Author Topic: Brexit - doesn't really seem to be a very good idea does it? (*) (Read 869813 times)

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #120 on:** October 12, 2016, 08:16:57 pm »

Quote from: saoirse08 on October 12, 2016, 03:51:18 pm

Feels like over the last few weeks - indeed ever since the Crack Brexit Team was assembled and began opening their respective gobs - as if the government is attempting to play poker with its cards completely exposed to all the other players around the table. To be fair, though, and in its defence, anybody asking questions of the Crack Brexit Team is obviously, and quite willfully, trying to undermine the Crack Brexit Team's negotiation position prior to the negotiations actually taking place.

I, for one, believe in the Crack Brexit Team and put my trust in its collective wits.

You spelt twits wrong

oldfordie · « **Reply #121 on:** October 12, 2016, 08:17:31 pm »

Quote from: Laughter is the best medicine... on October 12, 2016, 08:11:25 pm

just think marmite could destroy brexit

Brexit. you either love it or hate it.
Stolen from twitter.

naka · « **Reply #122 on:** October 12, 2016, 08:52:45 pm »

Quote from: Trada on October 12, 2016, 08:45:54 am

I started to feel sorry for the caller as he was slowly taken apart.

Superb

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #123 on:** October 12, 2016, 09:35:53 pm »

Quote from: Rhi on October 12, 2016, 07:38:21 pm

Unilever products have been "delisted" or are out of stock on Tesco online because Unilever want to increase prices due to a weak £, and Tesco refused. They've not been able to reach a compromise.

This is potentially massive news that could have huge knock-on effects.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-pound-slump-triggers-row-between-tesco-and-unilever-products-like-marmite-run-low_uk_57fe8bf8e4b0e982146bbfeb

The full story!!!

Dr. Beaker · « **Reply #124 on:** October 12, 2016, 09:39:45 pm »

So presumably the other supermarkets have agreed to raise prices. The old swingometer will be for a majority remain very shortly if it isn't already.

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #125 on:** October 12, 2016, 09:44:33 pm »

Quote from: Dr. Beaker on October 12, 2016, 09:39:45 pm

So presumably the other supermarkets have agreed to raise prices. The old swingometer will be for a majority remain very shortly if it isn't already.

It only needs a few more events like this and there'll be huge pressure to come out and say it's going to be a total disaster, just like 9/10 experts said it was.

Johnny Foreigner · « **Reply #126 on:** October 12, 2016, 09:46:51 pm »

We're not a super power, but based on what seems to be reliable sources - norway turned down invitation to discuss trade deal. didn't want to piss off off EU

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #127 on:** October 12, 2016, 09:54:36 pm »

Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on October 12, 2016, 09:46:51 pm

We're not a super power, but based on what seems to be reliable sources - norway turned down invitation to discuss trade deal. didn't want to piss off off EU

Sauce???

rob1966 · « **Reply #128 on:** October 12, 2016, 10:10:01 pm »

Quote from: Dr. Beaker on October 12, 2016, 09:39:45 pm

So presumably the other supermarkets have agreed to raise prices. The old swingometer will be for a majority remain very shortly if it isn't already.

Watching it on BBC news now,looks like the others haven't agreed anything yet. Business expert said the boss of Tesco used to work for Unilever and knows their pricing and costs etc. Was mention that Unilever are trying it on a bit as a lot of the stuff is made in the UK, they've a big place in Bromborough and I used to run stuff out of Preston Brook to Tesco before they moved it to the Midlands.

There will be loads who got duped by leave who will start feeling the pinch soon and will wonder what the fuck they voted for.

oldfordie · « **Reply #129 on:** October 12, 2016, 10:33:16 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on October 12, 2016, 10:10:01 pm

Watching it on BBC news now,looks like the others haven't agreed anything yet. Business expert said the boss of Tesco used to work for Unilever and knows their pricing and costs etc. Was mention that Unilever are trying it on a bit as a lot of the stuff is made in the UK, they've a big place in Bromborough and I used to run stuff out of Preston Brook to Tesco before they moved it to the Midlands.

There will be loads who got duped by leave who will start feeling the pinch soon and will wonder what the fuck they voted for.

Hopefully it's a blessing in disguise. people finally sit up and start looking into the facts of Brexit.
Sadly there will be many who will just put all this down to uncertainty and scaremongering.
I can't understand the logic of this as the biggest uncertainty is are we going to have access to the single market. so it's the prospect of not being in the single market that's causing the panic, imagine what will happen if that becomes a fact.?

killer-heels · « **Reply #130 on:** October 12, 2016, 11:32:11 pm »

No Pot Noodle for the racist, dumb Brexiteers. Shame.

RayPhilAlan · « **Reply #131 on:** October 12, 2016, 11:35:38 pm »

Quote from: Laughter is the best medicine... on October 12, 2016, 08:11:25 pm

just think marmite could destroy brexit

Marmite was unavailable in New Zealand for several months a year or two ago - that time was known here as Marmageddon

kavah · « **Reply #132 on:** October 13, 2016, 01:50:20 am »

Brexit divorce bill of up to €20bn

British Eurosceptic MPs are likely to react badly to the news that UK taxpayers might have to pay billions of pounds to Europe as the price of Brexit. One minister said: “It will have to be explained very carefully ..."

“We could actually end up paying more into the EU budget. That will be a big story in the next two years.”

https://www.ft.com/content/3c1eb988-9081-11e6-a72e-b428cb934b78

rob1966 · « **Reply #133 on:** October 13, 2016, 07:52:37 am »

Quote from: Yorkykopite on October 12, 2016, 03:23:51 pm

It's frustrating of course when emotion seems to get the better of reason at the polls or when outright lies exert their dominion over actual facts. But, yes, the alternative to a free election (ie a circumscribed one where only the 'intelligent' vote) is the royal road to despotism.

Or straight out racism. Two lads at my wife's work voted leave to and I quote, "get the fucking Pakistanis out". Scrotes in salford college voted as, once the fucking immigrants have gone we'll get their benefits.

The simple solution was obviously to never hold a referendum on something so important.

redbyrdz · « **Reply #134 on:** October 13, 2016, 08:17:48 am »

The more I think about it, the less I understand why May thinks she can just do it without a vote in parliament. This is the biggest political and economical decision the country has faced in decades, and itis going to be forced through by a PM who never faced a general election (and arguably only has the job because nobody else wanted it) on the basis of a referendum that is not legally binding. Can someone explain where the legal basis is?

Decisions like this should need a 2/3 majority vote in parliament imo.

Mouth · « **Reply #135 on:** October 13, 2016, 08:38:04 am »

Quote from: Laughter is the best medicine... on October 12, 2016, 08:11:25 pm

just think marmite could destroy brexit

First they came for Marmite. And I did not speak out. Because I did not eat Marmite...

Zeb · « **Reply #136 on:** October 13, 2016, 08:53:54 am »

Quote from: redbyrdz on October 13, 2016, 08:17:48 am

The more I think about it, the less I understand why May thinks she can just do it without a vote in parliament. This is the biggest political and economical decision the country has faced in decades, and itis going to be forced through by a PM who never faced a general election (and arguably only has the job because nobody else wanted it) on the basis of a referendum that is not legally binding. Can someone explain where the legal basis is?

Decisions like this should need a 2/3 majority vote in parliament imo.

It's a treaty so royal prerogative comes into play. Government doesn't need support in parliament for treaties. It's when it comes to how the treaties work in British law that Parliament can properly demand a vote. May's possibly trying to head some of this off by trying to transfer European law wholesale into British law (if that's still her plan), but she can cancel any treaty she pleases as First Lord of the Treasury, or via the Privy Council, acting on behalf of the Queen.

redbyrdz · « **Reply #137 on:** October 13, 2016, 08:56:33 am »

Quote from: Zeb on October 13, 2016, 08:53:54 am

It's a treaty so royal prerogative comes into play. Government doesn't need support in parliament for treaties. It's when it comes to how the treaties work in British law that Parliament can properly demand a vote. May's possibly trying to head some of this off by trying to transfer European law wholesale into British law (if that's still her plan), but she can cancel any treaty she pleases as First Lord of the Treasury, or via the Privy Council, acting on behalf of the Queen.

Cheers. Thats where being a monarchy bites you in the arse.

butchersdog · « **Reply #138 on:** October 13, 2016, 09:02:16 am »

Quote from: oldfordie on October 12, 2016, 10:33:16 pm

Hopefully it's a blessing in disguise. people finally sit up and start looking into the facts of Brexit.
Sadly there will be many who will just put all this down to uncertainty and scaremongering.
I can't understand the logic of this as the biggest uncertainty is are we going to have access to the single market. so it's the prospect of not being in the single market that's causing the panic, imagine what will happen if that becomes a fact.?

Project fear mate

killer-heels · « **Reply #139 on:** October 13, 2016, 09:33:52 am »

There is only one winner here and it isnt Tesco. The retailers are shitting it at having to put prices up and the consumer impact that will have. They just dont want to be the first but when one does (and they will) then the rest can follow suit.

Zeb · « **Reply #140 on:** October 13, 2016, 09:51:14 am »

Quote from: redbyrdz on October 13, 2016, 08:56:33 am

Cheers. Thats where being a monarchy bites you in the arse.

Yeah. Was going to say that there'll be challenges over this, and one's already just started: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37639307

Quote

Her legal team, headed by constitutional lawyer and cross-bench peer Lord Pannick, is expected to argue that invoking Article 50 will threaten the rights of individuals enshrined in the 1972 European Communities Act - the piece of legislation which paved the way for the UK to join the European Economic Community.

Only Parliament, they will argue, can remove or reduce rights granted under law and Article 50 must have the consent of the House of Commons and the House of Lords...

[vs]

"The decision to withdraw from the EU is not justiciable," [documents prepared by ministers] stated. "It is a matter of the highest policy reserved to the Crown."

MichaelA · « **Reply #141 on:** October 13, 2016, 09:52:36 am »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 13, 2016, 09:33:52 am

There is only one winner here and it isnt Tesco.

There are no winners here. I'm a retailer and I know what's coming down the line from my US & European suppliers. It's also worth pointing out that big suppliers will be buying up raw crops, product and material months and months in advance of production, so the impact on wholesale and retail prices will be significantly delayed in some cases.

Unless people suddenly stop buying (for instance) Marmite, wholesale and subsequently retail prices on some products are inevitably going to jump. The inevitable corollary of that is rising inflation. Overall, volume sales may fall. It's just not possible for any of the above not to happen.

west_london_red · « **Reply #142 on:** October 13, 2016, 09:53:51 am »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 13, 2016, 09:33:52 am

There is only one winner here and it isnt Tesco. The retailers are shitting it at having to put prices up and the consumer impact that will have. They just dont want to be the first but when one does (and they will) then the rest can follow suit.

Not so sure Tesco's will come out of this as a loser - its a bit of good PR if anything. Fighting for its customers, flying the flag etc etc

Dr. Beaker · « **Reply #143 on:** October 13, 2016, 10:19:12 am »

Quote from: MichaelA on October 13, 2016, 09:52:36 am

Unless people suddenly stop buying (for instance) Marmite

Necessity is the mother of invention. I'm sure people will soon discover you can achieve the same results by just boiling up your own shite.

cloggypop · « **Reply #144 on:** October 13, 2016, 10:25:52 am »

HP sauce is made in the Netherlands these days.

Dr. Beaker · « **Reply #145 on:** October 13, 2016, 10:26:47 am »

Quote from: cloggypop on October 13, 2016, 10:25:52 am

HP sauce is made in the Netherlands these days.

Sauce?

cloggypop · « **Reply #146 on:** October 13, 2016, 10:29:29 am »

Quote from: Dr. Beaker on October 13, 2016, 10:26:47 am

Sauce?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1517970/British-are-browned-off-as-HP-Sauce-goes-Dutch.html

MOZ · « **Reply #147 on:** October 13, 2016, 10:30:31 am »

Dr. Beaker · « **Reply #148 on:** October 13, 2016, 10:31:45 am »

Well if nothing else maybe we'll all stop buying (for instance) a pot of yoghurt that has been transported god knows how many thousand kilometres between being created, packaged up and delivered. Though when you broaden it out a bit, it's going to start becoming painfully obvious to all where we stand as a manufacturing nation.

killer-heels · « **Reply #149 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:05:51 am »

Quote from: west_london_red on October 13, 2016, 09:53:51 am

Not so sure Tesco's will come out of this as a loser - its a bit of good PR if anything. Fighting for its customers, flying the flag etc etc

Thats ok but not when the products involve have a genuine consumer link/loyalty like Marmite. Its good PR and thats why they put it out, but inflation is inevitable.

HarryLabrador · « **Reply #150 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:06:26 am »

Quote from: MOZ on October 13, 2016, 10:30:31 am

My friends from Australia sent me a pot of vegemite.....

Dr. Beaker · « **Reply #151 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:31:22 am »

With friends like that...............

richiedouglas · « **Reply #152 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:40:19 am »

The Sturgeon's going for another referendum. Not surprised.

Hate referendums.

Don't suppose the government can just say no?

rob1966 · « **Reply #153 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:41:12 am »

Quote from: Dr. Beaker on October 13, 2016, 10:31:45 am

Well if nothing else maybe we'll all stop buying (for instance) a pot of yoghurt that has been transported god knows how many thousand kilometres between being created, packaged up and delivered. Though when you broaden it out a bit, it's going to start becoming painfully obvious to all where we stand as a manufacturing nation.

That throws up a whole host of other issues such as building the factories, finding the staff to work there, getting the trucks to move the stuff etc.

Dr. Beaker · « **Reply #154 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:45:12 am »

Quote from: rob1966 on October 13, 2016, 11:41:12 am

That throws up a whole host of other issues such as building the factories, finding the staff to work there, getting the trucks to move the stuff etc.

We haven't even got enough people with the skills to do the building.

HarryLabrador · « **Reply #155 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:48:30 am »

Quote from: Dr. Beaker on October 13, 2016, 11:31:22 am

With friends like that...............

Just ordered a large jar of marmite. Am I panicking.... this is only the start...what have you done you brexiting imbeciles!! Listened to Sturgeon's SNP party conference a moment ago, and I truly loved listening to her, not just what she says but how she says it.

MOZ · « **Reply #156 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:50:02 am »

Quote from: Dr. Beaker on October 13, 2016, 11:45:12 am

We haven't even got enough people with the skills to do the building.

But we could just bring them in from Eur... Oh.

Dr. Beaker · « **Reply #157 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:53:14 am »

Maybe we could retrain all those soon to be unemployed people in Sunderland so that they could build themselves a Marmite factory - Harry Lab could be the slavemaster, standing behind them with a whip.

Kashinoda · « **Reply #158 on:** October 13, 2016, 11:56:45 am »

Quote from: richiedouglas on October 13, 2016, 11:40:19 am

The Sturgeon's going for another referendum. Not surprised.

Hate referendums.

Don't suppose the government can just say no?

Can't blame them, and there goes the Union.

OperationIvy · « **Reply #159 on:** October 13, 2016, 12:26:31 pm »

Quote from: kavah on October 13, 2016, 01:50:20 am

Brexit divorce bill of up to €20bn

British Eurosceptic MPs are likely to react badly to the news that UK taxpayers might have to pay billions of pounds to Europe as the price of Brexit. One minister said: “It will have to be explained very carefully ..."

“We could actually end up paying more into the EU budget. That will be a big story in the next two years.”

https://www.ft.com/content/3c1eb988-9081-11e6-a72e-b428cb934b78

I think these sums will be hard for the EU to justify. Their financial accounts have always received an adverse opinion by their auditors because of the significant errors.

We're not going to fill their black holes for them.

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