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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #40 on: April 7, 2017, 03:50:51 pm »
Not really. I've been saying the same thing for the last 15 years.

I see the 'religion poisons everything' Hitchens stance. But it would only need to more homegrown terrorism if we outright banned religion.

Cut a crap,we all know when they release guy name it wont be Swedish

By 'Swedish', do you mean 'white'?

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #41 on: April 7, 2017, 03:51:22 pm »
Sure they were

Because they weren't white Christians?  Sorry if that's a big leap but feel free to clarify.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #42 on: April 7, 2017, 03:51:27 pm »
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #43 on: April 7, 2017, 03:52:15 pm »
It can only be dealt at the source of the problem,cut the snake head

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #44 on: April 7, 2017, 03:52:59 pm »
It can only be dealt at the source of the problem,cut the snake head
What do you mean by cut the snake head?
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #45 on: April 7, 2017, 03:53:31 pm »
Sure they were

Umm, they were. If you won't accept facts then your opinion carries absolutely zero weight.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #46 on: April 7, 2017, 03:53:35 pm »
Yeah mass organized rape attack on hundreds of woman is nothing.You right it should be just shrugged off

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #47 on: April 7, 2017, 03:53:59 pm »
Because they weren't white Christians?  Sorry if that's a big leap but feel free to clarify.
Because they come to France or Germany or take your example but they dont felt french or german,Countries that take them they consider enemy.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #48 on: April 7, 2017, 03:55:49 pm »
I see the 'religion poisons everything' Hitchens stance. But it would only need to more homegrown terrorism if we outright banned religion.

I know. Problem is, we have something that literally fuels a large percentage of violence in the world but won't do anything about it through fear of violence. Vicious circle. Either do fuck all and carry on as we are or actually do something about it and  eventually eliminate the problem with reprisals. Rock/hard place scenario.

On another note, my bird has just text me to say there's been a 'suspect package' found in Coventry and they've closed a street.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #49 on: April 7, 2017, 03:56:40 pm »
You're on a forum who's city was built on immigrants.  :D

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #50 on: April 7, 2017, 03:56:49 pm »
Because they come to France or Germany or take your example but they dont felt french or german,Countries that take them they consider enemy.

The bloke who carried out the Westminster attack was born in Britain and had lived here all his life. Sorry that that doesn't fit your agenda.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #51 on: April 7, 2017, 03:59:03 pm »
I know. Problem is, we have something that literally fuels a large percentage of violence in the world but won't do anything about it through fear of violence. Vicious circle. Either do fuck all and carry on as we are or actually do something about it and  eventually eliminate the problem with reprisals. Rock/hard place scenario.

On another note, my bird has just text me to say there's been a 'suspect package' found in Coventry and they've closed a street.
You can't ban religion... it's a matter of personal expression, it just won't work..  religiosity dips with social security ... it takes away the psycological need for a safety net ...

A suspect package in Coventry?  A book?
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #52 on: April 7, 2017, 04:02:22 pm »
Can we focus on the important issues first?

Yes, it is highly probable that this will be another ISIS inspired vehicle attack but the first concern should be for the people who have been killed and injured.

There will be plenty of time to fight over the moral high ground once the facts become clear and the injured have been treated.

If you have nothing useful to say it's quite acceptable to say nothing.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #53 on: April 7, 2017, 04:02:53 pm »
You can't ban religion... it's a matter of personal expression, it just won't work..  religiosity dips with social security ... it takes away the psycological need for a safety net ...

A suspect package in Coventry?  A book?

I know mate. Don't want to derail the dark turn the thread has taken but I can't watch the news without thinking "Imagine if...".

While people in Coventry would legit shit themselves if they saw a book, or toothpaste, my bird has had to leave work so the bomb disposal guys can assess the situation. Fosehill Road apparently.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #54 on: April 7, 2017, 04:03:25 pm »
After seeing shit like this all over Europe non stop no wonder that right parties growing stronger,myself who always laughed to right wing bullshit,laugh no longer.Fucking Merkel commited suicide of Europe.Hope more countries gonna follow Hungary example and not allow anyone in.Enough already with stupid German,Austrian and Scandinavian policy to allow anyone in.

Politicising the deaths of people before their bodies are even cold or the full details are known is fucking disgusting, in my opinion.

EDIT: Sorry saw this post after I had posted:
Can we focus on the important issues first?

Yes, it is highly probable that this will be another ISIS inspired vehicle attack but the first concern should be for the people who have been killed and injured.

There will be plenty of time to fight over the moral high ground once the facts become clear and the injured have been treated.

If you have nothing useful to say it's quite acceptable to say nothing.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #55 on: April 7, 2017, 04:05:22 pm »
Politicising the deaths of people before their bodies are even cold or the full details are known is fucking disgusting, in my opinion.

EDIT: Sorry saw this post after I had posted:

No problem mate. I agree with you.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #56 on: April 7, 2017, 04:05:44 pm »
After seeing shit like this all over Europe non stop no wonder that right parties growing stronger,myself who always laughed to right wing bullshit,laugh no longer.Fucking Merkel commited suicide of Europe.Hope more countries gonna follow Hungary example and not allow anyone in.Enough already with stupid German,Austrian and Scandinavian policy to allow anyone in.
Remember 1956 when 200,000 Hungarians fled the country as refugees

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #57 on: April 7, 2017, 04:14:50 pm »
It has become such a common occurrence that when it says "only" 3 dead, I feel relieved rather than sad.
What's easy to forget though is that these three people had family, loved ones, friends, colleagues, clients etc. And now they are gone. There are many people suffering from this.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #58 on: April 7, 2017, 04:17:07 pm »
I know. Problem is, we have something that literally fuels a large percentage of violence in the world but won't do anything about it through fear of violence. Vicious circle. Either do fuck all and carry on as we are or actually do something about it and  eventually eliminate the problem with reprisals. Rock/hard place scenario.

On another note, my bird has just text me to say there's been a 'suspect package' found in Coventry and they've closed a street.

It's probably the Check a Trade Trophy.  Not seen one of those in Coventry in a while.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #59 on: April 7, 2017, 04:43:03 pm »
photo of arrested suspect is out. some reports suggest there may be a 2nd but not confirmed.


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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #60 on: April 7, 2017, 06:02:09 pm »
Sickening. Every time this sort of a vehicular attack happens, I cannot help but think what the hell is going on in the heads of the attackers - they must be genuinely insane to be able to continue driving through numerous people, including children. I just cannot comprehend it.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #61 on: April 7, 2017, 06:03:05 pm »
Sickening. Every time this sort of a vehicular attack happens, I cannot help but think what the hell is going on in the heads of the attackers - they must be genuinely insane to be able to continue driving to numerous people, including children. I just cannot comprehend it.
It's worse.. they are totally sane...
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #62 on: April 7, 2017, 06:08:20 pm »
You're on a forum who's city was built on immigrants.  :D

And supporting a team owned by foreigners, built around immigrants and managed by an immigrant, playing in a league chock full of loads of talented immigrants (many of them Muslim, including our wonderful Sadio and Emre).

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« Reply #63 on: April 7, 2017, 06:08:57 pm »
Sad for the victims. Hope the catch everyone involved. Should be a guaranteed murder/terrorism charge.

Today I realised the downside with working on the wrong side of the city. All the trains were cancelled. Long walk through the city. Not all bad though. Policemen (finally seen out) on the streets, helicopters in the air and people walking everywhere, checking their phones or calling friends for updates. Apart from the trains, the policemen and the number of people walking it was pretty much business as usual.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #64 on: April 7, 2017, 06:59:44 pm »
photo of arrested suspect is out. some reports suggest there may be a 2nd but not confirmed.



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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #65 on: April 7, 2017, 07:08:28 pm »
And supporting a team owned by foreigners, built around immigrants and managed by an immigrant, playing in a league chock full of loads of talented immigrants (many of them Muslim, including our wonderful Sadio and Emre).

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #66 on: April 7, 2017, 08:26:51 pm »
RIP to those that perished, hope the injured recover. 
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #67 on: April 7, 2017, 09:39:47 pm »
Hope that idiot above has been put on a time out, no place for the point scoring especially when he doesn't even want to acknowledge facts. Sadly these sort of attacks just encourage that sort to push their own nationalistic xenophobic/anti-immigrant agenda by creating massive overreactions and trying to driving fear into the easy led to make rash decisions.

RE: The Cologne attacks.. hasn't it been established that the large majority were NOT refugees..? Or do they run different stories on Brietbart and Infowars??

Anyway off topic sorry.

Like other crimes, you just cannot stop them all no matter how many Muslims you ban, deport or abuse. It's near impossible to police these lone wolf attacks. 
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #68 on: April 7, 2017, 09:42:56 pm »
Ban religion. Simples.

Won't happen but would eventually work.

Otherwise, just get out of the middle east. Leave them to it. Can't continue to be blamed forever if we're not there.

 Banning religion is every bit as illiberal and regressive as the worst aspects of religion itself. Obviously there are more problems with one religion more than the others at this moment in time but the solution isn't to outlaw it - never has been, never will be. We have to win hearts and minds and stand firm to what we believe; openness, tolerance, secularism, freedom of thought and freedom of expression. Betray that and what have we got?

 It'll be a dark day indeed when any European government decides what religion (or lack of religion) is acceptable in the eyes of the law. It is not an issue for the state to decide.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #69 on: April 8, 2017, 12:08:13 am »
Ban religion. Simples.

Won't happen but would eventually work.


It has happened, the Russians tried it during the communist era. It didn't work.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #70 on: April 8, 2017, 01:04:27 am »
The population of Europe is three-quarters of a million. They're going to have to go some to kill us all at this rate. Ray is absolutely right. This is militarily ineffective, it's just designed to provoke fear and over reaction.

I'm in London and the effect of the Westminster attacks on people's actual behaviour is... zero.

So true. (apart from the bit about the pop. of Europe being three-quarters of a million ;)  )

The fact that it is militarily ineffective is irellevent to those who carry out these atrocities. Each attack isn't designed to win any war. It's designed to be part of what eventually starts a war.
They are looking to create an us and them scenario. Muslims in one camp and everyone else in the other. They actually want us all to hate Muslims. They want fellow Muslims in western countries to feel marginalised and persecuted because it suits their agenda. They actively want mistrust and suspicion between the communities of western countries. This is the ultimate aim of these kinds of attacks, and it works too.

As you said; this is about creating fear and over-reaction. It's about polarising opinion and creating division.
What they are doing is indeed militarily ineffective, but their aim with these attacks is not military, it's psychological. On that score, it works. Well, it works on an ever increasing number of people, anyway. You see it in the attitudes of many who now look upon ordinary Muslims with suspicion, mistrust, and in some cases, open hostility. We won't win against this disgusting, stone-age ideology unless we all pull together. Their aim is to divide. Lets not give in to them by doing exactly what they want us to do.

Like you say; after attacks such as this, the population pretty much carry on living as they did the day before ... but with each incident attitudes often change and harden. Again, this is exactly what they want. It's mutual tolerance, understanding, acceptance and peaceful co-existence which they are looking to undermine.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #71 on: April 8, 2017, 01:06:45 am »
Ban religion. Simples.

Won't happen but would eventually work.

Otherwise, just get out of the middle east. Leave them to it. Can't continue to be blamed forever if we're not there.

That just fuels extremism.  We just need to wait for a time when people have enough evidence to blow any god theories out the window.

It wont happen in our lifetime, but it will eventually.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #72 on: April 8, 2017, 01:11:03 am »


The fact that it is militarily ineffective is irellevent to those who carry out these atrocities. Each attack isn't designed to win any war. It's designed to be part of what eventually starts a war.


Its relevant to those who get killed though mate, and all the families etc.

Are you suggesting these attacks dont have political motives?
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #73 on: April 8, 2017, 02:40:38 am »
Its relevant to those who get killed though mate, and all the families etc.

Are you suggesting these attacks dont have political motives?

No, I wasn't suggesting that the attacks do not have political (or maybe more accurately; ideological?) motives. Nor was I in any way suggesting the terrible loss of life has no relevance. Apologies if my post read that way.

What I was saying is that to the individuals who carry out such atrocities, it is not relevent to them if it is effective in a military sense because the purpose of the attacks are meant to be psychological and divisive. That is where their real battle ground is. To them, it's simply a means to an end. To us, to those who tragically lost their lives, and to their loved ones, it's all relevant. To those who value life and civilised society, it's all relevant. But to those who commit this kind of disgusting atrocity, it's just a means to an end. A way of polarising opinion, creating fear, mistrust, suspicion and division.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #74 on: April 8, 2017, 06:55:37 am »
That just fuels extremism.  We just need to wait for a time when people have enough evidence to blow any god theories out the window.

It wont happen in our lifetime, but it will eventually.

There is enough evidence out there to blow all religion out of the water, there has been solid evidence since Galileo which is indisputable.

Opiate of the masses, indeed.

Me personally - I would make religion a 'worship at home' only thing as that is probably more acceptable in the short-term than an outright banning initially.

Surely people will become educated enough to not believe in the zombie Jewish carpenter who is also Gods son who came back to life after three days and his ilk by the end of the 21st century.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #75 on: April 8, 2017, 07:00:34 am »
Terror attack suspect in custody is 39 year old Uzbekistan national who supported ISIS online by posting jihadist propaganda according to Swedish paper Aftonbladet. He has posted propaganda films and praised Boston marathon on his Facebook .

St Petersburg attacker was ethnic Uzbek from Kyrgyzstan, Istanbul Reina terrorist was Uyghur with Kyrgyz&Uzbek accomplices and now another radicalized Muslim from Central Asia. Looks like that territory is a new recruitment source for radical terror.

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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #76 on: April 8, 2017, 07:13:56 am »
Terror attack suspect in custody is 39 year old Uzbekistan national who supported ISIS online by posting jihadist propaganda according to Swedish paper Aftonbladet. He has posted propaganda films and praised Boston marathon on his Facebook .

St Petersburg attacker was ethnic Uzbek from Kyrgyzstan, Istanbul Reina terrorist was Uyghur with Kyrgyz&Uzbek accomplices and now another radicalized Muslim from Central Asia. Looks like that territory is a new recruitment source for radical terror.

It's been a source of recruitment since the 1990s. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Islamism took hold in the Central Asian republics and many went to fight with the mujahedin in Afghanistan, went on to join Al-Qaeda and then ISIS. Islamist terrorism isn't an Arab problem it's a problem of radical religious extremism.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #77 on: April 8, 2017, 07:28:27 am »
Spot-on.

The barbarity from both sides in Chechnya, and the attacks that were born out of it, got very little mention in the Western press.
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #78 on: April 8, 2017, 09:44:03 am »
Ban Religion. Simples

Why should Buddhism be banned because of Muslim extremists?
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Re: Stockholm Incident
« Reply #79 on: April 8, 2017, 10:58:07 am »
Can we focus on the important issues first?

Yes, it is highly probable that this will be another ISIS inspired vehicle attack but the first concern should be for the people who have been killed and injured.

There will be plenty of time to fight over the moral high ground once the facts become clear and the injured have been treated.

If you have nothing useful to say it's quite acceptable to say nothing.

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Thanks for saying this.

So sad, once again.