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Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« on: July 12, 2005, 10:08:01 am »
I've noticed a pattern: every summer, the same discussions arise. Two opposing arguments will be proffered on every possible signing: He's too this, or He's not enough that.

"Yeah, but..."

"Shut it, dickhead. He's crap. End of."

Ultimately, it's the individual player in question who matters. We all look to what has gone before (at times I'm as guilty as anyone), but there is never a perfect precedent. Just because Player X didn't adapt to the Premiership, it doesn't mean Player Y won't either.

He might not, of course. But he is his own man, in a different period of time, and in a different set of circumstances. He is not a clone. You cannot replicate the situation as it was in the past, or even come close.

Signing a Scottish international from Celtic does not mean you get the next Kenny Dalglish. Signing an old baldy fella from Coventry does not get you another Gary McAllister.

It doesn't stop the repetition of stock arguments.


"He's Just A One Season Wonder"

Any player who has done well the previous season, but not beforehand, gets labelled the One Season Wonder. Almost always a striker, he will be compared to Marcus Stewart, Kevin Phillips (somewhat bizarrely, as he was rather better than that), Michael Ricketts (how did he looks so good for a while, and end up so bad?) and Andy 'How Many Penalties?' Johnson.

Of course, sometimes you cannot afford to wait for a player to be a 14-season wonder –– making your move at the precise moment he announces his retirement.

Then there's the issue of improvement: as a player's game clicks into place, for one reason or another. Is Peter Crouch improving dramatically, or did he merely have a good six months? (In a crap side, at that.) Bad and lucky players do not score 16 goals in 24 Premiership games in a poor team. Even the best players in the world, in the form of their lives, wouldn't do much better than two goals every three league games.

Would Crouch do better with players like Gerrard, Alonso, Luis Garcia, Kewell,  Gonzales, Zenden and Figo (hopefully) supplying the service? You can but assume it would surpass a pass from Rory Delap.

And how can you judge a player who had to play for Graham Taylor at Aston Villa, with one who would play for Rafa Benítez at Liverpool? Same freakishly tall human being with comedy teeth, but one whose ability to succeed depends on working with a manager who can bring the best out of him. It is like giving lumps of clay to Michelangelo and a monkey to see which one can manufacture something aesthetically pleasing.

(Admittedly, Michelangelo has been dead for 441 years, and as such, the metaphor is slightly ill conceived; unless, of course, to even it out, the monkey has also been dead for 441 years –– in which case, the whole thing is just rather macabre: a dead artist, a dead monkey and two untouched pieces of clay...)

The opposite: "He's Crap Now, He's Lost It"; to be used for any player who hasn't scored a goal for three weeks.


"He's Too Old/Past His Best"

A perennial, this 'old' chestnut. The current debate surrounds Luis Figo. Class is permanent, after all –– although even the best players head over the hill at some point, and descend rapidly down the other side.

Figo remains a quality act, and is still fit, professional and dedicated. It's a bit like moaning that your old Ferrari "only does 220mph these days...". Ultimately it remains better than even the top-range Skoda.

Then again, if the Ferrari won't even start, as the engine spontaneously combusted (although isn't that what the internal combustion engine is supposed to do?), then even the most basic, fully-functioning Skoda would be a better choice to get from A to B.

Of course, there's always Mauricio Pellegrino: he didn't do so good, did he? Big reputation, but on the slide. Bit like Laurent Blanc at Manchester United.

Sure, but don't forget Gary McAllister. 

Ah, but Pellegrino...

And repeat.

Good examples, and bad examples. I say potato, you say pottahtoe. I say McAllister, you say Pellegrino. Both are right; and neither are right.

Bergkamp and Zola remain prime examples of players still cutting it in their mid-to-late 30s. There are other players who looked past it at 29.

One last payday, or a legend with a point to prove? It's all about the individual.


"He's Too Expensive"

People like to assign players a set value, from which they are not allowed to deviate. Peter Crouch is apparently worth only £2.91758m in the eyes of most Liverpool fans, but worth over twice that to the Liverpool manager. Why?

The way I see it, Rafa has a set budget, which we are not aware of, and a hit-list of players on whom to spend that money. If he gets all the players he wants within the overall budget: bingo. That's all he cares about.

Is Peter Crouch worth £7m? If he is to Rafa, then he is to me. (Unless I'm being asked to foot the full bill; in which case he's a lanky streak of piss, and I can spare a fiver at most.)

Seriously though, if Rafa can spend a total of £7m on Figo, Zenden and Crouch, at an average of less than £3m each, then it doesn't matter which one cost £7m and which two were free? Three internationals, two of whom have achieved many, many things in the game, and another who appears to be coming good at a relatively young age.

Of course, the higher the price tag, the more pressure on the individual to justify it. But again, that's down to the individual, and you don't know if a player can handle that until he has the chance to. If he failed after previous big(ish) money moves, then that could be for a myriad reason.

Also see: "He's Too Cheap". As in "He only cost £3m or less, he can't be any good." (Josemi, Nunez ... Um, Hyypia, Henchoz, Riise, Baros, McAllister, Babbel.)


"Only A Reserve At Another Club"

One man's meat is another man's poison. Or in other words, what works for some may not work for others. Is Michael Owen any worse now than 12 months ago, despite being third choice at Real Madrid? Can you compare the standard of player between a reserve at Barcelona and a first team player at Birmingham?

This particular argument surfaced twice in the summer of 2004: it was used to denigrate Antonio Nunez, and yet Luis Garcia –– Liverpool's star in the knock-out phases of the Champions League, and joint top-scorer overall –– was only a reserve at Barcelona, even before Deco and Guily arrived. Luis Garcia may be a far better player than Nunez; but neither were in their respective teams' first XIs. Again, it depends on the individual, not their situation. Fernando Morientes was another who lost his first-team place at Real Madrid, but remains a class act.

The same can be said of one outgoing transfer: Alou Diarra. Good enough to play for France (although not a first choice, of course), but at Liverpool he was behind Gerrard, Alonso and Hamann. No wonder he opted to play first team football in France with the World Cup looming. Had Gerrard and Hamann left Liverpool this summer, along with Biscan, Diarra might have become a key player. Some teams are strong in one area, and at Liverpool it has been with central midfielders. You can't ask ambitious players to hang around as fourth or fifth choices for long.

A reserve at a big club can be a great player in need of an opportunity.


"Never Played For A Big Club"

Actually, this is one of my own favourites. While not essential, it's always helpful if a player has experienced the unique pressures of life at a big club: the bigger, more demanding crowds who expect success; the existence of a whole host of legends from the past to live up to; the regular appearances in European football; the extra press attention; and, of course, the likelihood of squad rotation, which brings its own challenge to confidence.

But even great players often have to make the step up at some stage. Juventus signed Zidane from Bordeaux, and the bonus was that he was a bargain. Real Madrid then bought Zidane after his first experience of a big club, and it cost them £46m. Juventus got the Frenchman's best years, and outstanding value for money.


"We Must Sign World-Class Players"

Always a good one, and certain to lead to a three-day debate as to what defines 'world-class'. World-class players, if (loosely) defined as the very best 50 players in the world (and not just those who grace the world stage now and then), tend to cost £20m upwards. Not to mention £20m+ in wages over a four-year contract.

Someone –– usually aged 15 –– will get overexcited and go too far as, high from the fumes of unchanged underpants, he suggests the manager should sign Robinho, Robben, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Ronald McDonald. The words 'Championship Manager' will appear in reply soon after.     

Any team needs the best players it can get its hands on: providing they fit into the scheme of things. Real Madrid remain the perfect example of how buying the best players without any great masterplan can result in declining standards. World-class players demand world-class wages. If their egos are oversized, and they drag their weight rather than pull it, they can destabilise a club.


"No Premiership Experience/Might Not Settle"

Always a good one to pull from the bag to write off any potential signing who happens to be from another country. Every signing is a gamble: the same is as true of those from England as those from overseas. Clearly overseas players will need the possible period of adaptation, but it's not like anyone's asking them to switch from football to blindfolded tobogganing.

Apparently suited to the English game: Salif Diao. Patently unsuited to the English game: Luis Garcia.

While they are clearly different types of players, sometimes good players are all you need; the rest will take care of itself in due course. Better to get someone like Robert Pires working with the dedication of a Salif Diao, as you'll never get a Salif Diao playing with the skill of a Pires.


"He Wouldn't Get Into the Chelsea or Arsenal Side"

Always a bit misleading, this one. After all, Frank Lampard was Footballer of the Year, and yet many Reds would opt for Steven Gerrard and Xabi Alonso every time. Chelsea fans might argue that, given their parsimonious defence, which broke Liverpool's 1979 record for fewest goals conceded (in less games, mind), Jamie Carragher wouldn't get into their team.

Chelsea are perfectly happy with Lampard, and Liverpool are delighted with Carragher. Neither club needs to buy their rival's best player from 2004/05: although you'd always try to find a place for them, somewhere, if given the option.

Ultimately this is about what Liverpool need; not what Chelsea or Arsenal do not need.


Conclusion

So basically, the ideal signing would be a player aged around 24/25, with Premiership experience, who was born overseas in a sunny clime (they are always more skilful, aren't they?) but who grew up in the English game, and who has played in the latter stages of the Champions League at a club with a large home crowd and a tradition of success, as well as experiencing international football.

I fed all the information into my high-powered computer (ZX Spectrum 48k) and waited for 16 hours (in between a quick game of "Horace Goes Skiing") for the results to print out, dot-matrix format, on thermal paper that looks more like loo roll.

According to those criteria, the best signing the club has made in the last 20 years is...







... Harry Kewell.

©Paul Tomkins, 2005

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2005, 10:18:26 am »
Brilliant Paul.
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2005, 10:21:36 am »
"Horrace goes skiing" and the good ol' Spectrum 48k

Ahhhh... the memories.

Nail on the head there with a summary of each type of signing.

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2005, 10:22:04 am »
yet another great lunchtime read, thanks

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2005, 10:23:59 am »
Yeah, but no, but yeah but no but..........
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2005, 10:26:22 am »
nice read!

great  hollywood ending...tom cruise could even pass off as Harry;have to have a stunt double though
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2005, 10:26:37 am »
fucking ace
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2005, 10:29:44 am »
I fed all the information into my high-powered computer (ZX Spectrum 48k) and waited for 16 hours (in between a quick game of "Horace Goes Skiing") for the results to print out, dot-matrix format, on thermal paper that looks more like loo roll.


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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2005, 10:30:08 am »
Superb read Paul. As usual.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2005, 10:30:18 am »


Someone –– usually aged 15 –– will get overexcited and go too far as, high from the fumes of unchanged underpants, he suggests the manager should sign Robinho, Robben, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Ronald McDonald. .[/b]




I would love to hear the commentary for these lot playing in the same team, I suppose it's a possibility. That McDonald fella, Big Mac as he's known to some, has a cracking first touch apparently.
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2005, 10:30:23 am »
Now, Ive warned you about this before Paul - and you clearly havent taken stock of what Ive said, so i am gonna say it realy clearly one last time for you.

"S T O P   T A L K I N G   S E N S E !"

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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2005, 10:30:49 am »
Love the ending  ;D

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2005, 10:31:31 am »
Your depiction of a truely baseless conversation at the begining of your post is alarmingly accurate. Let's take the recent example of Peter Crouch for example. I've seen so many posts claiming he's a disaster of a player but none that offered any explanation. Could be that some people speak before they think and when you ask them why?, they realise they have no idea.

I can respect someone who at least tries to reason out his/her point. May turn out to be complete bollocks but it took effort at least. Too many a time have I seen mindless comments like,"he's crap!" without any explanation to follow.

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2005, 10:33:54 am »
Good article, but wasn't Luis Garcia voted second in the player of the season nominations by the Barca fans before we signed him?
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2005, 10:35:16 am »
Thats superb writing. Thanks for that.

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2005, 10:35:35 am »
Love the ending  ;D

Harry Kewell should certainly have been our best signing in recent times.  He was to have been the missing piece of the jigsaw.  I don't think the logic is wrong in relation to HK, it's just that circumstances have conspired to prevent him fulfilling that massive potential in a red shirt.

Still, if the talk walks, we may see the new HK next season.  At last.
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2005, 10:36:06 am »

... Harry Kewell.[/b]

"Shut it, dickhead. He's crap. End of." ;) :wave
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2005, 10:36:22 am »
I would love to hear the commentary for these lot playing in the same team, I suppose it's a possibility. That McDonald fella, Big Mac as he's known to some, has a cracking first touch apparently.

Rubbish Barney - that Big Mac is just crap in a [the] box.  :P
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2005, 10:37:27 am »
Sorry, that article was written by a writer with only one book to his name, and with no long term proven pedigree.  Who is to say that that asn't the start of his decline.  I won't pay more than 2 Million for it. 

Ah, I hear it was some kind of Bosman, and I didn't have to stump any readies at all.  No wonder, look at the age of the writer.  He'll never cut it.




Cracking stuff again Paul, but you've just made 90% of the posts in the last month somewhat redudant.

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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2005, 10:39:24 am »
Don't see how anyone can judge a player purely on the club they have come from, what they have or haven't achieved, how many medals they have got etc,..

Remember the team of the 70's and 80's was built on players from the likes of Northampton, Oxford, Chester, Ayr,. and so on. Players brought in from lower teams by Paisley, Fagan, King Kenny etc,.. they were unknown and brought us success. Now every young fan wants a top class/world class player from a top team with a host of top awards and plaudits. Sorry, but if the manager knows what player he wants and thinks he can do the job, then I trust his judgment.  The manager can make these decisions and as such we should get behind him, after all bringing in players and turning them into world class players is something I have missed Liverpool Football Club doing.  The players from the teams mentioned?  (From Memory!) Phil Neal, Steve Nicol, John Aldridge, Ian Rush. There are a lot of players defined as greats or legend from Liverpools past that played for lesser teams/divisions and country than ours, we shouldn't forget this and trust that Raffa is making the best decisions for our club and get behind whoever the player is.

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2005, 10:40:02 am »
The twist at the end makes Sixth Sense look like an episode of Eastenders   ;D
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2005, 10:40:19 am »
"Robinho, Robben, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Ronald McDonald"
I would love to hear the commentary for these lot playing in the same team

Should get Jonathan Woss to do it in Python-stylee!  Sorry Wafa, we don't have a Wonaldinho...... :D
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2005, 10:41:54 am »
An inspired piece. I think it is the best article of yours I have read so far. Original, and makes sense.

At the end of the day, there will always be transfers that do not seem to have the ideal price, ideal quality, ideal wage, ideal history, ideal experience, from the ideal league, from the ideal country, of an ideal age. If you have a lack of two or more of the 'ideals', there will always be reservations. Time will tell in any transfer.

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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2005, 10:42:18 am »
great read mate thanks
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2005, 10:43:38 am »
Nice article - a good antidote to much of the shite being written about potential targets.

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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2005, 10:44:05 am »
Thats clinched it, I'm buying the book.


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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2005, 10:48:58 am »
Excellant ending.
I was racking my brains to think who "the computer" may have come up with.
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2005, 11:00:49 am »
I actually disagree with the tone of the piece - if you're suggesting that these arguments are wrong or invalid (judging by your conclusion).  By definition, "speculation" is guesswork, purely because it is made before events unfold and not in retrospect.

I would argue that for each occurence where a player's reality turns out to be different to the expectations of him at the point of signing him - whether it be the disappointment of Kewell, the new Zidane or the Serial Killer, or unexpected jackpots such as Dalgish, Hyypia or Gary Mac - there is at least one occurence where the reality does conform to the expectation.

Heskey - 'not a true goalscorer', and so it proved, Riise - we got the solid player we expected.

You own point that all players are individual cases means that there is a certain random element to how they will perform at a new club. They are all risks to some extent.  We speculate on how we think players would turn out in a red shirt.  Some of us think Crouch would be a waste of oxygen (though admittedly, there is less of it up where he is), some of us think that he would provide a useful alternative option in attack in certain situations.  Time will tell which camp are right.  He could turn out to be a flop à la Heskey, he could turn out to be a star à la Carragher.  By definition, one camp will be proved right, and one wrong.

But next time, the wrong 'uns will get it right, and vice versa.
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2005, 11:11:55 am »
Hey this guy is good, maybe he should think about writing a book............................. ;D

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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2005, 11:14:58 am »
I actually disagree with the tone of the piece - if you're suggesting that these arguments are wrong or invalid (judging by your conclusion).  By definition, "speculation" is guesswork, purely because it is made before events unfold and not in retrospect.

I would argue that for each occurence where a player's reality turns out to be different to the expectations of him at the point of signing him - whether it be the disappointment of Kewell, the new Zidane or the Serial Killer, or unexpected jackpots such as Dalgish, Hyypia or Gary Mac - there is at least one occurence where the reality does conform to the expectation.

Heskey - 'not a true goalscorer', and so it proved, Riise - we got the solid player we expected.

You own point that all players are individual cases means that there is a certain random element to how they will perform at a new club. They are all risks to some extent.  We speculate on how we think players would turn out in a red shirt.  Some of us think Crouch would be a waste of oxygen (though admittedly, there is less of it up where he is), some of us think that he would provide a useful alternative option in attack in certain situations.  Time will tell which camp are right.  He could turn out to be a flop à la Heskey, he could turn out to be a star à la Carragher.  By definition, one camp will be proved right, and one wrong.

But next time, the wrong 'uns will get it right, and vice versa.

I was about the write something along the same lines myself.

We all have reservations about players purchased and no manager has ever been faultless in the transfer market.  Rafa has got it wrong too in the short time he's been here with, for example, Nunez.  There is no guarantee that every player he buys will be a success, although a manager who at the age of 13 used to mark his teammates performance is less likely to fail because he knows exactly the type of player he's looking for!

As always, we can speculate on how bad (or good) a player is going to be (we all have opinions after all) but the proof of the pudding is in the eating.  I say let Rafa do his thing in the transfer market and comment on Crouch, Reina, Sissoko, Figo, Gonzalez, etc. once they've had a season with us.  Until then, by all means comment (this is a forum after all!) but let's make them positive and optimistic and keep the negative expectations to a minimum.
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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2005, 11:26:08 am »
At last - sense.

Excellent Paul.
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2005, 11:30:08 am »
Rafa has got it wrong too in the short time he's been here with, for example, Nunez. 

Sorry to pick on one point (which isn't really what your talking about in general) but I don't understand this whole Nunez was a disaster ideal thats around - Nunez (it seems) was brought in to be a squad player - well thats what he's been and every time he got on the pitch from January onwards (i.e when reasonable match fit) he did fine - nothing flashy but he kept control of the ball and stuck to the touchline to provide another passing option - now maybe im alone but thats all I ever expected of him - yes I wish his crossing was more precise but other than that I have NO problems with how Nunez turned out last season

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2005, 11:31:37 am »
I actually disagree with the tone of the piece - if you're suggesting that these arguments are wrong or invalid (judging by your conclusion). 

I'm with Cookie. However much I enjoyed the article (and well done on the cracking denouement- a Manc buddy of mine even enjoyed it), the thrust seems to be that there's no point in speculating and arguing over potential signings. That's part of the fun of being a football supporter, however.

We invest our time, money and emotions in our club. We get an awful lot in return, if we're lucky, and this last season we got returns in spades. Spare a thought, by the way, for those decent, genuine supporters of less successful clubs who will never get to experience a tenth of what we got this season.

As part of the supporter contract, however, we get to talk complete bollocks on stuff about which, comparatively, we know very little. Please don't tell me that's wrong. The fifteen year old who wants Ronaldinho will learn, in time. He will learn by listening to other supporters talking a slightly less pungent form of bollocks. Eventually, Rafa will do or say something that will, hopefully, enlighten us all.

Until then, I'll defend any supporters right to be ignorant and ill informed. Explain why they are wrong by all means. But don't stop the talk.

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2005, 11:36:25 am »
Explain why they are wrong by all means. But don't stop the talk.

Spot on.
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2005, 11:39:25 am »
Excellent Paul :thumbup

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2005, 11:47:54 am »
I don't think this article is asking people to stop discussing, but more an observation, as it starts with the words "i've noticed a pattern", and ends with a humourous note on selecting a player based on all common complaints.  I do agree with Cookie, Corkboy and Ruudfoot, but perhaps these arguments may be better placed in the stop the moaning- Crouch thread.  Maybe I am wrong.
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2005, 11:54:45 am »
Brilliant Paul. Thoroughly enjoyed it! ;D

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2005, 11:55:09 am »

As part of the supporter contract, however, we get to talk complete bollocks on stuff about which, comparatively, we know very little. Please don't tell me that's wrong.

Agree, good article as ever Paul but there is this little matter that i feel i should comment on. We are of course allowed our opinions, we are 'just fans' but we do watch an awful lot of football, we do read a hell of alot of articles, opinions, viewpoints etc etc so i think we are allowed to voice our opinions and not be branded as clueless, even concerns over potential signings.

Yes Rafa will possibly have seen a lot of video's of players etc but we have also seen alot ourselves - that's not to be discounted. As was mentioned in the article, we don't know how anyone is going to do - i don't think its necessarily wrong to be edgy when a new signing comes in who has previously unimpressed a chosen individual. Of course support is what its all about but ultimately we want the best for the team - reservations are not signs of bad support i think its just natural to be protective over the side as a whole. Me with Crouch for example, i didn't want it to happen etc but now that it looks imminent, fine i accept it and i hope he does well, but it doesn't stop me from being concerned at the fact we are signing him after we've seen him struggle previously. Its a gamble as always i just hope that Rafa really does know exactly what he's getting or hoping to get out of him.

Plenty of fans spout utter shite, thats people for you but there are plenty on here who do know their stuff too - negative or positive i think we only prosper from hearing each side - otherwise we'd all be walking around with the rose tints on now wouldn't we.
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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2005, 11:57:01 am »
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Is Peter Crouch worth £7m? If he is to Rafa, then he is to me. (Unless I'm being asked to foot the full bill; in which case he's a lanky streak of piss, and I can spare a fiver at most.)

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Re: Liverpool's Summer Transfer Activity Explained
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2005, 12:03:26 pm »
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According to those criteria, the best signing the club has made in the last 20 years is...







... Harry Kewell.


 :duh :lmao

A cracking, timely piece.

Mind you, I still have hope for Kewell, a last chance salon.   :wave