Topic: A case for the Tories in this coming election!

[SP]

Isn't the BBC and media generally supposed to be left wing? If that is the case then why would they bother helping the Tories?

The individuals generally are. The organisation's political stance is not the sum of the individuals.

[Xabi Gerrard]

The right are convinced there's a left wing bias at the BBC.
The left are convinced there's a right wing bias at the BBC.

They must be doing something right.

[zebenzui]

The right are convinced there's a left wing bias at the BBC.
The left are convinced there's a right wing bias at the BBC.

They must be doing something right.

Isn't that just argument to moderation? One of them could be right.

[Day1983]

There is no justification for voting Tory. None.

[killer-heels]

I wonder if there is some interesting stuff going on in the Tory party right now.

May has indicated triple lock on pensions could go, taxes may rise and foreign aid will remain. Apparently Ruth Davidson influenced the decision on foreign aid.

Thats on the back of Amber Rudd seeming to hint that she could get more conpromises to Brexit through and that the Remainers in the Tories were mainly the ones pushing for an election whilst the right wing hardline was against it, worried their influence could be diluted.

[Cliff Bastin]

The individuals generally are. The organisation's political stance is not the sum of the individuals.

A lot of what people do see on TV now particularly entertainment on TV has a left wing stance to it. Liberalism has generally been the norm within TV in the last few decades.

The attitude that Labour can't possibly win because Rupert Murdoch decides the elections is odd because what you are essentially saying is Labour need to get into the pants of Murdoch to gain power and in order to do that it needs to be a Blairite type politician.

[SP]

A lot of what people do see on TV now particularly entertainment on TV has a left wing stance to it. Liberalism has generally been the norm within TV in the last few decades.

The attitude that Labour can't possibly win because Rupert Murdoch decides the elections is odd because what you are essentially saying is Labour need to get into the pants of Murdoch to gain power and in order to do that it needs to be a Blairite type politician.

It loses the cause and effect. Murdoch backs the party that is going to win any way.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Dont under estimate how much Joe Average hates the unemployed. The unemployed are seen by many as leeches who "ponce" of the tax payer.
"These people dont want to work" etc etc. 

[disgraced cake]

There is no justification for voting Tory. None.

Correct.

[Shankly998]

Dont under estimate how much Joe Average hates the unemployed. The unemployed are seen by many as leeches who "ponce" of the tax payer.
"These people dont want to work" etc etc.

The unemployed are one of the few groups in society who are seen as being both incompetent and dangerous somewhat like politicians...

The right are convinced there's a left wing bias at the BBC.
The left are convinced there's a right wing bias at the BBC.

They must be doing something right.

The BBC isn't left wing or right wing it is pro-establishment however and will generally be deferential to which ever government is in charge at the time they'll push back occasionally but they can't push too hard otherwise their funding would be threatened.

[oldfordie]

 A woman said something on TV last night that summed up how millions of people feel about this GE.
"It's not that the Torys are more appealing. Labour are less appealing"
Ive no idea how anyone can vote Tory and like it or not you can understand why voters don't find Labour appealing right now.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

A woman said something on TV last night that summed up how millions of people feel about this GE.
"It's not that the Torys are more appealing. Labour are less appealing"
Ive no idea how anyone can vote Tory and like it or not you can understand why voters don't find Labour appealing right now.

that old heseltine quote about people will vote in labour when labour want to be voted in is very true, especially right now

[mkingdon]

There was a video doing the rounds on FB where folks in a safe Tory seat were asked if they agreed with certain policies. They all did and then recoiled in horror when told they were Corbyn's.

This election, like the last with Milliband never resonating with the public, will be about personalities and Corbyn, no matter what he says or proposes will just not get elected. It doesn't help when Diane Abbot has a lobotomy live on air, reinforcing all the perceptions of Labour mismanaging the economy.

Blair, whatever you think of him now, was polished, professional and TV friendly and he was also up against a tired and corrupt Tory government led by the very grey Major.

The Tories seem to have got a reputation for good management of the economy which is so far from the truth it is incredible, but it has stuck and ultimately most voters will play it safe.

May seems to be doing her utmost to piss away her enormous lead day by day but I don't think even she is that incompetent to lose this one.

[stevensr123]

Because they are better than the current opposition when it comes down to the economy and the economy trumps everything really.

Without a strong economic policy, job loses will occure,which effects people's lives more than anything really.


The current labour leaderships policies would destroy the economy, which in tern will reduce jobs, which means less tax revenue, which means even less money on infrastructure, health, education etc

It's alright saying we will fund this and fund that etc by taxing the rich and companies more but all that will do is stifle job creation and retention.


And that's not to say the Tories are good, they are horrible bastards.

I just wish for the sake of my family their was a competent and fair government for all spectrums, one that supported the poor and needy, funded health and education more, but by strong economic means by supporting small businesses more, creating better schemes for apprenticeship creation to give young people a chance, and bringing the economy back up.

Sadly labour isn't that right now, they would tank it.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Because they are better than the current opposition when it comes down to the economy and the economy trumps everything really.

This is the single most obvious problem world wide. Pathetic state of affairs the human race has got into.

 

[S]

A lot of people vote for the life they crave, rather than the one they have. Voting for the Tories has become a symbol of status, like buying a Porsche jacket when you own a Fiat. Either consciously or otherwise people think that by simply aligning themselves with a certain party, they too will become rich and comfortable. Trump is probably the clearest example of this. He's idolised for his bravado and obscene wealth by people who have neither of those things.

[stevensr123]

This is the single most obvious problem world wide. Pathetic state of affairs the human race has got into.

 

its been going on since mankind existed and the alternative has been proven worse.

It's sad and I wish someone some day comes up with a good alternative, but socialism isn't it. The left cry out for it and keep making arguments that it hasn't been implimented correctly in the past,  but there are reasons for that as well.

[Purple Red]

This is the single most obvious problem world wide. Pathetic state of affairs the human race has got into.

 

Not really - the economy is about survival. If we don't have suitable economies for our own live then it is incredibly difficult to sustain your existence.

[cloggypop]

Not really - the economy is about survival. If we don't have suitable economies for our own live then it is incredibly difficult to sustain your existence.

Strong and stable

[Purple Red]

Strong and stable

Now where have I heard that before.

[Bunter]

This election, like the last with Milliband never resonating with the public, will be about personalities and Corbyn, no matter what he says or proposes will just not get elected. It doesn't help when Diane Abbot has a lobotomy live on air, reinforcing all the perceptions of Labour mismanaging the economy.

But May has the personality of a reanimated corpse and is as dull and boring as you can get, she one of least inspiring leaders of a party ever. I do agree, if you had an Obama or a Trudeau you would gain thousands of swing voters on their image/charm alone, especially in our times of image obsessed celebrity.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

But May has the personality of a reanimated corpse and is as dull and boring as you can get, she one of least inspiring leaders of a party ever.

thnakfully for her the main opponent is worse on those fronts

[TheShanklyGates]

A lot of people vote for the life they crave, rather than the one they have. Voting for the Tories has become a symbol of status, like buying a Porsche jacket when you own a Fiat. Either consciously or otherwise people think that by simply aligning themselves with a certain party, they too will become rich and comfortable. Trump is probably the clearest example of this. He's idolised for his bravado and obscene wealth by people who have neither of those things.

[scouse and proud plc.]

Because they are better than the current opposition when it comes down to the economy and the economy trumps everything really.

Without a strong economic policy, job loses will occure,which effects people's lives more than anything really.


The current labour leaderships policies would destroy the economy, which in tern will reduce jobs, which means less tax revenue, which means even less money on infrastructure, health, education etc

It's alright saying we will fund this and fund that etc by taxing the rich and companies more but all that will do is stifle job creation and retention.


And that's not to say the Tories are good, they are horrible bastards.

I just wish for the sake of my family their was a competent and fair government for all spectrums, one that supported the poor and needy, funded health and education more, but by strong economic means by supporting small businesses more, creating better schemes for apprenticeship creation to give young people a chance, and bringing the economy back up.

Sadly labour isn't that right now, they would tank it.

You're completely wrong there. Years and years of cuts and a lack of investment by the Tories have left the economy stagnating - productivity levels in the UK are absolutely abysmal, wages have consistently fell in real terms which is one of the reasons employment has been kept artificially high, along with the fact that most of the jobs created have been crap, low quality, low pay (and often zero hours.)

Labour's economic plans are actually far more in keeping with mainstream economic thought. You can't cut your way to sustainable growth, there has to be investment in skills, infrastructure, education etc. It's about a lot more than just 'taxing the rich.'