead of just his details: D of B, address, rank etc.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #2559 on: May 23, 2017, 08:10:09 pm »


Tsar, what link is that under as I can't find the Merchant Navy?

I have a long deceased Uncle from my mums side who was a chef on the Cunarders (I understand) back in the 30's  though he died just before the war.
The only pic I have of him is this (sorry for the state of it)....he's on the right.  Not sure what ship he was on at the time.
Look at that cake!!!  Anyone recognise the ship?
 
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