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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2880 on: February 24, 2014, 10:21:06 pm »
It doesn't just disappear in about a year. They've still got a bit of spirit like this in them. Look at their match against Hull, or against Leverkusen, or Stoke when they went behind a couple of times and Leverkusen again. They will lose it gradually, but they've still got a bit of hope yet, not fully over. Bit naive to say that they don't have it anymore.

But they don't. If they did, they wouldn't be in the position they're in now. Bit silly to compare this United's mentality with even last year's United.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2881 on: February 24, 2014, 10:21:16 pm »
Bit naive to say that they don't have it anymore.

They don't have it anymore...
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2882 on: February 24, 2014, 10:22:46 pm »
It disappears in less than 6 months. Which is what has happened. Which is why they went from 89 points and champions to 11 points off fourth place with only 11 games to go.

But that's the league, where consistency is key to being succesful. The CL is a totally different kettle of fish, they've had some decent performances there and they will raise the stakes there for sure. David Moyes has had the effect, but not on the CL and never will because the team will be animated more and so will the fans. Comparing the CL and the EPL is different. if every game was a CL game, they would not be where they are now.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2883 on: February 24, 2014, 10:25:55 pm »
It doesn't just disappear in about a year. They've still got a bit of spirit like this in them. Look at their match against Hull, or against Leverkusen, or Stoke when they went behind a couple of times and Leverkusen again. They will lose it gradually, but they've still got a bit of hope yet, not fully over. Bit naive to say that they don't have it anymore.
They can't even save their CL hopes and their immediate future depends on it. They can't even pull out a turd from their arse if their lives depended on it.

Seriously- they've been Evertonised. Hell- even Everton stand a better chance of winning the CL- minute as it may be!
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2884 on: February 24, 2014, 10:28:13 pm »
They can't even save their CL hopes and their immediate future depends on it. They can't even pull out a turd from their arse if their lives depended on it.

Seriously- they've been Evertonised. Hell- even Everton stand a better chance of winning the CL- minute as it may be!

No, but one game we struggled to be West Brom and Aston Villa, then we thump Arsenal and Everton. That's the special occasion effect that occurs in extremely important matches. Again, if all their matches were CL matches, they would not be 7th.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2885 on: February 24, 2014, 10:29:11 pm »
But that's the league, where consistency is key to being succesful. The CL is a totally different kettle of fish, they've had some decent performances there and they will raise the stakes there for sure. David Moyes has had the effect, but not on the CL and never will because the team will be animated more and so will the fans. Comparing the CL and the EPL is different. if every game was a CL game, they would not be where they are now.

They had decent performances against crap in the group games. Leverkeusen were severely disappointing. Shaktar hadn't got a forward worth the name, and outplayed United at Old Trafford. If Olympiacos don't do it, then their next opponents will take them apart in one game, and it will essentially be the beginning of the Moyes death rattle as United manager.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2886 on: February 24, 2014, 10:31:27 pm »
Why is this thread now about united's chance of winning the CL?

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2887 on: February 24, 2014, 10:33:11 pm »
Why is this thread now about united's chance of winning the CL?

Not completely off topic, as if they do win it and we get fourth, we miss out.

Still the mancs are not winning the the CL. Moyes will see to that.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2888 on: February 24, 2014, 10:35:09 pm »
No, but one game we struggled to be West Brom and Aston Villa, then we thump Arsenal and Everton. That's the special occasion effect that occurs in extremely important matches. Again, if all their matches were CL matches, they would not be 7th.

Extremely important matches, like say against the top sides in your league? 17 points from 47 away matches against those sides for Moyes. Not a single win.

You're right, if all their matches were CL matches they wouldn't be 7th...they'd be staring relegation in the face.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2889 on: February 24, 2014, 10:36:05 pm »
Not completely off topic, as if they do win it and we get fourth, we miss out.

Still the mancs are not winning the the CL. Moyes will see to that.
I get that, I just think its a pointless debate, and should be in general sports.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2890 on: February 24, 2014, 10:36:54 pm »
They had decent performances against crap in the group games. Leverkeusen were severely disappointing. Shaktar hadn't got a forward worth the name, and outplayed United at Old Trafford. If Olympiacos don't do it, then their next opponents will take them apart in one game, and it will essentially be the beginning of the Moyes death rattle as United manager.

I agree they have had an easy ride, they won't win the CL but if Chelsea can do it with enormous luck, they have players too who are winners and anything can happen in a tournament dominated more by luck than consistency.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2891 on: February 24, 2014, 10:37:52 pm »
I agree they have had an easy ride, they won't win the CL but if Chelsea can do it with enormous luck, they have players too who are winners and anything can happen in a tournament dominated more by luck than consistency.

Well, of course they COULD do it.

But they won't.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2892 on: February 24, 2014, 10:40:51 pm »
our next 4 games will be toughest period of this season I think 3 away games...
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2893 on: February 24, 2014, 10:42:02 pm »
I agree they have had an easy ride, they won't win the CL but if Chelsea can do it with enormous luck, they have players too who are winners and anything can happen in a tournament dominated more by luck than consistency.
Di Matteo is not Moyes though. Say what you want about him, but he's actually miles better than Gollum- AND Chelsea had a squad that was actually quite good compared to half the dross at United.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2894 on: February 24, 2014, 10:42:12 pm »
Well, of course they COULD do it.

But they won't.

Finally we agree :)
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2895 on: February 24, 2014, 10:48:54 pm »
It doesn't just disappear in about a year. They've still got a bit of spirit like this in them. Look at their match against Hull, or against Leverkusen, or Stoke when they went behind a couple of times and Leverkusen again. They will lose it gradually, but they've still got a bit of hope yet, not fully over. Bit naive to say that they don't have it anymore.

1989/90 season. Liverpool win the title with 79 points (a respectable 2.08 PPG)
Feb 16th 1991. Reigning champions Liverpool sit top of the table with a very health 54 points from 24 games (2.25 PPG)
Feb 22nd 1991. Kenny Dalglish resigns as Liverpool manager.
May 20th 1991. Liverpool finish 2nd in the league after managing only 22 points in their final 14 games (a poor 1.57 PPG)
1991/92 season. Liverpool finish 6th under Graeme Souness a whopping 18 points off the top having lost 10 games and managing only 64 points in a 42 games season (a poor 1.52 PPG)

The rest is history. Now many have since written that the Liverpool side that won in 1989/90 was not exactly vintage. It was in need of an overhaul in many places. Maybe Kenny would have been able to sort things out and prevent our slide, but that opportunity didn't arise.

Man U won a superb title last season and many on here and in the media would argue that the side is not a patch on other Utd sides of the last 20 years. Many have argued that Utd needed to rebuild and were literally giving their old manager one last hurrah. A new manager has come in and had a nightmare of a first season in charge. Now maybe the same would have happened to Ferguson if he'd stayed, but history has an uncanny habit of repeating.

There are a lot of parallels to 1991/92 here. The difference is that Man U have the buying power to buy themselves out of a long term dip, but it's still a hard task.

So yes, it can just happen. It happened to us.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2896 on: February 24, 2014, 10:49:25 pm »
People seem so confident that Utd won't win it that I might just throw a fiver on them winning it. I'll rule them out when they're actually out of it. They'll probably beat Olympiacos but it would be very difficult from there on, but your never know these things. The CL is the only thing left to play for them. A route to next season's CL, funds, silverware etc. They'll chuck everything at it.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2897 on: February 24, 2014, 10:53:22 pm »
Barca, Madrid, Bayern, PSG, Atletico - heck, even Olympiakos.

And then Moyes. Would probably the best thing they'd have won of all time, given their squad, manager and the way they play in general.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2898 on: February 24, 2014, 10:54:37 pm »
People seem so confident that Utd won't win it that I might just throw a fiver on them winning it. I'll rule them out when they're actually out of it. They'll probably beat Olympiacos but it would be very difficult from there on, but your never know these things. The CL is the only thing left to play for them. A route to next season's CL, funds, silverware etc. They'll chuck everything at it.

That would be like Rylan chucking everything he has in a fight against Klitschko. He might muster the effort, but Klitschko would have too much quality and advantage.

But if people want to give Moyes and a woefully performing United a chance over Barca, Dortmund, Madrid, Bayern, PSG and Atletico when they couldn't even get the better of Fulham after 81 crosses, then so be it.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2899 on: February 24, 2014, 10:56:41 pm »
1989/90 season. Liverpool win the title with 79 points (a respectable 2.08 PPG)
Feb 16th 1991. Reigning champions Liverpool sit top of the table with a very health 54 points from 24 games (2.25 PPG)
Feb 22nd 1991. Kenny Dalglish resigns as Liverpool manager.
May 20th 1991. Liverpool finish 2nd in the league after managing only 22 points in their final 14 games (a poor 1.57 PPG)
1991/92 season. Liverpool finish 6th under Graeme Souness a whopping 18 points off the top having lost 10 games and managing only 64 points in a 42 games season (a poor 1.52 PPG)

The rest is history. Now many have since written that the Liverpool side that won in 1989/90 was not exactly vintage. It was in need of an overhaul in many places. Maybe Kenny would have been able to sort things out and prevent our slide, but that opportunity didn't arise.

Man U won a superb title last season and many on here and in the media would argue that the side is not a patch on other Utd sides of the last 20 years. Many have argued that Utd needed to rebuild and were literally giving their old manager one last hurrah. A new manager has come in and had a nightmare of a first season in charge. Now maybe the same would have happened to Ferguson if he'd stayed, but history has an uncanny habit of repeating.

There are a lot of parallels to 1991/92 here. The difference is that Man U have the buying power to buy themselves out of a long term dip, but it's still a hard task.

So yes, it can just happen. It happened to us.

So did we, at the time. It was just before the megamoney came into the game. We were still top spenders. But we spent that money on the likes of Stewart, Saunders and Piechnik. And Ruddock. And Dicks.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2900 on: February 24, 2014, 10:58:09 pm »
Well, of course they COULD do it.

But they won't.

NEVER underestimate David Moyes. He is the Manager of Manchester United.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2901 on: February 24, 2014, 11:02:23 pm »
It doesn't just disappear in about a year.
Their league winning form did
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2902 on: February 24, 2014, 11:06:01 pm »
NEVER underestimate David Moyes. He is the Manager of Manchester United.
Yip- he's capacity to win fuckall just can't be underestimated. Everyone has been backing him and United all season long to pull something out of the bag. It's just around the corner they say. Just wait for it.... but it's just not there. All Moyes managed to pull out was a jester hat and a pair of pointy shoes.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2903 on: February 24, 2014, 11:17:47 pm »
pages and pages talking about united - they are complete fucking shit. They are managed by someone completely out of his depth with a squad that needs 6 or 7 players just to get into the top 4. I can't believe so many seem to have more faith in them winning the Champions League than our own fucking team. What a bunch of fucking bell ends you are, negative moaning fucking babies. Sort yourselves out for fuck sake. We have a team that has scored more goals than any other in the league, we are FOUR points off the top going into March with the whole league absolutely shit scared of our front line, we are winning every week now and routinely putting 3,4,5 goals past everyone we play - what the fuck is your problem?


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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2904 on: February 24, 2014, 11:19:28 pm »
If Olympiacos don't do it, then their next opponents will take them apart in one game, and it will essentially be the beginning of the Moyes death rattle as United manager.

I hope not. Watching this united season right now is just far too amusing.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2905 on: February 24, 2014, 11:20:54 pm »
It doesn't just disappear in about a year. They've still got a bit of spirit like this in them. Look at their match against Hull, or against Leverkusen, or Stoke when they went behind a couple of times and Leverkusen again.

Or look at the table.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2906 on: February 24, 2014, 11:24:05 pm »
I can't quite decipher if some people are closet United fans or they are simply forgetting that Ferguson isn't there anymore. And even if he was, his record in Europe was incredibly underwhelming. He knew the continental sides were improving and so were City on his doorstep, and he left partly because he knew the chances of him winning another CL title were very slim. Let's not forget that Moyes has never won a major honor in his entire career. He's tactically inept and every man and his dog knows it. He's not going to win a raffle with that lot, never mind a European cup.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2907 on: February 24, 2014, 11:26:15 pm »
It doesn't just disappear in about a year. They've still got a bit of spirit like this in them. Look at their match against Hull, or against Leverkusen, or Stoke when they went behind a couple of times and Leverkusen again. They will lose it gradually, but they've still got a bit of hope yet, not fully over. Bit naive to say that they don't have it anymore.

Leverkusen have been exposed as unequivocally shit.

They rode their luck against Hull & Stoke and shouldn't have won either game. Rooney shouldn't have remained on the pitch against Hull, too
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2908 on: February 24, 2014, 11:26:41 pm »
Not completely off topic, as if they do win it and we get fourth, we miss out.

Still the mancs are not winning the the CL. Moyes will see to that.

It's more likely that Arsenal win the CL and finish 5th than Utd.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2909 on: February 24, 2014, 11:31:36 pm »
We see a lot of negative posts in here by people who claim their only motivation is 'caution'...

Honestly now...ask yourself...do you really think the players are going to be uplifted n perform better because fans are on here posting that they're shitting themselves with pretend fear...?

Moyes has about as much chance of winning the CL with THIS United squad as the Elephant Man being a body double for George Cluny.

Do you really think players read our posts?

Very naive...

Thank you for the lesson in game play pschycology very interesting.

I think you also need a spelling lesson.
However, the fans posting their 'fear' isn't the same thing as the players being mentally atuned to the in-game situations.

I fail to see how you make the connection between fans posting their 'fear' on here and us being two points further up the table or Mignolet making less mistakes.
You answered that yourself in your last post as you implied that players read our posts. Fear (that you mentioned in your initial post above) is the connection too.
I think wed be more than 2 points up.

You're making thee assumption that "a little fear" is always a good thing...it also brings tension and indecision...which is not good in game play situations.

Not indecision, but Id say yes it is if youre a defender, and no for the attackers. Our attackers are probably fearless at the moment which is why they doing so good. Problem is, so are the defenders, which is why our defensive record could be better.


Have a look-see of some of the threads which deal with calculations of 'form'...there are some clever people on them who can work out the realistic probabilities of the various situations.

One of which is whether United will overhaul us...you don't need to be a boffin to answer that one...they won't and no amount of pretend fear will change that.

It's been shown that over the last 1/3rd of the season the PPG form of sides doesn't change very much [usual range is up to +0.1 PPG].

United are currently 45pts from 27 games = 1.67 PPG. If they improve by the 10% they'd have 1.83 PPG over their last 11 games, they'd get 20pts and finish with a total of 65pts.

Liverpool are currently 56pts from 27 games = 2.07 PPG. If we reduce by the 10% we'd have 1.87 PPG over our last 11 games, we'd get 20pts and finish on 76pts.

Ha, that isnt complex of mathematics. I applaud the fans that do them as they have to do some research for it and formulate articulate tables to make the comparisons easier to read for everyone, plus it is interesting to read, but it really is simple calculations, once the data is in hand.

More to the point, I never once said the mancs would beat us to 4th, its very very improbable. What I did say is in my post below. Which is also very very improbable, but right now more of a small possibility. I dont need to have stats for that.

we need 3rd or above!
Can you imagine, if we finished 4th...but United only went and won the fuckin CL (not saying there gonna, but as long as they're still in it a getting the easy draws then there's a chance the fuckers could).
I couldn't bear it. I'd rather us finish 5th than that happening.
Now...tell me how fans projecting their pessimistic attitude without any form of analysis is benefitting anyone...?

Those who are more positive of mind aren't the ones ignoring the 'realities'...they're the ones paying attention to the probabilities.

When considering the way things may turn out it's only half of the assessment if you're projecting the pessimistic view...not a call to realism.

I think youre saying all the above because you mistakenly think that I said the mancs would finish 4th. As Ive shown, I didnt. But anyway, I think both sides of views are equally important to have a balanced discussionbut I dont think players read them or if they ever did, gave a shit either.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2910 on: February 24, 2014, 11:40:41 pm »
It's more likely that Arsenal win the CL and finish 5th than Utd.

True.

Although that won't happen either.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2911 on: February 24, 2014, 11:42:24 pm »
Why is this thread now about united's chance of winning the CL?




Because it could affect us if we finish 4th and they were to somehow win it.

For what it's worth, I don't THINK they will win it.  There are too many good teams that SHOULD get in their way before they even get a sniff of the final.

But I still think it's not impossible (unlike finshing 4th which I think is too much of a task)

League is league.  But the CL is a KO comp.  Luck does come into it.

Chelsea won it in 2012 DESPITE Di Matteo.  The players went for it and got the breaks.  FFS even Terry was giving out instructions from the bench vs Napoli!!!

I guess yoiu cant argue too much with the bookies though.  And they have them now even further out at 20-1.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2912 on: February 24, 2014, 11:43:57 pm »
I have a feeling we'll be the closest (in points/GD terms) to the PL title that we ever have been (either by winning it, or finishing 2nd or 3rd within a point or two of the winner)

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2913 on: February 24, 2014, 11:44:38 pm »
It's more likely that Arsenal win the CL and finish 5th than Utd.

Ha now that would be sneaky... bastards

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2914 on: February 24, 2014, 11:47:43 pm »
Have a look-see of some of the threads which deal with calculations of 'form'...there are some clever people on them who can work out the realistic probabilities of the various situations.

One of which is whether United will overhaul us...you don't need to be a boffin to answer that one...they won't and no amount of pretend fear will change that.

It's been shown that over the last 1/3rd of the season the PPG form of sides doesn't change very much [usual range is up to +0.1 PPG].

United are currently 45pts from 27 games = 1.67 PPG. If they improve by the 10% they'd have 1.83 PPG over their last 11 games, they'd get 20pts and finish with a total of 65pts.

Liverpool are currently 56pts from 27 games = 2.07 PPG. If we reduce by the 10% we'd have 1.87 PPG over our last 11 games, we'd get 20pts and finish on 76pts.

Now...tell me how fans projecting their pessimistic attitude without any form of analysis is benefitting anyone...?

Those who are more positive of mind aren't the ones ignoring the 'realities'...they're the ones paying attention to the probabilities.

When considering the way things may turn out it's only half of the assessment if you're projecting the pessimistic view...not a call to realism.


Didn't United throw an 8pt lead away with 5/6 games to go to hand City the title not so long ago?
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2915 on: February 25, 2014, 12:01:17 am »

Didn't United throw an 8pt lead away with 5/6 games to go to hand City the title not so long ago?

We could be 21 points clear with 7 games to go and you'd still be telling us they could over take us ;)

Seriously though, out of the 12 games we have left, how many do you think we can win....?
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2916 on: February 25, 2014, 12:03:51 am »
soton away.. IMO that's more difficult than manu away..

just get 2 pts average per game

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2917 on: February 25, 2014, 12:16:33 am »
Beat Southampton & Utd away from home and I will believe. At the moment I think we're good value for third.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2918 on: February 25, 2014, 12:18:42 am »
Didn't United throw an 8pt lead away with 5/6 games to go to hand City the title not so long ago?

Yes. That would be the expensively assembled City with Hart, Aguero, Balotelli, Toure, Silva, Nasri, Kompany, Zabaleta, Dzeko, Zabaleta and Tevez, managed by the Serie A winning Roberto Mancini.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #2919 on: February 25, 2014, 12:21:10 am »
As is, I think we're reasonably comfortable for 4th but taking maximum points from our next two games would well and truly solidify us as a team that is serious for the title.
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