Topic: FULL TIME LFC 2 - West Ham 2 (Lallana '4, Payet '27, Antonio '38, Origi '47)

[Kelvinlfc]

I didn't think he was a bottler and I still don't, but on this occasion he definitely should've made a change up top IMO

I live in Guernsey, so I don't get to go very often (no direct flights to Liverpool so a trip costs north of £300 before spends). I've been to Fulham just before Christmas a few years ago (class atmosphere), United last January (shite), Kazan Europa League (shite) and obviously this West Ham game which was also shite.

Noticed anyway the thread about the atmosphere after posting my little rant in here

[red mongoose]

They do this. They say stupid things all the time and when a manager bites that's their ticket. Look at the one time media darling Maureen. All it takes is a couple of draws these days and the headlines scream out 'Has he cracked', 'Is the pressure too much?' etc, etc.

But the germane point is this: who gives a fuck what they print? What possible difference does it make? We don't need to put words in his mouth - he doesn't need us to. If we trust him to be in charge - and I'm sure you do, just like I do, just like we all should - then just let him make decisions about what to say or not say and stand behind him. It's a very fucking simple thing. I'm not having a go at you, by the way - just saying in general. People are worrying about the stupidest shit lately. He's our guy - be loyal, support him like crazy, let him take care of things.

[nvssudheer]

Klopp should give this a try vs Boro for the last 20 minutes or so: Woodburn on the left, Firmino at no. 9.

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Klopp should give this a try vs Boro for the last 20 minutes or so: Woodburn on the left, Firmino at no. 9.

Or Ojo

[Fromola]

Yet another season going down the drain. YOu don't win anything if you're goalkeeper isn't performing and every shot goes in the net agains you. 

[pyroparty]

Yet another season going down the drain. YOu don't win anything if you're goalkeeper isn't performing and every shot goes in the net agains you.

We are in absolute crisis.

[sms1986]

Yet another season going down the drain. YOu don't win anything if you're goalkeeper isn't performing and every shot goes in the net agains you.

Yeah, Chelsea have already won the league, Hull have won the league cup, might as well call it a day and prepare for next season.

[red mongoose]

I can barely tell who is joking and who is serious anymore.

[TipTopKop]

But the germane point is this: who gives a fuck what they print? What possible difference does it make?

Not sure, clearly Klopp did think it was important enough to merit a response. My personal opinion is they're trolls, they sit around all day (literally) in studios and formulate all kinds of theories from players out of form to managers under pressure to people nearing the sack based on absolute fantasy. It is an unnecessary added pressure to take their bait, far better to do what he's done so far which is smile, make light of it and respond on the pitch.

Also, it's a bit of an overreaction to say that because you think this type of personal response was unnecessary it means people aren't backing the manager.

[Greatness]

We are in absolute crisis.

Agreed mate it's like December 2010 and December 2014 all over again, if weren't not careful we won't even qualify for the Europa League.

Being serious we are overachieving, were 3rd place ahead of both City and United who spent a massive outlet last summer.

Start of the season I would of snapped someone's hand off for a top place and a trophy, well on course to do that and hopefully win the Fa Cup as well.   

[Fromola]

Agreed mate it's like December 2010 and December 2014 all over again, if weren't not careful we won't even qualify for the Europa League.

Being serious we are overachieving, were 3rd place ahead of both City and United who spent a massive outlet last summer.

Start of the season I would of snapped someone's hand off for a top place and a trophy, well on course to do that and hopefully win the Fa Cup as well.

We're not on course to win anything without being solid. United in the cup final If we get there De Gea will be pulling off all kinds of saves. They'll score from their first shot. No Sakho to hold the defence together like the European run either.

[Kop307]

First post - lets go.

I think I remember when Klopp first took over he told everyone not to be to down when we lose, and don't get overly ambtious when we win - or something like that. Maybe people should look at the league table and see if they still fancy moaning.

We're 3rd in the league, in the semi-final of a cup, 6 points behind a team going on a 9 game winning streak, we're just about keeping pace when you consider we still play Chelsea at Anfield - that gap isn't significant. Yes it was a shit result against West Ham, but life goes on, as does the season. Everyone needs to stop cryarsing about what's happened a look at the position we're in, which is a very strong one. I know that's what our brilliant manger will be doing. Have faith in him, if no one else.

Chelsea will drop points, as will Man City, and Arsenal. It's all fine. We're fine. We play Boro on Wednesday, if we win, fantastic, if we lose, we play Everton next week. Don't worry about it.

Everyone always bangs on about the destination, try enjoying the journey. We may end up winning the league, coming top 4, or coming 6th. Who knows but we're in the conversation, so try enjoying it. It doesn't happen every year. Especially in December.

[Caston]

Anyway, we have another game tomorrow. Time to focus on that.

[Purple Red]

First post - lets go.

I think I remember when Klopp first took over he told everyone not to be to down when we lose, and don't get overly ambtious when we win - or something like that. Maybe people should look at the league table and see if they still fancy moaning.

We're 3rd in the league, in the semi-final of a cup, 6 points behind a team going on a 9 game winning streak, we're just about keeping pace when you consider we still play Chelsea at Anfield - that gap isn't significant. Yes it was a shit result against West Ham, but life goes on, as does the season. Everyone needs to stop cryarsing about what's happened a look at the position we're in, which is a very strong one. I know that's what our brilliant manger will be doing. Have faith in him, if no one else.

Chelsea will drop points, as will Man City, and Arsenal. It's all fine. We're fine. We play Boro on Wednesday, if we win, fantastic, if we lose, we play Everton next week. Don't worry about it.

Everyone always bangs on about the destination, try enjoying the journey. We may end up winning the league, coming top 4, or coming 6th. Who knows but we're in the conversation, so try enjoying it. It doesn't happen every year. Especially in December.

Excellent first post mate. 

I also agree with what someone said about us overachieving if you compare our budget with City's and United's.

We all could have predicted results like Bournemouth away and the Hammers at home. It's just a shame they have happened consecutively to create an unneeded sense of crisis.

[Alanslad]

Is that like saying any Liverpool fan watching Sky effectively reads the S*n? If not, why not?

Not exactly mate, but they are inadvertently funding the same company

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

I also agree with what someone said about us overachieving if you compare our budget with City's and United's.

Would that be the old "par" argument? I.e. a load of old shite 

[Purple Red]

Would that be the old "par" argument? I.e. a load of old shite 

No we should always be aiming above par which I am confident Klopp is doing. My point is that we should put things in the perspective of the strong competition we have in this league.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

No we should always be aiming above par which I am confident Klopp is doing. My point is that we should put things in the perspective of the strong competition we have in this league.

It's true that the competition is very strong this season, however, we've thrown away 5 points in the last 2 games.

[Purple Red]

It's true that the competition is very strong this season, however, we've thrown away 5 points in the last 2 games.

I agree and that isn't acceptable but it's to be expected in football. This is a game that's very hard to predict and every team around us has dropped similar points this season.

[Kop307]

I agree and that isn't acceptable but it's to be expected in football. This is a game that's very hard to predict and every team around us has dropped similar points this season.

Apart from Chelsea. They're on a freakish run, and they've had no injuries to key players. Yet. And that's the key part, yet.

At some point in the season they'll have a wobble, that's how football works. We just need to focus on being in a position to take advantage when they do. We can't afford to have to many more games like West Ham if we want to win the league this season.

[Rush 82]

No idea what this post means. If you clarify, I'll be happy to answer.

Are you saying Carra is right to totally degrade our keeper in the media, or is he incorrect to do that?

Are the Nevilles right in the same context, or not?

Is it a bigger offence to rip out our keeper if you are a Man Utd legend, or a Liverpool legend?

Is the manager better to call up the United pundit, and let the Liverpool pundit alone? Or what's your opinion on all these?

In the first instance, I'm saying it might be sort of OK if Carra criticises us 'cos he's a Red and it could be argued that he's doing it from a positive space; when Neville does the same it's definitely not from a positive space cos we know that the Manc twat is revelling in it. 

On the second part I'm saying that Carra  could be a bit more fucking loyal to us. 

I can totally see why Klopp would call Neville out and not Carra - it wouldn't surprise me in least if Carra receives a private message from Klopp. 

Neville and every other Manc (including that twat Peter Schmeichel) can go fuck themselves.

[redalways]

We are in absolute crisis.

Are you serious ?

[cowtownred]

In the first instance, I'm saying it might be sort of OK if Carra criticises us 'cos he's a Red and it could be argued that he's doing it from a positive space; when Neville does the same it's definitely not from a positive space cos we know that the Manc twat is revelling in it. 

On the second part I'm saying that Carra  could be a bit more fucking loyal to us. 

I can totally see why Klopp would call Neville out and not Carra - it wouldn't surprise me in least if Carra receives a private message from Klopp. 

Neville and every other Manc (including that twat Peter Schmeichel) can go fuck themselves.

Thanks for explaining.  To be honest (while I can't stand them), I kind of expect the Nevilles and co to slag us off every chance they get. Personally, I find it far more despicable when the likes of Lawrenson, Murphy etc have a pop.  What Carragher said about our goalkeeper on Sunday was just disgusting. I hope the manager does have a word.

[Chakan]

Thanks for explaining.  To be honest (while I can't stand them), I kind of expect the Nevilles and co to slag us off every chance they get. Personally, I find it far more despicable when the likes of Lawrenson, Murphy etc have a pop.  What Carragher said about our goalkeeper on Sunday was just disgusting. I hope the manager does have a word.

I don't think the likes of Murphy, Lawro or medal thief have been part of Liverpool for a very long time, least not that i've considered them that way anyway.

[cowtownred]

I don't think the likes of Murphy, Lawro or medal thief have been part of Liverpool for a very long time, least not that i've considered them that way anyway.

Oh sure, totally concur. To many, Carra is a Liverpool hero and you'ld expect better. Mind you he seems to forget he owes much of his status to Rafa Benitez and Sami Hyypia. And indirectly, Stevie G.

[Chakan]

Oh sure, totally concur. To many, Carra is a Liverpool hero and you'ld expect better. Mind you he seems to forget he owes much of his status to Rafa Benitez and Sami Hyypia. And indirectly, Stevie G.

Yeah you'd expect a bit better from Carra honestly, least I did. You'd expect him to be defending a player of Liverpool instead of agreeing with his mate Neville. But that's the way it is today on Sky.

[Paul_h]

Carra works for the murdoch empire now, who have an agenda against Liverpool.
He wAs similarly critical of  Can too.. last year..
And he played his role to oust Rafa..
He can shove his opinions up his arse, as far as I'm concened

Klopp was correct to point out nevilles fAliours. Giving him a taste of his own medicine...

[heylookitsjacob]

It's Neville's job to talk.

It's part of Klopp's job to answer questions in interviews and pre/post match conferences

It's part of a player's job to answer questions from a reporter(s) and in pre/post match conferences

I'm not sure why any of them criticizing each other is actually a big deal? I mean, Neville is shit at his job. Karius has had a couple howlers. Klopp has the right to defend his team selection. I'm sure that Karius and Klopp are being advised by Liverpool's PR department (who are more knowledgeable about this subject than any of us) on how to handle the situation.

Non-story for me.

[CHOPPER]

Kill this thread. Time to move on brothers and sisters.

Onwards and upwards. Bring on the Boro.

[liversaint]

Kill this thread. Time to move on brothers and sisters.

Onwards and upwards. Bring on the Boro.

its fucking doom and gloom in the pre match thread for Boro  as well, you would think we are playing a Barca and real Madrid select team

[RedRaj]

its fucking doom and gloom in the pre match thread for Boro  as well, you would think we are playing a Barca and real Madrid select team

Too right! Boro have lost to Watford at home.. yes Watford. Yes our record at Boro isn't great but all of those x haven't beaten y records  in 20 years have nearly all fallen in the last 5 years. Come on. We can absolutely do this lot.

[Frizzo]

Are you serious ?

Can't be. Maybe s/he doesn't realise that sarcasm doesn't convey easily.

Seriously though, we lost to burnley and there were literally people writing the season off. After ONE loss.

Then we go 15 unbeaten and we're in a semi final, top of the league and everything's rosy.

Then we have a draw and a loss and it's time for tantrums again.

[andspecks]

Carra works for the murdoch empire now, who have an agenda against Liverpool.
He wAs similarly critical of  Can too.. last year..
And he played his role to oust Rafa..
He can shove his opinions up his arse, as far as I'm concened

Klopp was correct to point out nevilles fAliours. Giving him a taste of his own medicine...

The way people tout this around as if it's fact when there isn't a shred of evidence

[MerseysideBrum]

United in the cup final If we get there De Gea will be pulling off all kinds of saves. They'll score from their first shot. No Sakho to hold the defence together like the European run either.

Might not bother watching (if we get there) seeing as mystic meg here apparently knows exactly whats going to happen

ALSO THE BIT IN BOLD LOL

[LallanaInPyjamas]

No Sakho to hold the defence together like the European run either.