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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1080 on: March 6, 2017, 08:27:30 am »
Anyone think Gomez should get a run as starting left back over Milner here and there? I think it's definitely worth a shot.

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1081 on: March 6, 2017, 09:00:31 am »
Anyone think Gomez should get a run as starting left back over Milner here and there? I think it's definitely worth a shot.

Thought he was far too right footed myself to play left back , though quite assured on the ball he only has to be shown to his left and he struggled . Our full backs are designed to be part of the attack not sure he has that in him as left back .

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« Reply #1082 on: March 6, 2017, 11:01:18 am »
Anyone think Gomez should get a run as starting left back over Milner here and there? I think it's definitely worth a shot.

We need to stop with this business of playing players out of their best positions. Our transfer business should be to bring in really good players in their best positions, and then use them there. Otherwise we'll just find the same problem season after season.

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« Reply #1083 on: March 6, 2017, 12:54:18 pm »
Anyone think Gomez should get a run as starting left back over Milner here and there? I think it's definitely worth a shot.

Absolutely not.  Milner is too reliant on his right foot as it is.  We don't need someone in that position who isn't as good in attack as Milner is and who is more reliant on his right foot then Milner is. 

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« Reply #1084 on: March 6, 2017, 12:55:05 pm »
We need to stop with this business of playing players out of their best positions. Our transfer business should be to bring in really good players in their best positions, and then use them there. Otherwise we'll just find the same problem season after season.

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« Reply #1085 on: March 6, 2017, 12:55:52 pm »
Absolutely not.  Milner is too reliant on his right foot as it is.  We don't need someone in that position who isn't as good in attack as Milner is and who is more reliant on his right foot then Milner is. 

Completely agree, I believe its one of our biggest issues is a right footed left back. Milner average position is much more central than Clyne, which results in a very unbalanced offensive approach.

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« Reply #1086 on: March 6, 2017, 12:59:13 pm »
Completely agree, I believe its one of our biggest issues is a right footed left back. Milner average position is much more central than Clyne, which results in a very unbalanced offensive approach.

And one of our biggest issues playing against teams who pack the box is that we rely on our fullbacks to provide width.  Both Milner and Clyne tend to move central with the ball.  As you said, Milner more then Clyne due to being played on the left but more comfortable using his right foot. 

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« Reply #1087 on: March 6, 2017, 01:17:41 pm »
And one of our biggest issues playing against teams who pack the box is that we rely on our fullbacks to provide width.  Both Milner and Clyne tend to move central with the ball.  As you said, Milner more then Clyne due to being played on the left but more comfortable using his right foot. 

Too true, although in recent weeks I have seen a much bigger effort from Clyne to try and get past the fullback and cross.
Ok most have resulted in corners which would be ok if we ever looked like scoring from them but thats another post.

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1088 on: March 6, 2017, 01:23:05 pm »
We need to stop with this business of playing players out of their best positions. Our transfer business should be to bring in really good players in their best positions, and then use them there. Otherwise we'll just find the same problem season after season.

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« Reply #1089 on: March 6, 2017, 01:24:30 pm »
Too true, although in recent weeks I have seen a much bigger effort from Clyne to try and get past the fullback and cross.
Ok most have resulted in corners which would be ok if we ever looked like scoring from them but thats another post.

We don't necessarily need him to try and get past the fullback and cross the ball.  What we really need is for him to stop dribbling into central areas when when he gets the ball.  It'd be much better if he would pass into those central areas and, either stay wide or look to make a run in behind after passing.  Of course, he'll need to mix things up and take on the defender at times as well. 

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« Reply #1090 on: March 6, 2017, 01:26:26 pm »
We don't necessarily need him to try and get past the fullback and cross the ball.  What we really need is for him to stop dribbling into central areas when when he gets the ball.  It'd be much better if he would pass into those central areas and, either stay wide or look to make a run in behind after passing.  Of course, he'll need to mix things up and take on the defender at times as well. 
yep its about doing something creative, too many times he runs and chooses the wrong options or seems to not know what to do and then it goes backwards or sideways.

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« Reply #1091 on: March 6, 2017, 02:32:52 pm »
yep its about doing something creative, too many times he runs and chooses the wrong options or seems to not know what to do and then it goes backwards or sideways.

Yeah and it's exactly what those teams that put 11 men behind the ball want.  in my opinion, one of the biggest areas of the squad that needs upgrading. 

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« Reply #1092 on: March 6, 2017, 03:30:53 pm »
We need to stop with this business of playing players out of their best positions. Our transfer business should be to bring in really good players in their best positions, and then use them there. Otherwise we'll just find the same problem season after season.

absolutely. we do have one but he is sitting on the bench and a defensive disaster waiting to happen.

LB is one of the positions that always seem to be our achilles heel.  Its a tough balance between defensive solidity and attacking prowess.

I actually like LB. He has made a career of playing in the wing and it shows. Knows when to come and go and when to defend and attack. Coupled with the fact that he never stops running and have a top engine makes him a pretty decent fullback. Only weakness as already mentioned here is he is too right footed.

Just throwing a spanner in the works here but I expect a bit more from Clyne attacking wise. 0 goals and 2 assists is a pretty poor output. I was expecting him and mane to set fire on the right side of the pitch but only 1 player has been excelling so far.


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« Reply #1093 on: March 6, 2017, 03:48:28 pm »
I agree with the arguments regarding the importance of the fullbacks. Playing right footed players has harmed us for the past 10 years (if not more) and will give us an extra dimension when we fix it. Regarding Clyne I am perplexed how everyone seems to rate him as one of our best players. For me, it's a position which must be upgraded if we are to compete for the league. Unfortunately we have too many positions to fix before RB become a priority.

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« Reply #1094 on: March 6, 2017, 07:34:33 pm »
I agree with the arguments regarding the importance of the fullbacks. Playing right footed players has harmed us for the past 10 years (if not more) and will give us an extra dimension when we fix it. Regarding Clyne I am perplexed how everyone seems to rate him as one of our best players. For me, it's a position which must be upgraded if we are to compete for the league. Unfortunately we have too many positions to fix before RB become a priority.

It's a residue of the fact that we are comparatively very weak in other positions. Clyne isn't terrible, playing out of position, or always injured and generally puts in fairly solid, if unspectacular, performances. It's quite easy to look elsewhere to see where our problems might lie e.g. left back, DM, winger

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« Reply #1095 on: March 7, 2017, 09:36:23 am »
I am wondering if it could just be as simple as sitting the two CB's deep and our no 6 as a deep lying playmaker just above the cb's. Keep 3 back at all times for a prolonged period of the game, leaving space where our no 6 usually is for the opposition to exploit and play into. Which could bring them out and play into our hands? It's all about setting traps against the weaker teams. We can press and press and press against them but they will always go route one and direct. Maybe instead of gegenpressing, we just press with our attackers, as realistically this is where they'll make their mistakes, as they are poor players in comparison. If we don't win possession back through our attackers we let them come at us in midfield and defense, with both banks structured, deeper than usual and hard to break down. It makes no sense to press a midfield that will 9/10 times be bypassed in my opinion. Counter their strengths and we will easily take advantage of their weakness.

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1096 on: March 7, 2017, 03:31:44 pm »
I am wondering if it could just be as simple as sitting the two CB's deep and our no 6 as a deep lying playmaker just above the cb's. Keep 3 back at all times for a prolonged period of the game, leaving space where our no 6 usually is for the opposition to exploit and play into. Which could bring them out and play into our hands? It's all about setting traps against the weaker teams. We can press and press and press against them but they will always go route one and direct. Maybe instead of gegenpressing, we just press with our attackers, as realistically this is where they'll make their mistakes, as they are poor players in comparison. If we don't win possession back through our attackers we let them come at us in midfield and defense, with both banks structured, deeper than usual and hard to break down. It makes no sense to press a midfield that will 9/10 times be bypassed in my opinion. Counter their strengths and we will easily take advantage of their weakness.

Its a good shout. And also, to be honest it really depends on who you have playing that deepest midfield role or DM as it is sometimes called.

Jordan Henderson is not a natural DM, who knows when to snuff out opposition attacks. He is a converted box-to-box midfielder. You upgrade that position and the effect on the team could be quite dramatic.

You are right as well though, that this new player could sit a little deeper, especially if they also have a good skillset in passing the ball; which may well be essential there.

Outside of this, Klopp's system will work much better with upgrades on both sides at full-back, especially attacking wise. The addition of another quick winger would be a massive help as well. And more essentially a very substantial signing to partner Matip, at left-side centre-back is also essential.

In short: Upgrade the first team. Shift some good players to the bench AND buy one or two youngsters to add to the plan B, C situations.

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It might be as simple as buying a specialist for that position and bringing Jordan in as a squad player or box-to-box option as need be.
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« Reply #1097 on: March 7, 2017, 04:33:21 pm »
I dont know about his tactics but Klopp took the club to La Manga which had similar weather to Liverpool. Temperature wise it was 5 degrees warmer in La Manga then liverpool throughout their stay.
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1098 on: March 7, 2017, 05:02:33 pm »


If anyone comes in for Milner, it's Moreno.

I think Moreno should be getting more minutes. He'll probably be off in the summer but he's got raw pace and energy and Milner has been lacking that lately with the number of games he's been playing. Yeah, we know about Moreno's defensive issues but he'll cause more problems for the opposition going forward than Milner.

We don't defend well at all anyway, 34 goals conceded in the league with 11 games to go is quite shocking.

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« Reply #1099 on: March 7, 2017, 05:06:10 pm »
I think Moreno should be getting more minutes. He'll probably be off in the summer but he's got raw pace and energy and Milner has been lacking that lately with the number of games he's been playing. Yeah, we know about Moreno's defensive issues but he'll cause more problems for the opposition going forward than Milner.

We don't defend well at all anyway, 34 goals conceded in the league with 11 games to go is quite shocking.

I would definitely play Moreno against Burnley because we're going to have to do something much different to the Arsenal game. Need pace and width in games where the opposition will have 4 banks of 2 behind the ball which is exactly what Burnley are going to do on Sunday.
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« Reply #1100 on: March 7, 2017, 05:39:21 pm »
I dont know about his tactics but Klopp took the club to La Manga which had similar weather to Liverpool. Temperature wise it was 5 degrees warmer in La Manga then liverpool throughout their stay.

You don't go on trips like that just for the weather. 

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« Reply #1101 on: March 7, 2017, 06:34:14 pm »
I think Moreno should be getting more minutes. He'll probably be off in the summer but he's got raw pace and energy and Milner has been lacking that lately with the number of games he's been playing. Yeah, we know about Moreno's defensive issues but he'll cause more problems for the opposition going forward than Milner.

We don't defend well at all anyway, 34 goals conceded in the league with 11 games to go is quite shocking.
I broadly agree and, to be honest, the "defensive issues" with Moreno are mainly down to his rushes of blood. In terms of his positioning and understanding of how to play left back, he's a better defender than Milner. It's the brain farts that are the issue and Milner doesn't have them to the same extent.
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« Reply #1102 on: March 7, 2017, 07:14:03 pm »
I think Moreno should be getting more minutes. He'll probably be off in the summer but he's got raw pace and energy and Milner has been lacking that lately with the number of games he's been playing. Yeah, we know about Moreno's defensive issues but he'll cause more problems for the opposition going forward than Milner.

We don't defend well at all anyway, 34 goals conceded in the league with 11 games to go is quite shocking.
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« Reply #1103 on: March 7, 2017, 07:41:07 pm »
I would definitely play Moreno against Burnley because we're going to have to do something much different to the Arsenal game. Need pace and width in games where the opposition will have 4 banks of 2 behind the ball which is exactly what Burnley are going to do on Sunday.

One of the most surprising things about Klopps time here is that he rarely makes these personnel changes for different opposition. He sometimes changes the system or tweaks it but rarely personnel unless there's an injury. It's odd because this particular change - Moreno for Milner vs the bus parking dross would seem to be an obvious one

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« Reply #1104 on: March 8, 2017, 02:22:44 am »
You don't go on trips like that just for the weather.
It was intended for "warm weather training".
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« Reply #1105 on: March 8, 2017, 03:40:25 am »
I'm just piling on but I agree with the general sentiment that Clyne & Milner are really good fullbacks against the top 6 but against bus parkers they don't have the right attributes and are one of our major problem areas.

I wouldn't go upgrading Clyne just yet, but Milner's position must be upgraded given that he's playing on the wrong side and is past 30 years old.  Milner can still be a squad utility player while seeing out his contract.

If we had a very aggressive attacking LB we may be better off with a more defensive RB like Clyne anyway to keep balance.

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« Reply #1106 on: March 8, 2017, 09:30:45 am »
I'm just piling on but I agree with the general sentiment that Clyne & Milner are really good fullbacks against the top 6 but against bus parkers they don't have the right attributes and are one of our major problem areas.

I wouldn't go upgrading Clyne just yet, but Milner's position must be upgraded given that he's playing on the wrong side and is past 30 years old.  Milner can still be a squad utility player while seeing out his contract.

If we had a very aggressive attacking LB we may be better off with a more defensive RB like Clyne anyway to keep balance.
You should've stopped right there, I think. For the moment scoring doesn't really seem to be the problem against the lower ranked teams. To me, it looks more a problem of maintaining defensive stability and balance while attacking. Throwing in more aggressive fullbacks then isn't really the solution. We just concede to easy and are prone to counterattacks.

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« Reply #1107 on: March 8, 2017, 10:08:00 am »
All depends on how quick the full backs are and how much more effective they'd be. A quick full back could get back to cover a counter. As well as being able to actually cross the ball efficiently and get past their man, improving our chances of scoring. I think in our system the full backs are possibly the most important positions as they are integral to the attack and defence. If we can upgrade both positions we'd improve ten fold. I'd be happy with just the LB upgrade though going forward, with TAA a possible to be the future upgraded RB.

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« Reply #1108 on: March 8, 2017, 10:31:52 am »
In regards to park the bus teams and the need for width to stretch the teams why don t we look at the full picture and ask when Milner cuts in, who is going on the outside? Clyne and Sane mix it up pretty well ...why don't we have a similar balance on the left especially when we know Milner loves to cut in. There is several players on the pitch who should be drifting from either side to give us additional width. Sane for one could swop wings more, the likes of Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana should be stretching the opposition when the inside channels get swamped with bodies hell even Gino or Henderson could occasionally pop up on the outside as I have seen some fine crosses from Hendo over the years. We saw what happened when Sane went to the Africa Cup, the lack of width in the rest of the squad was highlighted. Obviously we need an injection of options and those who are here should be more than capable of stretching the opposition. Our urge to play down the middle over the past 5 years and more has clogged us up in many a game and its a joy to see someone like Sane not get a nose bleed if he gets near the sidelines.
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« Reply #1109 on: March 8, 2017, 10:39:31 am »
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« Reply #1110 on: March 8, 2017, 11:07:31 am »
I think Moreno should be getting more minutes. He'll probably be off in the summer but he's got raw pace and energy and Milner has been lacking that lately with the number of games he's been playing. Yeah, we know about Moreno's defensive issues but he'll cause more problems for the opposition going forward than Milner.

We don't defend well at all anyway, 34 goals conceded in the league with 11 games to go is quite shocking.

Think there's a case for Moreno playing against all the bottom half sides. It's when he's playing against wide players with clever movement that he struggles. I reckon against a Jordan Ibe type, someone who's pretty transparent in what he does when attacking, it's worth taking the risk to have the extra pace going forward.

Saying that, i never wanted to see Moreno play another game for Liverpool after Sevilla and i nearly threw a bottle at the TV after his mad 5 minutes against Arsenal, another dodgy moment might tip me over the edge.

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« Reply #1111 on: March 8, 2017, 11:54:25 am »
Wasn't sure where to put this, but thread title mentions tactics, so that's reasoning behind choice.

I'm wondering if there's a way to exploit the offside rule, and in particular the way that linesmen only seem to flag once the offside player touches the ball.

Last night during the Arsenal / Bayern game, there were loads of moments when Bayern had opportunities to thread a through ball into acres of space. The part I found interesting was that two or three times there was a guy clearly offside when the ball was played. This seemed to cause the defence to pause/relax waiting for the inevitable flag. However, there was a different runner coming from deeper who was onside, got to ball and then had a simple 2 v 1 on the keeper. I think the best example was Lewandowski and Robben, with Robben just nicking it round the goalkeeper in the end, but not completing the pass..

Don't know if it's something that we could look to put into practice, I imagine the majority of the games we won't get too much space to exploit in behind the defence. There may be chances to though, and it may make breaching a well organised high line a simpler task...

Anyway, thought I'd dump my thoughts here..

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« Reply #1112 on: March 8, 2017, 12:16:37 pm »
Pep's Barca did something similair where someone like messi would stand offside in the box, Alves/whoever would make a run in to the box from an onside position then try to find the now onside messi/player.

Probably easier to run when you have Iniesta/fabregas/xavi/messi playing the initial ball but something teams vs deep blocks should be trying if there's some space.

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« Reply #1113 on: March 8, 2017, 12:35:04 pm »
In regards to park the bus teams and the need for width to stretch the teams why don t we look at the full picture and ask when Milner cuts in, who is going on the outside? Clyne and Sane mix it up pretty well ...why don't we have a similar balance on the left especially when we know Milner loves to cut in. There is several players on the pitch who should be drifting from either side to give us additional width. Sane for one could swop wings more, the likes of Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana should be stretching the opposition when the inside channels get swamped with bodies hell even Gino or Henderson could occasionally pop up on the outside as I have seen some fine crosses from Hendo over the years. We saw what happened when Sane went to the Africa Cup, the lack of width in the rest of the squad was highlighted. Obviously we need an injection of options and those who are here should be more than capable of stretching the opposition. Our urge to play down the middle over the past 5 years and more has clogged us up in many a game and its a joy to see someone like Sane not get a nose bleed if he gets near the sidelines.

You want the whole team to compensate for Milner? Coutinho is our wide attacker on the left and he cuts in. You want him to change what he does in the hope of getting something more from Milner?

What about having a wingback on the left that can go wide and deep, that can cross with his left or get around the back and feed the ball into the middle with his left? A real threat down the left that draws defenders and creates space in the middle? And let Coutinho be Coutinho, except with more space to operate in.
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1114 on: March 8, 2017, 04:35:54 pm »
Haa just saw I had Sane on my mind jesus shoot me sorry :) Love to see how the team would perform with a left sided Mane as look how our side has blossomed attack wise with the addition of the first decent winger we have bought in a decade or two. Imagine it with two wingers, which also adds cover to when one gets injured or is MIA for his country. We have tried the wing back route for our width for years and all combined probably will not match the assist / goals Mane will achieve this season. Our full backs should not be more attack minded as we cant buy a clean sheet some days. I much prefer a left back who can defend first when asked as no point having a brilliant wing back providing you with 3 or 4 goals / similar assists a season when the defence is shipping out goals to the opposition every week. Must be some sort of balance to it all I guess.
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1115 on: March 8, 2017, 11:45:35 pm »
Ever since that famous V.Gaal Ajax team 343 diamond shape has always been my favorite formation as you get to have two box-to-box midfielders, number 10, striker and two wingers all at the same time and also you don't need no boring fullbacks, no need to watch Clyne and Milner toil in the final third trying to create.

I know Klopp will never use it but watching how Barca lately flourished (more than usual) using this formation it made me jealous because this shape would work wonders for us well because we would get to use all our players in their best positions. Can as a 6, Hendo and Lallana as box-to-box midfielders making late 3rd man runs into the box, Gini as a 10 where he can be as effective as he was at Newcastle, Phil and Mane as wingers but with licence to get within the frame of the goal at end of our moves and Firmino as a striker.

We would literally have all our best players in their best positions, no square pegs in round holes plus we wouldn't have to kid ourselves that we really need Clyne and Milner in the final third as they don't even overlap to get to the byline that much if at all.

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1116 on: March 8, 2017, 11:52:34 pm »
Think we need to point out that Barca have 3 of maybe the 10 best players in the world up front and big quality pretty much everywhere. Having that sort of talent advantage gives you a lot more room to try risky stuff like that.


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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1117 on: March 9, 2017, 11:32:55 am »
Think we need to point out that Barca have 3 of maybe the 10 best players in the world up front and big quality pretty much everywhere. Having that sort of talent advantage gives you a lot more room to try risky stuff like that.

Indeed, and they also have Umtiti and Mascherano who are both very quick for centre halves and well suited to covering their respective flanks. I think we'd need two new centre backs to play either side of Matip or Lovren for that formation to have a good chance of succeeding. Certainly a left-sided one anyway.

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1118 on: March 9, 2017, 12:43:23 pm »
Good analysis of our team on the Double Pivot podcast this week (its a good podcast - very nerdy and they're american so won't be for most people).

They point out our attack is basically as good as anyone's including against weaker teams but that we give up far too many quality chances against the dross.
Our expected goals conceded is actually worse against the worse teams ..... which is insane

Their diagnosis was that we over commit against weaker teams and leave too many holes and that our centre backs and goal keeper aren't good enough to save us when left exposed. (also pointing out that a lot wouldn't be the way we play)
They also point out that we've proved we can be super effective playing more compact because we do it against the big teams.

Intersting as they discuss - these things are usually just variance / luck but in our case this season it does seem to be a systemic issue against the lesser teams and has more to do with our defence than our attack

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics
« Reply #1119 on: March 9, 2017, 12:51:43 pm »
Good analysis of our team on the Double Pivot podcast this week (its a good podcast - very nerdy and they're american so won't be for most people).

They point out our attack is basically as good as anyone's including against weaker teams but that we give up far too many quality chances against the dross.
Our expected goals conceded is actually worse against the worse teams ..... which is insane

Their diagnosis was that we over commit against weaker teams and leave too many holes and that our centre backs and goal keeper aren't good enough to save us when left exposed. (also pointing out that a lot wouldn't be the way we play)
They also point out that we've proved we can be super effective playing more compact because we do it against the big teams.

Intersting as they discuss - these things are usually just variance / luck but in our case this season it does seem to be a systemic issue against the lesser teams and has more to do with our defence than our attack

That sounds spot on to me.
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