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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #40 on: May 9, 2016, 08:16:26 am »
I couldn't bring myself to watch it. It's probably only since 2012 that I have realised that I am still traumatised by the disaster itself and my feelings of guilt in the years since.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #41 on: May 9, 2016, 08:31:09 am »
A tough watch that just made me angrier and angrier by the minute. The moment I see that face of, and I can bring myself to even type his name, their police federation representative  it makes my blood boil. He is a disgrace to humanity.

It also reminded me how much of a hero Prof Scraton is. Without him, amongst others, we would not be where we are today. A truly great man with a razor sharp brain and a sense of justice that drove him to enormous lengths. His book is a must read for anyone.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #42 on: May 9, 2016, 08:39:20 am »
http://www.terrisus.com/misc/Hillsborough.mp4

 Thankyou for putting that up mate.  For ex-pats like myself and other overseas fans I'm sure that it's much appreciated.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #43 on: May 9, 2016, 09:19:05 am »
Harrowing,Graphic & extremely emotional to watch.

Lets be very clear,without the work undertaken by Phil Scraton we may have waited another generation to get Justice.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #44 on: May 9, 2016, 09:28:13 am »
some disturbing scenes in it.

cant imagine what people went through that day and in the years since
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« Reply #45 on: May 9, 2016, 09:30:14 am »
Incredible piece of work.  The dignity shown by family members and survivors was truly humbling.

From the policeman who had a breakdown to Tony Evans shouting 'would you do that? Then why would you think I would!', this will long live in the memory from anyone who watched it.

Special mention to Phil Scraton - what a man.  The Truth may never have been known in any of our lifetimes.  Thank you for your tireless work.

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« Reply #46 on: May 9, 2016, 09:40:22 am »
Massive respect to Prof Scraton and the families. The obstacles they had to, and did, overcome to get the truth is incredible.

Even a small thing like the statements being dumped in the boxes had me seething. The people responsible deserve total contempt.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #47 on: May 9, 2016, 10:30:53 am »
You avoid posting in here because you just don't know what to say. You post in other threads and think others will have their say in this thread. But it's important that we bump it. We all should have watched it. Harrowing.

Yes. This.

Also, I'd like to add a word of warning to anybody who hasn't watched it yet: this film makes for a really difficult and uncomfortable viewing. I felt a tightening across my chest at certain moments last night, especially during the first hour. I've never suffered from panic attacks or anything like that; however, watching certain parts of this film brought back memories of being on a packed football terrace during the 1980s. I was lucky that day in April 1989, I was in the North Stand but had mates on Leppings Lane. I didn't experience half of what they went through, but it takes little imagination to put yourself in that end, behind that goal. With those unlawfully killed people. Even on the Anfield Kop, during the early 80s as a kid, I've had that feeling that the pressure was never going to cease and that I could be crushed against the barrier. A fleeting thought that was easily repressed because of past experience: you knew it would eventually ease off. Somebody older, more experienced, would highlight your plight, make space so you could manoeuvre your way clear from the worst of it. Or you could duck under the barrier if need be. Get your back against that firm steel holding back the pressure of the sway and the push. You'd catch up with your mates later. You knew they'd be okay too.

Think that's why I instinctively held my hand against my chest watching it last night during the scenes behind the goal. The Missus was alarmed for a second. Even though I was lucky not to be on Leppings Lane, (long story) I can still imagine being on that terrace. Up until yesterday, I could never really imagine those fans' final moments. Still really can't. However, this film comes as close as anything to giving you the chance to do so. It's that harrowing. Don't watch if you're easily upset or easily distressed. The warnings beforehand don't fully capture this film's power, or ability to put you at the heart of this tragedy. I don't know what it was like to watch for people who didn't attend the game that day. To be on that pitch within minutes of the players leaving for the changing rooms, like I was, looking for friends, arguing with ineffectual police, trying your best to be of help...It was extraordinary powerful and emotional. For me, this was the most difficult watch on the whole subject I've seen in 27 years.

And that's just the first half. What the families went through is incomprehensible.   

What this film also reveals, and it can't be stated enough: this tragedy occurred because those poor people being crushed to death on the Leppings Lane terrace were not thought of as human beings by the authorities, with a range of inalienable human rights. They were football fans first. Human beings second. A striking distinction during the 1980s. Something you took for granted as you travelled the length and breadth of the country back then. And something you rarely questioned, unless you wanted a copper's truncheon waved in yer face. As a football fan, your were stripped of most of your rights. That's why people were allowed to die. That they were from Liverpool, or associated in some way with the city, made the task of blaming the fans easier. We were reviled by Thatcher's government. A city fit to fall into managed decline...Who would give a fuck about them! Football fans. Scousers. Liverpool fans. The low of the low. That was why the cover-up, the conspiracy, the perversion of justice was allowed to continue for so long.

Watching this, you will cry with rage. Cry with pity. Cry with sympathy for the deceased and their families. Cry with disbelief. Cry with exasperation. Cry with joy at the verdict of the inquest. Then, return to rage again. The emotion that is most difficult for me to overcome.

I literally had to get that off my chest.

This too:

Harrowing,Graphic & extremely emotional to watch.

Lets be very clear,without the work undertaken by Phil Scraton we may have waited another generation to get Justice.

No words could ever explain our profound gratitude for this great man.

Thoroughly deserving the freedom of everything associated with Liverpool,our club,our fans & the wider community who have supported the cause.


The city council need to get its act together sharpish.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #48 on: May 9, 2016, 10:31:57 am »
Deeply, deeply moving and extremely well made

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« Reply #49 on: May 9, 2016, 10:34:38 am »
Just watched it

Required viewing I think

Even when you believe you've heard the worst, the accounts of identification are an absolute punch to the guts. Don't think anyone with a heart could watch that and still wonder why the fight for justice persisted for so long, and in the face if so many setbacks.

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« Reply #50 on: May 9, 2016, 11:27:21 am »
Difficult viewing but it needs to be seen to help spread the truth

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #51 on: May 9, 2016, 11:31:44 am »
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Crackin post.

Not sure how the ball roll with stuff like that but yep,Phil Scraton deserves recognition.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #52 on: May 9, 2016, 02:26:42 pm »
Made the new girlfriend watch it, shes a Hammers fan and had heard and seen the details of the inquiry, she sat there crying at the documentary, the fans, the ordinary bobbies, the families, she could not believe what she was watching, a must watch but bloody difficult one, had nightmares last night which is the first for a lot of years, i just hope they get the fuckers before they all pop off, Paul Middup is the one i want to see fucked over, his manner, his attitude got me really going last night i forgot about that ghet
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #53 on: May 9, 2016, 03:09:24 pm »
Made the new girlfriend watch it, shes a Hammers fan and had heard and seen the details of the inquiry, she sat there crying at the documentary, the fans, the ordinary bobbies, the families, she could not believe what she was watching, a must watch but bloody difficult one, had nightmares last night which is the first for a lot of years, i just hope they get the fuckers before they all pop off, Paul Middup is the one i want to see fucked over, his manner, his attitude got me really going last night i forgot about that ghet
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #54 on: May 9, 2016, 03:14:00 pm »
I've seen pictures and videos of the day before and its never been an easy watch, but last night the footage went to another level. As someone who wasn't there I've always struggled to comprehend how and why people couldn't get out and why the pressure wasn't relieved quicker when gates were opened. Last nights footage answered that, I felt sick watching it and had tears down my face, it answered all the questions I had asked myself about it. There was a particular clip that tore me apart and that was when the gate was opened and people were so crushed that the physically couldn't move through it.

I'm not intelligent enough to have the superlatives to describe my respect and admiration for all those there that day, I cant begin to imagine what you've felt and had to deal with for 27 years. Know this, the truth is out and you are finally recognised as the heroes you've been for all this time. I don't know what else I can write other than congratulations (if that is the right word) for having the strength to live and fight for all this time.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #55 on: May 9, 2016, 03:53:29 pm »
Yes. This.

Also, I'd like to add a word of warning to anybody who hasn't watched it yet: this film makes for a really difficult and uncomfortable viewing. I felt a tightening across my chest at certain moments last night, especially during the first hour. I've never suffered from panic attacks or anything like that; however, watching certain parts of this film brought back memories of being on a packed football terrace during the 1980s. I was lucky that day in April 1989, I was in the North Stand but had mates on Leppings Lane. I didn't experience half of what they went through, but it takes little imagination to put yourself in that end, behind that goal. With those unlawfully killed people. Even on the Anfield Kop, during the early 80s as a kid, I've had that feeling that the pressure was never going to cease and that I could be crushed against the barrier. A fleeting thought that was easily repressed because of past experience: you knew it would eventually ease off. Somebody older, more experienced, would highlight your plight, make space so you could manoeuvre your way clear from the worst of it. Or you could duck under the barrier if need be. Get your back against that firm steel holding back the pressure of the sway and the push. You'd catch up with your mates later. You knew they'd be okay too.

Think that's why I instinctively held my hand against my chest watching it last night during the scenes behind the goal. The Missus was alarmed for a second. Even though I was lucky not to be on Leppings Lane, (long story) I can still imagine being on that terrace. Up until yesterday, I could never really imagine those fans' final moments. Still really can't. However, this film comes as close as anything to giving you the chance to do so. It's that harrowing. Don't watch if you're easily upset or easily distressed. The warnings beforehand don't fully capture this film's power, or ability to put you at the heart of this tragedy. I don't know what it was like to watch for people who didn't attend the game that day. To be on that pitch within minutes of the players leaving for the changing rooms, like I was, looking for friends, arguing with ineffectual police, trying your best to be of help...It was extraordinary powerful and emotional. For me, this was the most difficult watch on the whole subject I've seen in 27 years.

And that's just the first half. What the families went through is incomprehensible.   

What this film also reveals, and it can't be stated enough: this tragedy occurred because those poor people being crushed to death on the Leppings Lane terrace were not thought of as human beings by the authorities, with a range of inalienable human rights. They were football fans first. Human beings second. A striking distinction during the 1980s. Something you took for granted as you travelled the length and breadth of the country back then. And something you rarely questioned, unless you wanted a copper's truncheon waved in yer face. As a football fan, your were stripped of most of your rights. That's why people were allowed to die. That they were from Liverpool, or associated in some way with the city, made the task of blaming the fans easier. We were reviled by Thatcher's government. A city fit to fall into managed decline...Who would give a fuck about them! Football fans. Scousers. Liverpool fans. The low of the low. That was why the cover-up, the conspiracy, the perversion of justice was allowed to continue for so long.

Watching this, you will cry with rage. Cry with pity. Cry with sympathy for the deceased and their families. Cry with disbelief. Cry with exasperation. Cry with joy at the verdict of the inquest. Then, return to rage again. The emotion that is most difficult for me to overcome.

I literally had to get that off my chest.

This too:

The city council need to get its act together sharpish.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

We can't thank him enough. Thanks Phil. 

That's a heck of a post; I saw us play Wednesday at Hillsborough in January '89 and stood and swayed and was pushed and squeezed in those pens. I've read so much over the years, but I haven't watched the documentary. I've recorded it, but I'm not sure that I ever will watch it, just reading this thread leaves me emotionally drained. I've never watched the Jimmy McGovern drama for precisely the same reasons.


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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #56 on: May 9, 2016, 03:54:35 pm »
Thankyou for putting that up mate.  For ex-pats like myself and other overseas fans I'm sure that it's much appreciated.

Not a problem at all, I'm just glad to be able to help.
I'm in the US myself, so I wasn't able to see it initially. And I'm just glad to help others see it.

Some quick stats from last night/this morning (and these are somewhat rough data points - not exact, but general), so far it has received views (more specifically, full view of the entire video) from:
US: 2900 (I suspect this number may be off a bit)
Great Britain (that's how my webhost groups it) : 530
Ireland: 114
Canada: 82
Portugal: 43
Indonesia: 23
Italy: 19
Germany: 17
Malaysia: 16
Puerto Rico: 16
Slovak Republic: 13
Belgium: 12
Australia: 12
Norway: 11
Chile: 10
Nepal: 9
Netherlands: 8
Sweden: 8
Austria: 7
Ecuador: 4
France: 3
South Korea: 3
Spain: 2
Greece: 2
Ukraine: 2
And various other countries at around 2-3 each
"Other"/not providing country data (note: Search engine crawls are not included in this) : 239

Again, this is rough data. I suspect the first couple of countries are off a bit, based on other data I have available.
But, the point of this is to illustrate not only Reds around the world (we're in a bunch of places, obviously), but the range that is being reached by this film finally revealing the whole truth.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #57 on: May 9, 2016, 04:10:43 pm »
Watched 10 mins. Had to switch off. Just too much to take after what has gone on in the last 3 weeks. Its been the worst period since the Disaster... Just too many bad memories all round.

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« Reply #58 on: May 9, 2016, 04:14:41 pm »
Was absolutely wrecked after watching it last night and couldn't sleep properly.

Have no words to explain how proud I feel of those who fought & brought justice for the 96.

Almost 3 decades of peoples lives spent fighting.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #59 on: May 9, 2016, 04:27:37 pm »
The documentary is being screened at the Queens film theatre in Belfast tomorrow at 6pm followed by a discussion with Daniel Gordon (producer/director) and Prof. Scraton.
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« Reply #60 on: May 9, 2016, 04:41:13 pm »
That's a heck of a post; I saw us play Wednesday at Hillsborough in January '89 and stood and swayed and was pushed and squeezed in those pens. I've read so much over the years, but I haven't watched the documentary. I've recorded it, but I'm not sure that I ever will watch it, just reading this thread leaves me emotionally drained. I've never watched the Jimmy McGovern drama for precisely the same reasons.



Michael, my intention was not to put anybody off watching this film. I've seen McGovern's Hillsborough twice and found it difficult to watch on both occasions, but this is something else. I'd read a bit about this film, but I didn't think it would have such a powerful impact on me, personally. I think I might have swerved it yesterday - perhaps watched it at a later date - but the Missus turned it on and, weirdly, I felt duty-bound to watch. She was a wreck afterwards, too, like most of the people on this thread who have watched it. It can't be downplayed how incredibly visceral this film is. Difficult to sleep last night - even taking into account the heat - and it's been on my mind all day too.   

Would I ever watch this documentary again? No. Probably not. It's superbly made. It's unflinching. It's necessary. But once is enough for me, I think. 


Not sure how the ball roll with stuff like that but yep,Phil Scraton deserves recognition.

I emailed Joe Anderson earlier.

Good idea, mate. Will try and contact Anderson myself and suggest some sort of recognition.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #61 on: May 9, 2016, 04:46:44 pm »
its here to see on BBC iplayer for those who have not seen it or would like to see again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07bgnkn/hillsborough

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #62 on: May 9, 2016, 04:47:46 pm »
Michael, my intention was not to put anybody off watching this film.

You haven't mate, don't worry. :wave

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« Reply #63 on: May 9, 2016, 04:49:32 pm »
It's been haunting me since last night.  I am sure I saw a picture of my husband lying on the ground outside the Leppings Lane end - totally convinced it was him.  I already knew that he had been put there after being taken out of the pen through the tunnel.

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« Reply #64 on: May 9, 2016, 04:56:24 pm »
That's a heck of a post; I saw us play Wednesday at Hillsborough in January '89 and stood and swayed and was pushed and squeezed in those pens. I've read so much over the years, but I haven't watched the documentary. I've recorded it, but I'm not sure that I ever will watch it, just reading this thread leaves me emotionally drained. I've never watched the Jimmy McGovern drama for precisely the same reasons.


Same here mate. Recorded Jimmy McGovern's Hillsborough on vhs when it first came on Ch4. Never watched it. Kept putting it off for years. When it was repeated recently I recorded it on the hard drive. Still can't get into the right frame of mind to watch it though. Last night's documentary is recorded because I wanted my wife to watch it with me. She's not a scouser and knows most of the story but she wasn't there. I was. I was in the North Stand and watched the horror unfold. After being in the Leppings lane the year before and experiencing the uncomfortable crushing then I only had a vague idea of having the weight of the crowd bearing down on me. I was lucky. From the North Stand I could only watch. I was too far back to warrant running onto the pitch to help. To be honest I imagined that I'd be arrested or worse by the line of coppers on the half way line. I feel so guilty when I hear tales of supporters trying to save lives while I just stood and gawped. I witnessed our fans ferrying the dying on makeshift stretchers across the pitch and 27 years later I hate myself for not being one of them (even though they would probably swap places with me in a blink of the eye!) That's how fucked up it is!
My wife said she doesn't want to watch the documentary as she 'knows' all about it. 😞
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #65 on: May 9, 2016, 05:00:08 pm »
Actually seen that documentary before on ESPN or somewhere.

Harrowing.

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« Reply #66 on: May 9, 2016, 05:02:14 pm »
Not a problem at all, I'm just glad to be able to help.

Thanks from me too mate. I haven't watched it yet but at least I know it's there for viewing now. Appreciate it.
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« Reply #67 on: May 9, 2016, 05:04:05 pm »
Downloading this from the link thoughtfully provided by terrisus.

Not sure how much of it I'll be able to watch.  I was 15 when Hillsborough happened.  I'm not a match goer but I knew plenty of lads in school who were and went to the game.

I'm not sure whether it's my current mental health or whether this event somehow traumatised me without my even realising it but I struggle to engage in anything Hillsborough-related these days.  I understand what happened intellectually and prefer to leave it at that rather than endure the grief and rage programmes like this evoke.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #68 on: May 9, 2016, 05:07:22 pm »
Isn't this the same documentary on ESPN and Netflix?

If it is, then it is brilliantly done and shows the harrowing stuff happened for decent people who have done nothing but just wanted to go to a football match.

Phil Scraton deserves a lot of credit for the work he has done.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #69 on: May 9, 2016, 05:13:15 pm »
Isn't this the same documentary on ESPN and Netflix?

If it is, then it is brilliantly done and shows the harrowing stuff happened for decent people who have done nothing but just wanted to go to a football match.

Phil Scraton deserves a lot of credit for the work he has done.

it is with some extra bits and a new ending
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #70 on: May 9, 2016, 05:19:06 pm »
it is with some extra bits and a new ending
I think ESPN showed a new ending on the day of the verdict saying that they have been judged to have been unlawfully killed.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #71 on: May 9, 2016, 05:20:34 pm »
It's been haunting me since last night.  I am sure I saw a picture of my husband lying on the ground outside the Leppings Lane end - totally convinced it was him.  I already knew that he had been put there after being taken out of the pen through the tunnel.

I couldn't sleep last night.

You take care of yourself.

I watched it last night. Anne Williams gave my wife some photos of Kevin - Anne had needed to use them in her long battle for justice - that conveyed in stills some of the horror you saw on that documentary last night. It broke both our hearts that this woman had to see this, weekly, perhaps daily - these photos that showed her son dying. And all because SYP were so keen to protect their own incompetent commanders and their own reputation that they would not put their hands up at the start and say sorry. Without having to fight Anne would have been able to grieve normally, as would all the families. Because of SYP the pain of loss became a permanent weeping anguish. - Never forget, never forgive.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #72 on: May 9, 2016, 05:24:05 pm »
You take care of yourself.


Amen to that - it's been posted a few times in here today. This thread in the Hillsborough board might be of some help;

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=117311.0

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #73 on: May 9, 2016, 05:34:29 pm »
Isn't this the same documentary on ESPN and Netflix?

I think ESPN showed a new ending on the day of the verdict saying that they have been judged to have been unlawfully killed.

There's much more than that. Scenes of the families awaiting and reacting to the verdict, etc.
Even if the beginning looks familiar, there's a decent amount new at the end that you would be remiss not to watch.

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #74 on: May 9, 2016, 06:07:49 pm »
You avoid posting in here because you just don't know what to say. You post in other threads and think others will have their say in this thread. But it's important that we bump it. We all should have watched it. Harrowing.
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It just upset me to think that it could be my kids in that situation, and then being accused of anything and everything...
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #75 on: May 9, 2016, 08:53:59 pm »
It's been haunting me since last night.  I am sure I saw a picture of my husband lying on the ground outside the Leppings Lane end - totally convinced it was him.  I already knew that he had been put there after being taken out of the pen through the tunnel.

I couldn't sleep last night.

This post has just made my blood freeze. I can't begin to think what that feels like. I feel for you.

The film of the opening of Gate C haunts me too. I can never see myself but I know I'll be on that film as I must have been one of the first couple of hundred through.


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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #76 on: May 9, 2016, 09:19:34 pm »
What an incredibly powerful yet deeply disturbing documentary last night,I have to be honest I am eaten up with pure rage today obviously against the police and the establishment for the years of lies upon lies and the monstrous cover up but more rage is because how fucking easily this disaster should never have happened I am full of what ifs,and if onlys,If only Mole hadn't being moved,if only Duckenfield hadn't being promoted,if only those fucking incompetent bastards had sealed the central pens which they had done countless times before,if only they directed fans to the outer pens which were empty,if only the pens weren't fucking death traps,if only the pens weren't fenced off and as Phil Scraton said the crowd would naturally have spread out to the empty wings of the terraces.John Motson pointing out that he couldn't understand why the wings were empty yet the middle death trap pens were full.If only the incompetents in the control tower with a birds eye view of the terrace and banks of Cctv cameras could see what John Motson saw.If only the authorities had done the bare minimum that fateful day to look after our fans safety this disaster would never have happened,RIP the 96 gone but never ever forgotten.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #77 on: May 9, 2016, 11:52:09 pm »
Just finished watching it, that was very difficult. I feel sick and I have a headache and I've been crying. Can't imagine what it would be like for anyone who was there or had loved ones who were there.

Very, very powerful.
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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2016, 12:08:51 am »
Could someone please make this available outside the uk,iPlayer isnt working for me in belgium. JFT 96 .

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Re: Hillsborough Documentary on now.
« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2016, 12:12:06 am »
Thank-you for the many kind and thoughtful comments. It's hard to find words that adequately respond to the many posts here, direct emails received and what I hear has been tweeted (I don't have a Twitter account). The last weeks have been surreal. After working every day on the inquests, either in Warrington or at my desk, I hadn't prepared for such an overwhelming and just outcome. So used to the knock-backs I never allowed myself to believe a verdict so comprehensively constructed, laying responsibility at the feet of those whose negligence caused the deaths (although the FA have come out of it unscathed - so far).

From the conclusion of the Panel, where I had primary responsibility for writing the report, through to the conclusion of the inquests, I worried constantly that allowing the police to run the very myths and lies that had been previously discredited would drag out the inquests over two years and persuade the jury to hold fans partly responsible. By implication that would mean survivors. Such a verdict would have reversed the Panel's findings. It didn't happen and the narrative verdict was as strong as the short-form verdict of unlawful killing.

Over the next days Dan Gordon flew back from SA, where he was filming, to add a new ending to the film and ensure that the truncated US version (on youtube - 45 mins - 15 mins edited out for adverts!!!) once-and-for-all would be replaced by a full updated version with the inquest verdicts added. Not only is it a brilliant film visually and in its interviews (note it doesn't have a commentary!) but it is so well edited. The section that bind Middup and Patnick together is so powerful ... but such fine editing continues throughout. The reception for its première in Sheffield on Friday was really positive, and in Liverpool on Saturday. Dan flies to Belfast for tomorrow's screening. Having said all that, I realise that for many reading this, sitting through the film after all you've been through is not possible.

Since the BBC2 screening, the response universally has been incredible. From me, my partner Deena and our Sean and Paul (you might have seen his 96 blog - 27 Years - at underagreysky, recounting our family's journey), all I can say is thank-you. Thank-you for the support and encouragement down the years, especially during those overcast days when the only end in sight was desolate as more family members and survivors passed away. They were the times of momentary isolation - criticisms from those in authority who should have known better to death threats - days covered by a seemingly impenetrable cloud.

But throughout, one thing I knew for sure, I hadn't survived Pens 3 or 4 - with the horror of near-death and the guilt brought on by survival knowing others around me, my mates, died. I wasn't a parent, brother, son who searched in vain to find my loved one only to be confronted by polaroid photographs and body bag in an old gymnasium. I wasn't waiting at home on the end of a phone fearing the worst.

Whatever we have experienced through 27 years, however difficult and desperate, it is none of those dreadful experiences. And I believe that has shaped our collective endeavour ... to try to understand with compassion and care the lives and experiences of those fine people who have lost so much, for whom there can never be 'closure'. It is to ensure that Justice for the 96 is more than a wish. It has to be a reality. With great respect to all of you who in whatever way have carried that torch. In this journey no-one should be left walking alone.

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