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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #160 on: April 18, 2017, 11:43:16 am »
Best scenario we can hope for, no majority +every pro Brexit MP kicked out for being lying ba...
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Re: General Election on June 8th
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #162 on: April 18, 2017, 11:43:18 am »
can the tories call a vote of no confidence in the government if they don't get the 2/3s?

Yes, but I guess that would be the last resort. The other option is a simple one-clause, one-time bill to bypass the FTPA. Still has to go through the commons though but if it failed it would be less damaging than losing a no-confidence vote in yourself which is all kinds of mad.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #163 on: April 18, 2017, 11:43:32 am »
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Tories win some seats in Scotland.

Yeah they will likely pick up another seat or 2 in Borders and Aberdeenshire. Labour will likely lose their only seat, Lib Dems only seat could go either way.

Other than that I'm pretty sure it will be all SNP.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #165 on: April 18, 2017, 11:44:25 am »
Labour should make sure there are TV debates.

Definitely. Play to Corbyn's strong point.....

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #166 on: April 18, 2017, 11:44:34 am »
Labour should make sure there are TV debates.

Definitely, I mean those Labour leadership debates were a rip-roaring success weren't they?...

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #167 on: April 18, 2017, 11:44:54 am »
Labour should make sure there are TV debates.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #168 on: April 18, 2017, 11:45:11 am »
Fuck me that will be a right laugh.

Tell me about it.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #169 on: April 18, 2017, 11:45:27 am »
Don't blame me I voted for Jeremy Corbyn!!

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #170 on: April 18, 2017, 11:45:28 am »
Labour should make sure there are TV debates.

Why? Corbyn is rubbish at them. Even worse than May is not very good. Tim Fallon will probably out-perform them, and he is not much cop either.

If the SNP insert themselves, then they are likely to be the big winners.

Hopefully UKIP would be shut out as they have no MPs, but the meff would screw it up any way.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #171 on: April 18, 2017, 11:45:30 am »
Labour should make sure there are TV debates.

Unless Theresa May starts shitting on the stage that definitely won't help them.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #172 on: April 18, 2017, 11:45:36 am »
At least we get to start afresh on June 9, pity though as I expect a bloodbath in the polls.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #173 on: April 18, 2017, 11:45:45 am »
Labour should make sure there are TV debates.
God help Corbyn, the debates are going to be brutal. the public wont pull any punches.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #174 on: April 18, 2017, 11:46:26 am »
Definitely, I mean those Labour leadership debates were a rip-roaring success weren't they?...

Jeremy would swipe the floor with her.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #175 on: April 18, 2017, 11:46:54 am »
Jeremy would swipe the floor with her.


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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #176 on: April 18, 2017, 11:49:52 am »
Jeremy would swipe the floor with her.

Stealing the floor isn't going to improve his chances.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #177 on: April 18, 2017, 11:50:43 am »


Compare and contrast. I know exactly what the LibDems stand for. Labour? Words. Lots of words.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #178 on: April 18, 2017, 11:50:50 am »
Jeremy would swipe the floor with her.

Hahahahahahahaha.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #179 on: April 18, 2017, 11:51:01 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015_by_parliamentary_constituency

Gonna be a lot of blue in those swing seats I reckon.  Don't be surprised if you see some UKIP candidates not placed in those.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #180 on: April 18, 2017, 11:51:29 am »
This is a horribly blatant power grab by the Tories

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #181 on: April 18, 2017, 11:52:09 am »
God help Corbyn, the debates are going to be brutal. the public wont pull any punches.

Only if he turns up. It would be full on Corbyn to ignore the debate and hold an alternative event preaching to a couple of hundred of the converted.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #182 on: April 18, 2017, 11:52:13 am »
Fair point. Labour are in a dire position; face electorial disaster or be seen as not wanting to win power. I think it's better to grit their teeth and vote this one through, the Tories will win this but it's the right decision for Labour long-term in my opinion.

It's not only about the election, it's about after. How do Labour align themselves now, given by far their best chance is some kind of coalition with one or more anti-Brexit parties? Go back on their word to support Brexit or not? In the realms of fantasy I'd laugh my tits off if a Labour/SNP anti-Brexit coalition came about, led by the SNP leader because Labour europhiles backed them rather than Corbyn.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #183 on: April 18, 2017, 11:53:06 am »
She's seen the US and Turkey and thinks now is a good time to capitalize on stupidity, they might wake up in two years.



It probably also gnaws on her that she is not a properly elected PM.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #184 on: April 18, 2017, 11:54:45 am »
I can't not vote for Luciana Berger, I'm afraid. But this hammering that's coming - that's on you if you voted Corbyn for a second time.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #185 on: April 18, 2017, 11:55:19 am »
Corbyn went with the majority of the people on the vote, can't hold that against him, even though I have reservations about us leaving the EU - not as depressed as some in here over it as I can see positives from it.

So our glorious leader made sure that the most important issue at the heart of any election is one where there's no differentiation between Labour and the Tories.

As has been pointed out endlessly, the opposition don't just go along with the result of any election or a referendum. That's why they are the opposition and not the government. By definition, the opposition will have lost the last vote and will have policies that didn't get them elected.

Labour (in theory) fought the referendum as a party that supported Europe and our leader (in theory) supported the remain Campaign. The fact that the vote was lost doesn't, or shouldn't change the party's position on Europe. Labour should have maintained it's position as the party of Europe with the obvious advantage that it would give them a clear point of difference to campaign for in any future election.

Instead Corbyn jumped where he obviously wanted to be anyway and Labour capitulated in the face of the threat of UKIP.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #186 on: April 18, 2017, 11:55:26 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015_by_parliamentary_constituency

Gonna be a lot of blue in those swing seats I reckon.  Don't be surprised if you see some UKIP candidates not placed in those.

I cannot see UKIP having much success at all. May has stolen the UKIP clothes. Recent polls suggest that she has pilfered 30% of the UKIP support. A Meff led UKIP is going to underperform compared to the Frottage high water mark.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #187 on: April 18, 2017, 11:55:51 am »
Jeremy welcomes the election.

He's probably looking forward to getting the Brexit he wants, and the early retirement and sweet pension he's going to receive. Plus the bonus salary he's been receiving from Public money for the half arsed job he's done for 18 months as leader.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #188 on: April 18, 2017, 11:56:43 am »
Jeremy would swipe the floor with her.

Please stop...
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #189 on: April 18, 2017, 11:56:55 am »
which ape do we vote? I hope there is a "political gem" that comes out in the coming weeks
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #190 on: April 18, 2017, 11:58:26 am »
This is a horribly blatant power grab by the Tories
It wouldn't be though if the Labour membership didn't have some time warp moment in 2015 and 2016 by electing Corbyn as leader twice. Now many are regretting it, well tough shit. Labour is going to get smashed because of it. Maybe this is a lesson for the future, elect someone who can get ELECTED!

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #191 on: April 18, 2017, 11:58:57 am »
Only if he turns up. It would be full on Corbyn to ignore the debate and hold an alternative event preaching to a couple of hundred of the converted.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #192 on: April 18, 2017, 12:00:08 pm »
Compare and contrast. I know exactly what the LibDems stand for. Labour? Words. Lots of words.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #193 on: April 18, 2017, 12:01:16 pm »
TV debates would be a disaster. His best stuff at PMQs has been when he can press her on one issue. When he has to think on his feet and address multiple issues he's dreadful.

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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #194 on: April 18, 2017, 12:01:39 pm »
Might have to go back to voting Lib Dem
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #195 on: April 18, 2017, 12:02:36 pm »
Has he ever been forced to stand in front of a hostile audience questioning his character and his ideology.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #196 on: April 18, 2017, 12:03:05 pm »
I cannot see UKIP having much success at all. May has stolen the UKIP clothes. Recent polls suggest that she has pilfered 30% of the UKIP support. A Meff led UKIP is going to underperform compared to the Frottage high water mark.
I do think some will move back to Labour from UKIP now the Brexit stuff is decided (kind of) but an awful lot more are going to shift to the Tories.  UKIP will still have some minor support from those who would have otherwise voted BNP a few years ago when the Twonk was in prominence so now they have to hide their racist undercurrents again in the "Rah Rah, Britain, You're Not A Patriot If You Don't Love EVERYTHING British And That Makes You A Horrible Person" party
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #197 on: April 18, 2017, 12:03:19 pm »
It would take an incredible game from the Lib Dems to even get close. But fuck it, if they fight for the things I believe must be fought for, then I'll add my name, for the first time in my life.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #198 on: April 18, 2017, 12:03:21 pm »


Just a reminder about the policy blitz:



Seems ok apart from the one at the bottom - the one about the keystone economic policy which has a 26% approval rating, a net disapproval of -7% with Corbyn as leader and 42% not having a clue what it means.
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Re: General Election on June 8th
« Reply #199 on: April 18, 2017, 12:03:46 pm »
I'm so fucking depressed.