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The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« on: January 21, 2005, 10:49:18 am »
Steven Gerrard is leaving Liverpool.

‘Oh no he isn’t!’

‘Oh yes he is!’

As the pantomime season winds down, and the media hacks wind themselves up over another collection of rumours, half-truths and lucky guesses, it is noticeable that the Steven Gerrard speculation seems to have taken a back seat. This has provided welcome - though no doubt temporary – relief for Reds tired of a group of no-mark, clueless speculators acting as if they’ve just discovered a young Pele playing at Colchester. While the media equivalents of Trinny and Suzannah did all they could to tell our captain that red was soooooooo not in, it took the combined efforts of Liverpool (‘Gerrard is not going anywhere’), Chelsea (‘we won’t be making any major signings this January’) and Gerrard himself (‘I’m staying here for the foreseeable future’) to shut them up, at least for a month or two.

Steven Gerrard started 2004 as one of the finest midfielders in the Premiership. He ended it as the most complete, influential and outright best central midfielder in world football. Yet with a good while left on his contract, and the guarantee of an immense transfer fee with the money-burning Chelsea sniffing around, outside observers may have come to wonder if it would have been such a bad thing after all had we sold him, or indeed if we come to sell him in the summer. In the long-term, selling the player may or may not prove to be the best move for all concerned. However, for me at least, this would seem to miss the point.

Last summer, Steven Gerrard, 24-year old homegrown red, captain of Liverpool, top-earner and multiple medal-winner, came very, very close to leaving our club. For Chelsea. Because he wanted to.

The reason behind the outrage felt by most Reds at the time went, and continues to go, well beyond the loss the team would feel from losing an irreplaceable player. Most Reds have come to feel a certain way about the way players should think and behave if they have the honour of wearing the Liverbird on their chests. Especially a player such as Gerrard.

Liverpool fans, more than most clubs, are conservative. Perhaps ‘traditionalist’ would be more appropriate, given that some readers might not notice the small ‘c’ and consequently send round the men in white coats. Old values, and long-established ways of doing things, are highly valued. Any change towards the new values of the modern game tends to be frowned upon, whether its ticket access, corporatisation, new stadia, the background of fans, impatience with new players and managers, player power, kick-off times, just about anything. There are very few clubs where the level of outcry would have reached those of Liverpool fans with the advent of a simple electronic scoreboard, let alone the McNasty's at the back of the Kop. Heaven knows how we’d react if, God forbid, we were ever to follow the lead of other clubs and have a Lenny the Liverbird prancing round the pitch at half time (complete with illustrations of the latest plotline in the programme), or if the sound of James Brown’s ‘I feel good’ was to follow every home goal. We know our history, we understand the traditional way of doing things, and we follow them. When it comes to our players we - more than most fans -expect them to maintain traditional values and attitudes of effort, commitment, passion and an appreciation of the badge they play for, and not just to be about cash n’ careers.

Further, Liverpool as a city, more than any other city I’ve spent time in within this country, comes across as having if not an outright socialist attitude, then certainly a strongly left-leaning one. Shanks’ famous “the socialism I believe in…” quote seems as relevant to many Reds as most things he had to say about the game. Of course, such statements can only be generalisations, and some may feel that links such as this between politics and sport are tenuous. Yet I still feel that if a large section of supporters maintain views on life that value social responsibility, knowing your roots, supporting those around you, one-for-all-and-all-for-one, and a belief that other values are more important than the accruement of money, then the fans as a whole will have a more hostile attitude towards those who go against the grain. Especially when that person has come from their own midst.

Finally comes the problem of London, the South and all that represents. Most Northern cities are resentful of disparities in wealth, jobs, attitudes and media coverage that comes from the focus on London, and this is as true in Liverpool as anywhere. The new money and mouthy cockney attitude at Chelsea makes them a microcosm of the way many think about London and its people. That one of our own would want to sell out and move to that makes the potential move grate even more.

To my mind, Chelsea have recently come to fit the Tory loadsamoney image. Abramovich, a leech who has made obscene money off the sweat of his own people, fits in there like a Versace glove. Together, they represent the Big Bad Wolf, the Ugly Sisters and Jack’s giant (complete with golden eggs) rolled into one.

So while Abramovich fe-fi-fo-fums over the blood of yet another Englishman (he’s behind you Steven!) any number of clueless ex-players and so-called experts say Gerrard has to move on to win things, to move forward in his career.

On the first count, as a club player in England, there are now only seven trophies that it is possible to win, under any set of circumstances. Not halfway through his career, Steven Gerrard has won five of them. Compare that lot to his wannabe mate Frank’s grand total of…none. That’s in the same time, and while with his current club. Arguments over the credentials of our new management team, the steady progress they are making and the ambition shown with the money being spent have been covered elsewhere, and I’ll try not to cover old ground here.

But what does fascinate me is the way people talk about money and careers in the context of football, and how exactly they expect football fans to react to it. To my mind, there is absolutely no logic in being a dedicated football supporter. Once you have your club, you are bound to it, and are absolutely loyal to it. Yet I can’t help but feel that our love is as unrequited as a child’s love for his pet goldfish (although the power and control is on the outside in that instance). Moneymen, writers and commentators love to talk about football these days being a product, or a business. Money does make a difference, but it is not, and never will be, the driver. The driver is the loyalty, passion and dedication of the fans. With any other product, if it is poor quality, no-one buys it. Nor if the service is poor. Nor if it costs too much. Nor if it is too inaccessible. Nor if it is too time-consuming. For most fans, the reason we use our spare time to go to, say, Portsmouth away, pay thirty quid each plus travel costs and time, stand soaking and cold in the rain, and then keep doing it again and again, has nothing to do with any product or any logic.

We idolise those players on the pitch. It hurts to see that they don’t apply the same rules as us, and talk about careers as if they’re in some other run-of-the-mill job. Football to us is not about careers. We’re not paying to watch some pin-striped college boy climb the corporate ladder at Andersen Fuckin’ Consulting. The fantastic salaries top players command has its roots not in doing a standard job well that increases the business’ bottom line, but in the blind dedication of fans who keep at it regardless of ‘company’ performance.

This is not something that is completely lost on the players. I can’t think of a single example of a player in England moving clubs and simply admitting it’s for the money – something that happens surprisingly frequently in some Latin countries, where it seems to be more acceptable. Moving for a greater chance of winning, however, is apparently acceptable. Yet the traditionalist in me feels that a local Red who’s been brought up in the finest traditions of our club should feel a much stronger will towards a good chance of winning with his own club than towards a greater chance of winning with that soulless, moneyed London crew. The magic just isn’t there. The fact that, for Gerrard, there was even a decision to be made – at this stage – blows out of the water any idea that he really is, without fail, one of us.

Stevie G was, and for many remains, the ultimate icon: world class player, Red, scouse, captain, heartbeat, lifeblood; all in a world of football gone mad. Up to last summer, he represented everything we wanted from a player. Now, for me at least, he’s just another young, ultra-capitalist, V8-revving modern Premiership footballer.

For all my words, I hope we never find out just how loyal he is. For that will mean we are successful and challenging with him in the team. But as far as I’m concerned, I’ve had my last sporting hero. Our players can make me joyously happy. I continue to sing their names and of course support my team. But the Gerrard saga was a huge let down for me. He was the last player I thought would even entertain the idea of leaving in such a manner.

What it taught me is that ultimately, no matter what they say, the way those players we idolise think is far removed from how we do. We should no longer love them, but love what they do for us. The truth is that’s much the same way they feel towards us.

© Farman 2005
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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2005, 11:05:29 am »
Good post.  Well written.

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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2005, 11:06:27 am »


A touching post there Farman, and one I think a lot of us can relate to - especially the fact that as fans we can't change how we think and feel about 'our' club, whereas the players are there because they are paid to and then if something better comes along (money or trophy wise) they'll be off.

It reminds me a bit of when I was at school (around 1991 this wouod have been) and we always used to play Liverpool v Man Utd in the playground. We had this kid on our team who was or goalie, not great at footy but he was ours, and he would be in goal for us every match. Then one day he suddenly announces that now he supports Man U in stead - I was about 10 or 11 and remember thinking who the fuck is this clown, you don't just change who you support!!

One point I would make though is that at least Gerrard is showing ambition, and he has publicly come out and stated that his primary desire is to win trophies with us, and secondly after that to have a trophy-laden career. Personally I feel if he gives us a good chance to show that we're heading in the right direction - which I think i) we are, and ii) he's doing at the moment, then he'll have earned the right to go somewhere he feels has more chance of winning trophies should we not be challenging. (I think part of why this feels bad as fans is that at the moment we're not the most attractive club in terms of winning the League, and it always hurts to lose your best players or payers you identify with the most)

Here's hoping that come this time next year we're all discussing how good it is that we've still got him as captain and how badly Chelsea are screwed since Abramovich's extradition and public flogging  ;D



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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2005, 11:26:16 am »

A touching post there Farman, and one I think a lot of us can relate to - especially the fact that as fans we can't change how we think and feel about 'our' club, whereas the players are there because they are paid to and then if something better comes along (money or trophy wise) they'll be off.

It reminds me a bit of when I was at school (around 1991 this wouod have been) and we always used to play Liverpool v Man Utd in the playground. We had this kid on our team who was or goalie, not great at footy but he was ours, and he would be in goal for us every match. Then one day he suddenly announces that now he supports Man U in stead - I was about 10 or 11 and remember thinking who the fuck is this clown, you don't just change who you support!!

One point I would make though is that at least Gerrard is showing ambition, and he has publicly come out and stated that his primary desire is to win trophies with us, and secondly after that to have a trophy-laden career. Personally I feel if he gives us a good chance to show that we're heading in the right direction - which I think i) we are, and ii) he's doing at the moment, then he'll have earned the right to go somewhere he feels has more chance of winning trophies should we not be challenging. (I think part of why this feels bad as fans is that at the moment we're not the most attractive club in terms of winning the League, and it always hurts to lose your best players or payers you identify with the most)

Here's hoping that come this time next year we're all discussing how good it is that we've still got him as captain and how badly Chelsea are screwed since Abramovich's extradition and public flogging  ;D





where do you live? I live in Birkenhead, I left school in 1992 (just as united started to win everything) we were playing Liverpool vs Everton.

If you live anywhere on Merseyside the fact that you had enough Mancs in your school to line up against a team of reds shows how times have changed  :'(
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2005, 11:40:42 am »
where do you live? I live in Birkenhead, I left school in 1992 (just as united started to win everything) we were playing Liverpool vs Everton.

If you live anywhere on Merseyside the fact that you had enough Mancs in your school to line up against a team of reds shows how times have changed  :'(

No mate - it's even worse than that - we lived in the suburbs of London! Though my grandad lived in Birkenhead for nigh on 35 years and our whole family are Reds so that's my excuse - from as young as I can remember there was no option for me to be anything other than a Red, even though we didn't go to matches.

I think Watford is the nearest team to where we were, the only matches we ever saw were local teams like Wealdstone (where Stu Pearce started out) so had a high proportion of kids who just supported teams via telly, hence the number of Liverpool and Man U fans.  :-\

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2005, 12:12:42 pm »
Cracking post. I still believe in Carra. If he were to leave without being frozen out I would come to the same point of view you have. The Gerrard saga certainly pushed me a lot closer than I have been before.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2005, 12:14:23 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2005, 12:21:22 pm »
Great stuff!!
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2005, 12:26:01 pm »
where do you live? I live in Birkenhead, I left school in 1992 (just as united started to win everything) we were playing Liverpool vs Everton.

If you live anywhere on Merseyside the fact that you had enough Mancs in your school to line up against a team of reds shows how times have changed  :'(
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2005, 12:30:19 pm »
A Fantastic post.

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2005, 01:17:49 pm »
My first post! Fantastic post.

Have been a lurker for along time and must say this thread is fantastic for a fan from Oz who is fairly new to following the game (10 years). Further proof i chose the right club to follow!

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2005, 01:40:47 pm »
Farman - an absoultely superb piece there mate. Far and away the best piece I've read in quite sometime. Haven't seen one of your pieces in a while, but this is excellent.

I, like you and many others, came very close to falling out of love with football in the summer. The Gerrard saga, coupled with two upstarts moving to the Corporation from clubs who despised them, saddened me to my core. Even now, I somehow feel slightly differently when watching games.

Liverpool Football Club was once dubbed Liddellpool by fans, due to the sheer brilliance and loyalty of one man - Billy Liddell. In recent months, we became dangerously close to being named Gerrard FC for all the wrong reasons. I hope that our club forever remains bigger than one individual.
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2005, 03:24:27 pm »
Superb post.  I've been feeling weird about Gerrard since then (while still loving every minute of the MOTM performances he puts in) and this puts into words just why.

I wonder was Liam Brady ever tempted to join Liverpool back in the 70's/80's when we were winning everything in sight.  Was he not desperate for success too?  So many other examples have started flooding my mind now......

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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2005, 04:13:03 pm »

I'll add my own "superb post".   You really did catch that bitter sweet aspect of supporting a badge.  I remember last summer deciding I would support the Czech's instead - somehow, the national team lost its attraction as my second team once the media scrum began.  I hoped that Stevie would come out and quash everything with but a few words... not to be.

All of us have worked at more than one place in our lives, and our personal pursuit of supporting this side must be divided from career, ambition, etc.., But we also know, while perhaps acknowledging that to whichever degree we feel appropriate, that the liverbird on the badge is not simply a "plc" slogan (please no one begin a response with "but look at how money... champions league... etc...") and holds a greater magnetism than could be provided by any run of the mill employer.

I almost have that feeling of being in the fag end of a relationship you do not wish to end, and the posting above brought that home to me.  The odd thing is that, if you look at it like a relationship, the marriage is with Liverpool FC.  The fling is (and hopefully we shall not say "was" any time soon) with Stevie.

Gives me reassurance at any rate - the club is more important than any one man.  And if not, well, there is still Carra....

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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2005, 04:34:39 pm »
Thanks so much for this. I wrote a rant a few weeks ago to the editor etc on the same subject expressing the same sentiment. You took the time to express it with even more feeling and much more reason.

This is exactly the attitude we should have of our players and demand that they give 100%, whilst in no way worshipping them. To play for LFC is a privilege and all I care about is the club. The players should see this too, but most of them do not. It’s not a problem, because I do not care about the players, I only care about Liverpool.

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2005, 06:03:27 pm »

Shanks’ famous “the socialism I believe in…” quote

I haven't heard that quote before... ??? :-[
Would anyone be so kind as to 'fill in the blanks'?
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2005, 06:18:27 pm »
Beautifully written and expressed. The love of money is the root of all evil-and that's what this whole sorry saga is all about. Whenever a player talks about the need to 'look after his family' I just laugh.If you're coming up from an average wage in the lower divs, then fair enough, good on ya lad. But honestly, how big are some of these prem players' broods? And then we have the 'I just want to win trophies' shite. It's all about the 120 000 little gold trophies you'd get every week at Chelsea-no more, no less. The summer shattered alot of my illusions too and, staying or going, I don't think they'll be put back together again.

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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2005, 06:29:28 pm »
I haven't heard that quote before... ??? :-[
Would anyone be so kind as to 'fill in the blanks'?

“The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It's the way I see football, the way I see life."

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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2005, 08:02:45 pm »
Good post.

I too hope we don't have to test or find out Gerrard's loyalty. Although sometimes reading the thoughts of some fans about "what will Gerrard think of us now we're knocked out by Burnley etc" do make me feel sad, sad to see us getting hijacked by one player's needs/ambitions.

Gerrard is a wonderful player, and I do hope he continues to be with us for many, many years. But at the same time, I don't want LFC to constantly look over their shoulder and see if the next step is ok with Gerrard or not.

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2005, 08:19:47 pm »
Excellent post.  Sums up my feelings.

Supporting Liverpool has never been a choice, it's just what happens.  Getting my head around a scouser contemplating leaving the club they support is still difficult to understand.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2005, 10:31:50 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2005, 01:57:47 am »
What gets me now is that when a player bursts on the scene, like say Rooney in the summer, all the media were talking about was his earning potenial after Euro 2004. Pisses me off that people think that is important, it's about the football, nothing else.
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2005, 02:01:11 am »
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2005, 02:53:37 am »
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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2005, 12:28:11 pm »
Top post. Hits the nail right on the head. It is saddening, the way a player's whimsy can upset you, make you bitter, is it not?
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2005, 02:33:29 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2005, 09:22:50 pm »
Good post Farman.

The whole Gerrard saga is tiring. There's no reason for him to leave. With Benitez in charge, I reckon LFC has a very good chance of winning things. However, if SG begins to talk too much in the open about what he wants the club to do, then it's time to sell him.

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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2005, 11:45:17 pm »
Good Article, I have to say that if Steven Gerrard is looking to a role model, repugnant as it maybe to us Liverpool fans, Roy Keane is the man to emulate. Thoroughout his career he has driven Man Utd on and on. Yes he has won alot and he know the value of his contribution and sought just reward for it. But he has shown always how to lead and how to get the best from others. Its of little use to have a blinding game yourself and have the other 10 all over the place. I don't believe its about age either, you wear the armband you accept the responsibility. Football has become a cash cow but there is still reason to believe that varying players want to bring success to their own clubs. Many deride Shearer for going to Newcastle and not Man Utd. Mark Lawerenson would say if you don't want to go to the top club there is something wrong with you, but at least Shearer tried albeit in vain. Keep up the good work.
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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2005, 01:13:45 am »
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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2005, 02:53:52 am »
That was a great read Farman.  Thankfully I don't think we'll ever have the same saga with Carra who is a red through and through with no thoughts, I think, of going anywhere else.
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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2005, 02:22:50 pm »
Great read Farman - I suspect there's alot of us who feel the same way.   As someone said, kind of feels like you're married to a fit bird who says she wants to leave, then changes her mind and stays but keeps mentioning that you're on notice!

While he's here, SG has my full support, but doesn't engender the type of admiration any more that is now reserved for Carra, who shows passion in every performance (good or bad) and every statement.

As for the rest of the game, it's fucked.  I'm going to miss 3 aways in a row (Soton, Charlton, Brum) for the 1st time in years as it's just not the same.  Nothing to do with our performances (though that doesn't help!), but the whole frustration over a game that's money obsessed, where Badge-Kissers flee to hated rivals at the drop of a cheque-book, where players 'earn' more a week than most of us do a year, where kick-off times are fucked about to cater for TV companies funded by people who pay silly money but never go the game, ticket prices are obscene (£45 at Brum - fuck off), where the media hypes up every situation beyond belief and every 'armchair fan' is a fucking know-all...and I'm not alone.

I'm convinced that football is headed for a major crash in the next few years, and I for one can't wait for it to happen so we can reclaim it.

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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2005, 09:32:20 am »
Good article.

If Gerrard has any true allegiance to LFC he will stay in the Summer and give us one real year - not a transition year - before he considers giving up on our team

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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2005, 10:14:40 am »
Wish total loyalty to the cause was still a part of the game.....

If he DOES move on- Heaven forbid- I hope he's not sold to Chelsea or any other English club.
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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2005, 11:22:35 am »
Superb post.  I've been feeling weird about Gerrard since then (while still loving every minute of the MOTM performances he puts in) and this puts into words just why.

I wonder was Liam Brady ever tempted to join Liverpool back in the 70's/80's when we were winning everything in sight.  Was he not desperate for success too?  So many other examples have started flooding my mind now......

On the 442 website (or excuse for one) there is an interview with Trevor Brooking who says Liverpool wanted him, but he wanted to stay with West Ham.
My first reaction was, what a stupid prick.
OK we are not akin to West Ham then or now, but there must be Chelsea fans and the Mancs thinking the same about SG as I did about TB...

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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2005, 10:29:55 am »
I am getting absolutly fed up with all this Stevie G situation like all reds are, people are revelling in it absolutly delighted at the fact he may go to chelsea, sick of being called a one man team.
Ok hes quality but so is Baros, Carra, Xabi etc....................
We are not a one man team people are stupid to even call us that. :no

There is one thing that these jealous people dont understand, the mancs for instance, he would never go there in a million years yet they think he will, even though arsenal, the bluenoses and the mancs and everyone else give us grief saying Gerrards goin to chelsea are they really that pathetic and stupid to be delighted at the fact that if he does go there, there title hopes and dreams will be further away from them as ever.

I dont care for how much money in the world I would love him to stay but its his choice at the end of the day if he leaves.
It will take us an awful long time to find a replacement for him.
And the fact that chelsea dont really need him but want him to 1. make us weaker. and for 2. they want him cause they can afford him.
But he will never be as loved anywhere where ever he plays in the future as he is loved at anfield.

But if he stays at the end of this season, and we go through another bad patch these rumours and stories will only continue to circulate, and to be honest I couldnt stand another season of that.
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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #36 on: July 5, 2005, 06:17:11 pm »
Ive dragged this up again because I think it is, if anything, even more relevant now than when I first wrote it.

Its even more amazing that Gerrard wants to leave now because we've ticked another huge box on his wish list by not only showing we can win the Champions League but by actually winning the damn thing, with him as captain.

Its an incredible irony that the only glue that keeps club football together - loyalty - is the one thing that is draining from those in the game more than anything else. And now Gerrard is being disloyal when he doesn't even have any reason to be.

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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #37 on: July 5, 2005, 06:38:48 pm »
I totally agree farman with alot you said --i think back to when we sold Robbie Fowler and how that hurt me for weeks as i just thought he DID embody the same feelings,we in the stands have. I look now  at my Champions league wallpaper/DVD etc and the gloss with todays news seemsto have come off a little. Breaks my heart that not only is a local boy leaving but when i watch the DVDs and hang the new Euro champs poster on my little boys wall im gonna have to explain (just like last year with Owen) why anyone wouldwant to leave this club that is so idolised in our house--hurts seeing Gerrard pick up the cup a little --cause i for one wonder if maybe he was looking to get out all along and he got caught up in the moment when we won.

Lets be honest he wanted a new contract--he got it. All this 5-6 week period to me is bullshit as it isnt about respect, its about being in summer and the club said they would get to it --which they did. His excusesabout thinking he should come before Hammna in contract talks astonishes me as he had 2 years left Didi had none--selfish bastard.

Now he wants to turn round and leave. Well first it was "i want to challenge for honors"  then we won 'the big one'  then it was "i want a new contract and i want it now"  and he got offered one. Now his statement reads "imnot gonna get involved in a slanging match"   well you fucking better son --cause from where im standing that just looks like youve used up all your excuses and now dont know what to say. He told us last year loads of times in the press how we werent good enough so dont stop now using the press--i for one want to know the REAL reason your leaving --cause ive got to break the news to a fucking 8 year old why his hero is leaving after he said to us all he was staying

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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #38 on: July 6, 2005, 06:19:26 am »
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Re: The Steven Gerrard saga and football's changing attitudes
« Reply #39 on: July 6, 2005, 08:58:12 am »
Just on news Gerrard is staying