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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #160 on: April 21, 2017, 01:01:11 PM »
I don't think some people quite understand the huge implications of Brexit and the changes that will be made to this country because of it.

It's the most important issue facing this country for years and will have an impact on everything; the NHS, inflation, environment, economy, Jobs, other public services, etc etc.....

Absolutely everything with be affected by Brexit
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #161 on: April 21, 2017, 02:49:47 PM »
If Brexit is going to happen then our only realistic hope is to try and change the way it is negotiated.  People voted for Brexit, not necessarily a hard Brexit.

Only the Tories will be able to win an election outright; Labour will NEED a coalition to form the next government - and their only two options will be anti-Brexit parties in the Lib Dems and SNP.

Therefore refusing to vote Labour because the PLP effectively endorsed Corbyn's Brexit stance is counter productive.  If Corbyn chose to remain in opposition rather than re-negotiate Brexit, or cancel it altogether, it would be an act of sheer political lunacy that will expose him for the fraud he is - a man so hung up on his "principles" that he is prepared to refuse power.

Withholding your vote because you're pro-EU will achieve nothing. 
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #162 on: April 21, 2017, 02:55:11 PM »
If Brexit is going to happen then our only realistic hope is to try and change the way it is negotiated.  People voted for Brexit, not necessarily a hard Brexit.

Only the Tories will be able to win an election outright; Labour will NEED a coalition to form the next government - and their only two options will be anti-Brexit parties in the Lib Dems and SNP.

Therefore refusing to vote Labour because the PLP effectively endorsed Corbyn's Brexit stance is counter productive.  If Corbyn chose to remain in opposition rather than re-negotiate Brexit, or cancel it altogether, it would be an act of sheer political lunacy that will expose him for the fraud he is - a man so hung up on his "principles" that he is prepared to refuse power.

Withholding your vote because you're pro-EU will achieve nothing. 

Corbyn's supporters define the Blair government by Iraq. That's a government that's done more for the vulnerable than any other government in my lifetime. Corbyn's leadership is defined by his position on Brexit. Unlike Iraq, that one issue has knock on effects on practically every aspect of our society, right down to the legitimisation of bigotry. As Corbyn has decided to ally with the Tories on that, and the Labour members decided to endorse his decision to do so, so I can't see how I can identify with the Labour party. Not until Corbyn and those that support him are gone. By his decision to go with the Tories, not after deep reflection, but immediately after the referendum, Corbyn has shown his true colours.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #163 on: April 21, 2017, 03:04:33 PM »
Only the Tories will be able to win an election outright; Labour will NEED a coalition to form the next government - and their only two options will be anti-Brexit parties in the Lib Dems and SNP.

Given that this is a one issue election, surely a more likely coalition would be a Labour/UKIP partnership, what with them having the same objective?

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #164 on: April 21, 2017, 03:06:29 PM »
Labour for me. I have strayed in the European elections in the past and gone for Greens or mad socialist parties that get about 15 votes, but it has to be Labour for the big one.

I'm a bit pissed off with the voting situation for me. As an ex-pat I have to vote in the constituency I was last registered in, which is somewhere I lived only very briefly. I don't feel hugely attached to the area, and it also looks like it's being gerrymandered into a Tory marginal instead of a safe Labour (finding it hard to tell if the change will be in effect for this election). Postal votes are only sent out 16 days before the election which doesn't give much time to get to and from the US, and a proxy vote is pretty worthless when I only know one person still living in the area. Hopefully I can find a way for my vote to count.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #165 on: April 21, 2017, 03:13:46 PM »
Labour for me. I have strayed in the European elections in the past and gone for Greens or mad socialist parties that get about 15 votes, but it has to be Labour for the big one.

I'm a bit pissed off with the voting situation for me. As an ex-pat I have to vote in the constituency I was last registered in, which is somewhere I lived only very briefly. I don't feel hugely attached to the area, and it also looks like it's being gerrymandered into a Tory marginal instead of a safe Labour (finding it hard to tell if the change will be in effect for this election). Postal votes are only sent out 16 days before the election which doesn't give much time to get to and from the US, and a proxy vote is pretty worthless when I only know one person still living in the area. Hopefully I can find a way for my vote to count.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #166 on: April 21, 2017, 03:19:27 PM »
In the extremely unlikely event that a Labour-led coalition comes to power, the leadership's position on Brexit won't matter - the party membership and PLP is overwhelmingly pro-European and, with pressure from LibDems and SNP, Brexit might be halted or softened as much as possible. I'd say that Corbyn knows that already, but he can't say it because Labour would be slaughtered in it's northern 'Leave' constituencies.

If your vote is primarily an anti-or-soft-as-possible-Brexit, vote for whichever non-Tory candidate has the best chance of being elected in your constituency. Which is probably a good guide regardless.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #167 on: April 21, 2017, 03:19:36 PM »
I'm in a rock hard Tory seat..

Will never vote for that pile of shite or ukip.

So lib dems or labour?  If it were a marginal seat, the solution would be easy, get rid of the Tory.

So how do I vote?
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #168 on: April 21, 2017, 03:27:12 PM »
I'm in a rock hard Tory seat..

Will never vote for that pile of shite or ukip.

So lib dems or labour?  If it were a marginal seat, the solution would be easy, get rid of the Tory.

So how do I vote?

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #169 on: April 21, 2017, 03:29:09 PM »
SNP. Labour are a shambles up here, Lib Dem's almost equally so. I would expect a clean sweep for the SNP again, at least 54 seats.

Politically I'm probably closer to the Greens on more issues, and I know the SNP aren't perfect, but they are the best realistic option available, by a margin of a few light years. 
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #170 on: April 21, 2017, 03:56:14 PM »
Given that this is a one issue election, surely a more likely coalition would be a Labour/UKIP partnership, what with them having the same objective?

Er, no, not really.  You know as well as I do that UKIP will be lucky to have a single seat so there wont be any Labour coalition with them.

If people want to resort to the ridiculous when it comes to pasting Corbyn over pro-Brexit then that is up to them.  But as I have stated, refusing to vote Labour in a seat where there's a chance they can unseat a Tory because Corbyn has followed the Brexit line is essentially taking your ball away when both sides still have a spare ball.  It accomplishes nothing.

It's easy for me to say vote Labour, as I'm in a rock solid Labour seat; it doesn't matter how I vote.  But do you want to halt or at least slow Brexit?  Then force Labour to work with parties that oppose it.  In order to do that you have to swallow the salty stuff and vote Labour in those marginals. 
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #171 on: April 21, 2017, 03:57:19 PM »
I'm in a rock hard Tory seat..

Will never vote for that pile of shite or ukip.

So lib dems or labour?  If it were a marginal seat, the solution would be easy, get rid of the Tory.

So how do I vote?

Which party's overall share of the vote do you want to contribute a tiny increase to? If you support PR (which would make your vote more meaningful, in such a constituency), probably vote Green.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #172 on: April 21, 2017, 04:02:50 PM »
Given that this is a one issue election, surely a more likely coalition would be a Labour/UKIP partnership, what with them having the same objective?


Not in the slightest. Firstly, it isn't a one-issue election; no election ever is. Secondly, regardless of Corbyn's views and lacklustre 'Remain' performance, the Labour Party as a whole is solidly pro-European. Labour in this election just doesn't have a clear objective on the issue of Brexit; it has a number of vulnerabilities which could be devastatingly seized upon by opponents if the campaign goes badly. The key vulnerability is that any sign of the party shifting towards a position of rejecting the referendum result could see the party lose vast numbers of seats in it's heartland.

The vast majority of the Labour Party would be ecstatic to end up in a loose coalition with the Lib Dems and SNP, and be 'forced' to soften or prevent Brexit. But it can't possibly say so, in this election.
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« Reply #173 on: April 21, 2017, 04:03:40 PM »
Corbyn's supporters define the Blair government by Iraq. That's a government that's done more for the vulnerable than any other government in my lifetime. Corbyn's leadership is defined by his position on Brexit. Unlike Iraq, that one issue has knock on effects on practically every aspect of our society, right down to the legitimisation of bigotry. As Corbyn has decided to ally with the Tories on that, and the Labour members decided to endorse his decision to do so, so I can't see how I can identify with the Labour party. Not until Corbyn and those that support him are gone. By his decision to go with the Tories, not after deep reflection, but immediately after the referendum, Corbyn has shown his true colours.

I understand mate, really I do.  I have come to utterly despise Corbyn, and the unconditional love he gets from some of my Labour supporting mates has driven me to the point where I refuse to discuss politics with them, save I actually become violent.

It's my opinion though that if Labour lose this election Corbyn wont step down.  The argument will be put forward that he's only had two years, and the poor results are because of PLP infighting and the hostile media.  You actually have a better chance of getting rid of him if Labour do better - as soon as his rampant incompetence tries its hand at actual governance and he's forced to work with other political leaders he wont last 6 months.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #174 on: April 21, 2017, 04:05:50 PM »
Difficult to say without having seen the manifesto's yet. I've voted Lib Dem on this because I'm expecting them to be the only ones who'll say they'll overturn the absurb Brexit decision.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #175 on: April 21, 2017, 04:09:40 PM »
It's my opinion though that if Labour lose this election Corbyn wont step down.  The argument will be put forward that he's only had two years, and the poor results are because of PLP infighting and the hostile media.  You actually have a better chance of getting rid of him if Labour do better - as soon as his rampant incompetence tries its hand at actual governance and he's forced to work with other political leaders he wont last 6 months.

He better fucking had step down if they lose.

Surely the unions and other interested parties would be able to apply the pressure required to oust the limpid limpet?

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« Reply #176 on: April 21, 2017, 04:11:25 PM »
Er, no, not really.  You know as well as I do that UKIP will be lucky to have a single seat so there wont be any Labour coalition with them.

If people want to resort to the ridiculous when it comes to pasting Corbyn over pro-Brexit then that is up to them.  But as I have stated, refusing to vote Labour in a seat where there's a chance they can unseat a Tory because Corbyn has followed the Brexit line is essentially taking your ball away when both sides still have a spare ball.  It accomplishes nothing.

It's easy for me to say vote Labour, as I'm in a rock solid Labour seat; it doesn't matter how I vote.  But do you want to halt or at least slow Brexit?  Then force Labour to work with parties that oppose it.  In order to do that you have to swallow the salty stuff and vote Labour in those marginals. 

My UKIP jibe was made with tongue firmly in cheek, but it does highlight Labour's biggest flaw (in my eyes) - their pro-Brexit stance. I like what you say and if I thought that was how it would play out then I'd have no qualms whatsoever about voting for Labour in my LAB/CON marginal. However, if, as expected, Labour's manifesto states firmly that there will NOT be a second referendum, do you really think they'll be able to do a 180 and end up holding a second referendum if they do end up partnering up with the Libs, SNP & Greens? If they go with the hard Brexit line in their manifesto I dont think they'll be able to do anything else if by some miracle they do end up in power.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #177 on: April 21, 2017, 04:18:03 PM »
He better fucking had step down if they lose.

Surely the unions and other interested parties would be able to apply the pressure required to oust the limpid limpet?

The unions and his supporters expect him to lose the election (and quite convincingly, I suspect). Their support is for a 'longer game' than this election; the reconfiguring of the party and rule changes to pull it further to the left (de-selection of MPs, reducing the number of PLP nominations needed for a leadership candidate, etc).

He'll have to lose very, very badly indeed for the 'pressure' to force him out.
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« Reply #178 on: April 21, 2017, 04:21:24 PM »
Not in the slightest. Firstly, it isn't a one-issue election; no election ever is. Secondly, regardless of Corbyn's views and lacklustre 'Remain' performance, the Labour Party as a whole is solidly pro-European. Labour in this election just doesn't have a clear objective on the issue of Brexit; it has a number of vulnerabilities which could be devastatingly seized upon by opponents if the campaign goes badly. The key vulnerability is that any sign of the party shifting towards a position of rejecting the referendum result could see the party lose vast numbers of seats in it's heartland.

The vast majority of the Labour Party would be ecstatic to end up in a loose coalition with the Lib Dems and SNP, and be 'forced' to soften or prevent Brexit. But it can't possibly say so, in this election.


I agree with all that but it's not the vast majority of the Labour Party that I worry about, it's the pro-Brexit lunatics that are in charge of the Labour party and steering the ship (into the Brexit iceberg) that I worry about.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #179 on: April 21, 2017, 04:21:49 PM »
Were you Leave or Remain?
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #180 on: April 21, 2017, 04:22:49 PM »
The unions and his supporters expect him to lose the election (and quite convincingly, I suspect). Their support is for a 'longer game' than this election; the reconfiguring of the party and rule changes to pull it further to the left (de-selection of MPs, reducing the number of PLP nominations needed for a leadership candidate, etc).

He'll have to lose very, very badly indeed for the 'pressure' to force him out.

Pure OMOV and the current membership means he can stay for as long as he cares to stay. Anything can be spun as Blairite resistance.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #181 on: April 21, 2017, 04:23:05 PM »
Which party's overall share of the vote do you want to contribute a tiny increase to? If you support PR (which would make your vote more meaningful, in such a constituency), probably vote Green.

Voting green wouldn't make PR any more likely, I'm not sure it's a better system than we already have.
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« Reply #182 on: April 21, 2017, 04:24:55 PM »
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #183 on: April 21, 2017, 04:26:20 PM »
I agree with all that but it's not the vast majority of the Labour Party that I worry about, it's the pro-Brexit lunatics that are in charge of the Labour party and steering the ship (into the Brexit iceberg) that I worry about.

But in any remotely possible numbers in parliament, the pro-Europe Labour MPs vastly outnumber the leadership; and Corbyn's position through the referendum was just ambiguous enough for his supporters to convince themselves that he 'tried'. Corbyn openly opposing a shift back towards a Remain/soft-Brexit position within parliament would destroy his support base.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #184 on: April 21, 2017, 04:28:00 PM »
Voting green wouldn't make PR any more likely, I'm not sure it's a better system than we already have.

In the (very) long term it probably helps. If the Greens were consistently getting 10% of the vote, but only one or two seats, it builds the case for PR. But if you're not a PR supporter, that doesn't matter anyway :).
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #185 on: April 21, 2017, 04:28:23 PM »
But in any remotely possible numbers in parliament, the pro-Europe Labour MPs vastly outnumber the leadership; and Corbyn's position through the referendum was just ambiguous enough for his supporters to convince themselves that he 'tried'. Corbyn openly opposing a shift back towards a Remain/soft-Brexit position within parliament would destroy his support base.

You mean that the PLP might lose faith in him and have a vote of no confidence?

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #186 on: April 21, 2017, 04:34:06 PM »
You mean that the PLP might lose faith in him and have a vote of no confidence?

No :); that any leadership challenge thus triggered would leave his grassroots supporters with a much clearer and more troubling choice if he was openly opposing moves to soften (let alone prevent) Brexit. It was the one issue he was vulnerable on against Smith, but was able to say he had 'campaigned' (however ineffectively) for Remain. He can't personally force a hard Brexit and maintain that same level of support.  Of course, if it's the Tories forcing Brexit his supporters can ignore his views on it and blame them.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #187 on: April 21, 2017, 04:55:07 PM »
No :); that any leadership challenge thus triggered would leave his grassroots supporters with a much clearer and more troubling choice if he was openly opposing moves to soften (let alone prevent) Brexit. It was the one issue he was vulnerable on against Smith, but was able to say he had 'campaigned' (however ineffectively) for Remain. He can't personally force a hard Brexit and maintain that same level of support.  Of course, if it's the Tories forcing Brexit his supporters can ignore his views on it and blame them.

I've seen a fair bit of defence of the Article 50 Parliamentary vote debacle saying that because the Tories had a majority, there was little Corbyn could do (not using the whip would be one thing!). Presumably that excuse will be reached for more often if/when the Tories get a bigger majority, and the PLP will be blamed for the scale of the defeat and thus the majority size.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #188 on: April 21, 2017, 05:08:05 PM »
I've seen a fair bit of defence of the Article 50 Parliamentary vote debacle saying that because the Tories had a majority, there was little Corbyn could do (not using the whip would be one thing!). Presumably that excuse will be reached for more often if/when the Tories get a bigger majority, and the PLP will be blamed for the scale of the defeat and thus the majority size.

Welfare Reform and Work Bill is the obvious riposte.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #189 on: April 21, 2017, 05:23:03 PM »
He better fucking had step down if they lose.

Surely the unions and other interested parties would be able to apply the pressure required to oust the limpid limpet?

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #190 on: April 21, 2017, 05:30:32 PM »
He better fucking had step down if they lose.

Surely the unions and other interested parties would be able to apply the pressure required to oust the limpid limpet?

I believe Len McCluskey was re-elected, so... *shrugs*
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #191 on: April 21, 2017, 05:31:43 PM »
My UKIP jibe was made with tongue firmly in cheek, but it does highlight Labour's biggest flaw (in my eyes) - their pro-Brexit stance. I like what you say and if I thought that was how it would play out then I'd have no qualms whatsoever about voting for Labour in my LAB/CON marginal. However, if, as expected, Labour's manifesto states firmly that there will NOT be a second referendum, do you really think they'll be able to do a 180 and end up holding a second referendum if they do end up partnering up with the Libs, SNP & Greens? If they go with the hard Brexit line in their manifesto I dont think they'll be able to do anything else if by some miracle they do end up in power.

use a smiley next time ya daft pillock  ;D 

The fact is, the SNP and Lib Dems will make renegotiating Brexit a condition of a coalition.  Of course, the SNP will also demand a second independence referendum, which they will undoubtedly win, regardless of Brexit.  After Scotland goes, there will be next to no chance of Labour ever forming a government ever again.

If Corbyn refuses to negotiate on Brexit, it exposes him as the Euro sceptic we all know him to be.  It will also expose his idiocy that he refuses to take power because he refuses to compromise - something else we all know about him, but his fan boys and girls at large tend to have a blind spot over.

He wont go unless his core support collapses.  A hung Parliament is the best way, possibly last way, of getting these people to see him for what he really is.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #192 on: April 21, 2017, 05:37:39 PM »
Conservative. I voted for them in 2015 as I lean small-c conservative in most issues; I'm voting for them again partly because I also voted Leave (I know, fighting talk 'round these parts ;D) and obviously want to see that go through.

It should be noted I'm from their natural heartlands in the rural South; I'm not a Scouser.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #193 on: April 21, 2017, 05:39:27 PM »
Conservative. I voted for them in 2015 as I lean small-c conservative in most issues; I'm voting for them again partly because I also voted Leave (I know, fighting talk 'round these parts ;D) and obviously want to see that go through.

It should be noted I'm from their natural heartlands in the rural South; I'm not a Scouser.
You said that without a hint of shame....
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #194 on: April 21, 2017, 05:40:54 PM »
use a smiley next time ya daft pillock  ;D 

The fact is, the SNP and Lib Dems will make renegotiating Brexit a condition of a coalition.  Of course, the SNP will also demand a second independence referendum, which they will undoubtedly win, regardless of Brexit.  After Scotland goes, there will be next to no chance of Labour ever forming a government ever again.

If Corbyn refuses to negotiate on Brexit, it exposes him as the Euro sceptic we all know him to be.  It will also expose his idiocy that he refuses to take power because he refuses to compromise - something else we all know about him, but his fan boys and girls at large tend to have a blind spot over.

He wont go unless his core support collapses.  A hung Parliament is the best way, possibly last way, of getting these people to see him for what he really is.
If Corbyn did somehow fluke it he would have no choice but to introduce PR, particularly in the light of a Scottish pro yes vote
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #195 on: April 21, 2017, 05:42:37 PM »
Conservative. I voted for them in 2015 as I lean small-c conservative in most issues; I'm voting for them again partly because I also voted Leave (I know, fighting talk 'round these parts ;D) and obviously want to see that go through.

It should be noted I'm from their natural heartlands in the rural South; I'm not a Scouser.

The Conservative party is not conservative. There is a reasonable case to be made for conservative values. However since Thatcher the Conservative party has not been conservative. It has actually been very reactionary, and the most vulnerable have paid the biggest price. May's party is not even the Tory Party of 2015, bad as that was. This version, the lunatics are driving.

I am in the rural south, and you are decidedly not speaking for me. You can own your own cuntiness.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #196 on: April 21, 2017, 05:53:15 PM »
The Conservative party is not conservative. There is a reasonable case to be made for conservative values. However since Thatcher the Conservative party has not been conservative. It has actually been very reactionary, and the most vulnerable have paid the biggest price. May's party is not even the Tory Party of 2015, bad as that was. This version, the lunatics are driving.

I am in the rural south, and you are decidedly not speaking for me. You can own your own cuntiness.
You're right; in most respects, it's conservative in name only. I'm dissatisfied with the upper echelons of the party, have been for several years now, but voting the way I do still seems like the most appropriate choice to me.

Also, is there really a need to call me names? I'm not 'c**t' because I do what I believe to be the right thing in the ballot box; I'm not a 'c**t' because I disagree with you.

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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #197 on: April 21, 2017, 05:53:45 PM »
If Corbyn did somehow fluke it he would have no choice but to introduce PR, particularly in the light of a Scottish pro yes vote

All things being equal I would agree.  Unfortunately all things are not equal.  Corbyn's incompetent, remember?

But if common sense prevailed, I'd speculate current constituency boundaries would need reviewing post Scots-it.  Losing almost 60 seats in Parliament might require a rebalancing of seats within England and Wales, regardless of PR.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #198 on: April 21, 2017, 05:53:59 PM »
Conservative. I voted for them in 2015 as I lean small-c conservative in most issues; I'm voting for them again partly because I also voted Leave (I know, fighting talk 'round these parts ;D) and obviously want to see that go through.

It should be noted I'm from their natural heartlands in the rural South; I'm not a Scouser.
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Re: How will you be voting in the General Election on June 8th?
« Reply #199 on: April 21, 2017, 06:00:51 PM »
The Conservative party is not conservative. There is a reasonable case to be made for conservative values. However since Thatcher the Conservative party has not been conservative. It has actually been very reactionary, and the most vulnerable have paid the biggest price. May's party is not even the Tory Party of 2015, bad as that was. This version, the lunatics are driving.

I am in the rural south, and you are decidedly not speaking for me. You can own your own cuntiness.

I've never voted Tory and was a passionate remainer but for the first time I'm considering it.  I was a socialist when I was younger but my views have changed, I believe the worst thing that could happen to the most vulnerable people in this country is Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister because he'd preside over economic disaster.  Yes the rich would become poorer but so would the poor.  I am still a card-carrying lib dem supporter but the irony of the liberal DEMOCRATS trying to ignore a democratic vote on membership of the EU is extraordinary.  I loved the orange book liberals (Vince Cable, Nick Clegg, Chris Huhne, etc.) but they've nearly all gone now and cockends like Tim Farron on the left of the party have taken over, so there's really very little choice as far as I'm concerned.

As I said on another thread, the worst thing, in my opinion, that could happen to this country, the thing that could most endanger the ability for me to look after and protect my family and provide the best possible life for my loved ones is a labour government lead by Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnel, and my vote will reflect that view.  If that makes me a c*nt, then guilty as charged.