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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #160 on: March 22, 2017, 07:58:30 pm »
Trevor Brooks may still be in prison...

This may well exonerate him..
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #161 on: March 22, 2017, 07:59:25 pm »
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #162 on: March 22, 2017, 08:03:36 pm »
Easy mate. what part do you call as "shit", you think Erdogan is actually grieving after seeing such attacks in europe?
There were over 40 terrorist attacks in Turkey last year and all were during the liberal, leftist events or opposition party followers meetings.

Shit like Erdogan being responsible with no evidence. You have a beef with Erdogan but it almost certainly has nothing to do with this. When you have some evidence feel free to post about Erdogan in this thread.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #163 on: March 22, 2017, 08:08:17 pm »
I know this might sound a bit extreme but perhaps it's time to start looking at ways to govern how mosques are run. A lot of these terrorists quite often will give talks at mosques to try and recruit others, spread the ideology ect.

On a related note I stumbled on this article from a few years ago which talks about measures Japan has gone to, to ensure they don't become victims.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/17/viral-image/viral-graphic-says-japan-keeps-out-radical-islam-t/


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The communities do have to play a part to try and make things better but that in itself is going to be difficult. Most minorities have a distrust for the police and more often than not the police play a big part in that feeling.
The problem for the muslim community is that the majority will suffer for the actions of a few. I imagine the anti muslim feeling in this country will be greater after an incident like this and that must be very difficult for law abiding muslims especially british born ones.

There has to be some bridge building by the police but I guess everytime you arrest someone for not doing anything or stop and search it creates further distrust. But for me the answer is creating some sort of respectable dialogue between the police and the community leaders.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #164 on: March 22, 2017, 08:09:24 pm »
I know this might sound a bit extreme but perhaps it's time to start looking at ways to govern how mosques are run. A lot of these terrorists quite often will give talks at mosques to try and recruit others, spread the ideology ect.

On a related note I stumbled on this article from a few years ago which talks about measures Japan has gone to, to ensure they don't become victims.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/17/viral-image/viral-graphic-says-japan-keeps-out-radical-islam-t/


That article says that:

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The graphic says that in Japan, "permanent residency is not given to Muslims," the "propagation of Islam" is banned, "one cannot import a Koran published in the Arabic language," and "Muslims cannot even rent a house."

Each of these four statements is incorrect, and the overall point of the graphic -- that Japan keeps itself free from radical Islam by discriminating against all Muslims -- is dramatically off-base. We rate these claims Pants on Fire.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #165 on: March 22, 2017, 08:13:26 pm »
I dont think removing preachers from the streets will do anything, most preaching happens now online, banning the internet would probably be the most solid way to combat terror

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #166 on: March 22, 2017, 08:13:33 pm »
Trevor Brooks may still be in prison...

This may well exonerate him..
His brother confirms he is in fact in prison...
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #167 on: March 22, 2017, 08:15:36 pm »
I dont think removing preachers from the streets will do anything, most preaching happens now online, banning the internet would probably be the most solid way to combat terror

I am all for Internet Terrorists...

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #168 on: March 22, 2017, 08:16:48 pm »
I know this might sound a bit extreme but perhaps it's time to start looking at ways to govern how mosques are run. A lot of these terrorists quite often will give talks at mosques to try and recruit others, spread the ideology ect.

On a related note I stumbled on this article from a few years ago which talks about measures Japan has gone to, to ensure they don't become victims.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/17/viral-image/viral-graphic-says-japan-keeps-out-radical-islam-t/


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Have you read the article?  It goes on to say that the anti islam measures in Japan are incorrect.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #169 on: March 22, 2017, 08:16:55 pm »
I am all for Internet Terrorists...

We would still be lumbered with Gillette and hicks otherwise

Self radicalization, lone wolf, home made bombs. All made possible by the world wide web.

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #170 on: March 22, 2017, 08:18:54 pm »
Self radicalization, lone wolf, home made bombs. All made possible by the world wide web.

Not really:

The Anarchist Cookbook, first published in 1971, is a book that contains instructions for the manufacture of explosives, rudimentary telecommunications phreaking devices, and other items.
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Publisher: Lyle Stuart
Country: United States of America
OCLC: 120422

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #171 on: March 22, 2017, 08:19:54 pm »
Self radicalization, lone wolf, home made bombs. All made possible by the world wide web.
I hear you north, but the seed must've been initially planted elsewhere for them to research on the Web. My guess would be hate preachers on the street

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« Reply #172 on: March 22, 2017, 08:23:20 pm »
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #173 on: March 22, 2017, 08:25:00 pm »
Not really:

The Anarchist Cookbook, first published in 1971, is a book that contains instructions for the manufacture of explosives, rudimentary telecommunications phreaking devices, and other items.
Originally published: 1971
Author: William Powell
Publisher: Lyle Stuart
Country: United States of America
OCLC: 120422

The average terrorist would probably not know that these publications exist. Now all the information is at his fingertips.

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #174 on: March 22, 2017, 08:29:12 pm »
I hear you north, but the seed must've been initially planted elsewhere for them to research on the Web. My guess would be hate preachers on the street
A guess..??

Based on?

Let's not guess, it's utterly futile and (in this case) unhelpful and almost certainly wrong.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #175 on: March 22, 2017, 08:30:47 pm »
Will all the people who were saying it was that fella and were crying about how the security forces could let him carry out an attack come back in to the thread an apologise for being a tit? Will they fuck.
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« Reply #176 on: March 22, 2017, 08:31:50 pm »
I hear you north, but the seed must've been initially planted elsewhere for them to research on the Web. My guess would be hate preachers on the street
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You can watch something on you tube and become an extremist. The conventional one to one brainwashing has been replaced  by mass propaganda aimed at large masses, all you need is a couple of hits and you got yourself a terrorist with no direct link to any organisation.

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #177 on: March 22, 2017, 08:32:15 pm »
Just realised it a year today that there was an attack in Belgium.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #178 on: March 22, 2017, 08:33:43 pm »
Do we know the motive of the attack? 

As far as I know, the victim has a beard, and that's it....

That's all we know...
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« Reply #179 on: March 22, 2017, 08:34:10 pm »
Will all the people who were saying it was that fella and were crying about how the security forces could let him carry out an attack come back in to the thread an apologise for being a tit? Will they fuck.

Being in jail is a decent alibi.

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« Reply #180 on: March 22, 2017, 08:36:29 pm »
Will all the people who were saying it was that fella and were crying about how the security forces could let him carry out an attack come back in to the thread an apologise for being a tit? Will they fuck.


Who was crying about the security forces?
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« Reply #181 on: March 22, 2017, 08:37:19 pm »
Do we know the motive of the attack? 

As far as I know, the victim has a beard, and that's it....

That's all we know...

Inspired by the anniversary of the Belgium attack perhaps?  A big coincidence that.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #182 on: March 22, 2017, 08:38:14 pm »
Inspired by the anniversary of the Belgium attack perhaps?
Not impossible. But given zero details, we currently have absolutely no idea if this is the case or not

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #183 on: March 22, 2017, 08:45:50 pm »
Will all the people who were saying it was that fella and were crying about how the security forces could let him carry out an attack come back in to the thread an apologise for being a tit? Will they fuck.


Who was crying about the security forces?

There was people saying how could they allow this to happen and that everyone 'knew' he was a terrorist so why was he allowed to be on the streets to commit such a heinous crime.
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« Reply #184 on: March 22, 2017, 08:48:27 pm »
A guess..??

Based on?

Let's not guess, it's utterly futile and (in this case) unhelpful and almost certainly wrong.
I wouldn't say it's almost certainly wrong. There must've been a seed planted in these extremist's heads to carry out these atrocities.  If they weren't inspired by hate preachers,  then who were they inspired by.......their families?

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #185 on: March 22, 2017, 08:54:48 pm »
Not impossible. But given zero details, we currently have absolutely no idea if this is the case or not


The MO has Islamist written all over it, and as crude as it sounds from the pictures of the body of the guy who carried out the act he's either Asian or Black - if you can think of another motivation for the act feel free to say what it is, but I'm quite happy to say it's Islamic terrorism.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #186 on: March 22, 2017, 08:55:07 pm »
I wouldn't say it's almost certainly wrong. There must've been a seed planted in these extremist's heads to carry out these atrocities.  If they weren't inspired by hate preachers,  then who were they inspired by.......their families?
You said hate preachers on the street.. this is all most certainly rubbish in this day and age...

We don't know why the attack happenened..  all we know is that it was a man with brown skin and a beard.

From that you have concluded that he was radicalised by street preachers... which seems like a leap to me.
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« Reply #187 on: March 22, 2017, 08:57:15 pm »
I wouldn't say it's almost certainly wrong. There must've been a seed planted in these extremist's heads to carry out these atrocities.  If they weren't inspired by hate preachers,  then who were they inspired by.......their families?
Given the history of British involvement in the Middle East then there would be any amount of history enough to plant 'a seed' without any hate preachers getting involved. That's not to condone or excuse any of what's happened, but at the end of the day we're never gonna have peace in the world if we (namely all people of any nationality, religion or creed) if we keep acting as if it's only ever the 'other guy' who's done anything wrong.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #188 on: March 22, 2017, 09:01:27 pm »
Given the history of British involvement in the Middle East then there would be any amount of history enough to plant 'a seed' without any hate preachers getting involved. That's not to condone or excuse any of what's happened, but at the end of the day we're never gonna have peace in the world if we (namely all people of any nationality, religion or creed) if we keep acting as if it's only ever the 'other guy' who's done anything wrong.
If indeed it is an extremist Islamic attack, then the only blame lies with the persons commiting or promulgating such an act.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #189 on: March 22, 2017, 09:09:28 pm »
Trevor Brooks may still be in prison...

This may well exonerate him..

Sorry, what?!

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« Reply #190 on: March 22, 2017, 09:11:24 pm »
Sorry, what?!

The guy that Channel 4 named as the culprit is currently in prison so can't have done it.

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« Reply #191 on: March 22, 2017, 09:14:03 pm »
The guy that Channel 4 named as the culprit is currently in prison so can't have done it.

I got that, the second line makes absolutely no sense. Why would he be exonerated for a different crime, just because today wasn't him?

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #192 on: March 22, 2017, 09:14:55 pm »
I got that, the second line makes absolutely no sense. Why would he be exonerated for a different crime, just because today wasn't him?
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« Reply #193 on: March 22, 2017, 09:15:07 pm »
I got that, the second line makes absolutely no sense. Why would he be exonerated for a different crime, just because today wasn't him?

He meant exonerate him for today's crime. Thought that was fairly obvious.

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« Reply #194 on: March 22, 2017, 09:16:34 pm »
He meant exonerate him for today's crime. Thought that was fairly obvious.
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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #195 on: March 22, 2017, 09:16:41 pm »
Sorry, it was sarcasm
Sorry, your use of mays confused me. Made it sound like you were hypothesising, rather than expressing uncertainty

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #196 on: March 22, 2017, 09:19:04 pm »
He meant exonerate him for today's crime. Thought that was fairly obvious.
Given that exonerate is usually referring to an official statement/action (i.e. releasing on a pardon), it wasn't.

Anyway, sorry to take off track

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #197 on: March 22, 2017, 09:19:49 pm »
Given that exonerate is usually referring to an official statement/action (i.e. releasing on a pardon), it wasn't.

Anyway, sorry to take off track

Fair enough, can see the confusion. Sarcasm always hard to spot on the internet!

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #198 on: March 22, 2017, 09:20:26 pm »
You said hate preachers on the street.. this is all most certainly rubbish in this day and age...

We don't know why the attack happenened..  all we know is that it was a man with brown skin and a beard.

From that you have concluded that he was radicalised by street preachers... which seems like a leap to me.
I'm afraid you've taken my on the street quote too literally.  Perhaps I should have made myself more clearer. When I said on the street I meant
Mosques,  homes,  etc. Although I gather there were preachers on the street at the Finsbury Park mosque.  Indeed I gather the hate preachers were even praying on the street

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Re: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament
« Reply #199 on: March 22, 2017, 09:20:43 pm »
The MO has Islamist written all over it, and as crude as it sounds from the pictures of the body of the guy who carried out the act he's either Asian or Black - if you can think of another motivation for the act feel free to say what it is, but I'm quite happy to say it's Islamic terrorism.

The MO is very familiar to Israelis, unfortunately