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Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« on: March 13, 2012, 10:01:13 pm »
400 league appearences. 2nd hattrick. First hattrick for 76 years against Everton at Anfield. Gollum's 10th birthday party humped.

It was an evening of dates, numbers and relief.

For me, there was the smallest inkling of what Gerrard, Carroll and Suarez could do when playing together regularly.

There was a 2nd match in quick succession when Martin Kelly had wished he was an inch taller with an open goal at the Kop.

We played hard and closed them down and there was little bleating and moaning and instead quick tempo and flowing football again.

Suarez and Kelly impressed me most apart from Stevie's finishing. That's the thing we've had a problem with and thankfully Gerrrard knows how to finish.

If we need evidence that the team are together, look at Luis' final pass back to Stevie for the 3rd goal - unselfish and handing the hattrick on a plate. Or is it hatrick?

Anyway, fuck the bitters, as usual Baines was our bain for a while then turned into a nasty shit. Or back to being a nasty shit. Fellatio and his hair bear bunch hairdo was a twat, Hibbert deserved everything he got and anything that makes Everton fuck off home with their tails between their legs will do me.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 10:34:42 pm »
Ecstacy and headscratching is how I'd describe this game. How we can fight for every ball and show clinical finishing 3 days after the Sunderland fiasco. Kelly was very impressive but for me Henderson although he had some absolute stinkers in between shows that he has the brain to pull this off. How many players would, after putting Suarez through, back off instead of busting a gut and cutting diagonally across pulling the center back out of position giving Gerrard time and space to put that into the back of the net. Also forgot it was Hendo and not Gerrard who set Kelly through for his miss.

Gerrard, Carroll and Suarez now have 2 games this season and in them we've scored 9 goals. That's now bad really, if you think about it :P


I could go into analysis of the game but I'm too tired and moderately drunk enough to not give a flying fuck. We won, with passion, heart and determination and finally showed the promise this team has. And at the risk of the stating the obvious we are much more flowing without a certain left footed midfielder.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 10:48:26 pm »
Get in there! ;D

Horrible dirge of a first half and way way too open, and blah blah tactics tactics GET IT RIGHT UP YOUS!

Cal El could have had two. Suarez showed his quality. Gerrard was just pure Gerrard.

Stuff the analysis for now. :)

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 02:01:36 am »
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 03:58:12 pm »
Hugely satisfying to beat the Toffees, as it always it. This is a pretty decent Everton team too, especially down the left where Pienaar and Baines are as formidable as any left-wing pair in the league. Props to Kelly who stood up and dealt with them well.

The first goal was beautiful - from the moment Jose Enrique broke up a dangerous Everton attack to Steve's exquisite floater into the top corner. The movement and sharp passing between the two was as good as anything we've seen this season. Henderson, who'd delivered two crap crosses inside the first two minutes, showed where his real strengths lay by coming inside and playing the killer one-two with Suarez to set up Kelly's shot on goal.  Another one-two with Luis, a few minutes later, was just as good but this time Distin made an excellent tackle to stop Suarez.

What else? Downing produced the cross of the season which Kelly might have scored from. An absolute belter of a cross. Enrique, meanwhile, took a shot with his right foot which is as rare as Lord Horatio Nelson picking his nose with his right hand.

And Gerrard obviously. The most talented English footballer since John Barnes. And the most effective one since Bobby Charlton. A derby hat-trick is a rarity. I'm glad he's got one. And let's see him combining with Suarez like that again - many times. Starting v Stoke.       
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 05:16:09 pm »
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 05:29:23 pm »
Brilliant result. Thought we wasnt at our best but a fit gerrard in and around suarez made a world of difference. He was able to get into the box, something we did alot yesterday, even henderson got in there on a few occasions, suarez show's what he's all about when he has players around him who time runs well and have good movement. He can score goals but he's so effective at making space for others and setting up others, he drags a couple of defenders with him and if you have players like gerrard to exploit the holes then your gonna be succesfull which proved to be the case last night.

Spearing deserves a big mention, i wouldnt say he just sat in there last night and broke things up, he did more than that, he pressed when we attacked and passed the ball well too. Think he had a 89 percent successful pass rate, he didnt just pass it two foot either, he shifted it quickly and directly at times too.

Hopefully we keep Carroll, Suarez, Gerrard and Spearing together now until the end of the season, whether kenny plays downing and henderson out wide or kuyt and bellamy or maxi, we have to keep them first four playing week in week out and if that means adam sitting on the bench then so be it. The wide men for me offer different things but those four have to be on the pitch for aslong as possible between now and the end of the year. When Lucas comes back and we get a full pre-season out of him too then alongside gerrard, thats fucking mouthwatering imo.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 05:49:53 pm »
In one match the importance of an intelligent midfield runner could not have been highlighted more. I posted this in another thread but;

Watch the third goal again, Gerrard takes the ball off Drenthe and only Suarez and Downing are infront of him, Suarez makes a run and recieves the ball, Gerrard busts a gut to get into the box. Meanwhile, Downing hasn't broken into a sprint throughout the whole move. It really demonstrated why Downing has only got one goal in every 9th career appearance he has made - he does not move intelligently off the ball and he has displayed a very limited desire to hit the back post or make positive runs to support attacks. Adam hasn't been making those runs and neither has Spearing, Lucas or Henderson - it is crucial that we have at least one midfielder who is prepared to make those runs in future.

Kelly also did some great running and Hendo and himself seemed to have forged a good understanding on the right with Kelly making intelligent overlaps.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 05:52:33 pm »
This was only the third time Gerrard, Suarez and Carroll started the game together, right? Brighton, Cardiff, Everton...
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 05:55:57 pm »
Kelly was outstanding.  Really, really good.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say, with no hyperbole intended, that he looked like Gareth Bale last night.  You know, Gareth Bale, press darling and "unbelievable talent" and all that?  That good.  Kelly didn't put a foot wrong all game, and was a real threat down the right.  I'm still surprised after he looked so comfortable at centre back for years for our youth teams at how well he's played at fullback.  Great sign for the future. 
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2012, 06:00:59 pm »
Thought everyone bar henderson was top quality in that game. Gerrard was sublime and Suarez seemed a little off but nonetheless provided magic.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 06:01:27 pm »
Kelly didn't put a foot wrong all game

Erm, he did, Baines and Pienaar skipped round him a few times in the 1st half, doesn't mean he didn't have a great match though.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 06:11:29 pm »
Just a couple of observations:

Suarez and Carroll are finally clicking, they should play as much as possible for the rest of this season and they'll be entirely on the same wavelength by August. The fact that Downing seems to be getting there, too, makes it even better.

Spearing is the only one who can even begin to try and take Lucas's place. His defensive work allowed Gerrard to move forward and do what he's best at. None of Gerrard, Adam and Henderson can do such defensive work, and if two of those play together in central midfield, both will have to contribute in defence, and neither will be able to go forward as much as we need them to. It was the presence of a midfielder in the box that made all the difference last night.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 06:55:33 pm »
Excellent win but was really disappointed with Suarez.....Why the hell didn't he chip up the ball for Stevie G to head home the third goal for a proper hat-trick of left and right foot and a header? ;) ;D

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 07:03:11 pm »
Just a couple of observations:

Suarez and Carroll are finally clicking, they should play as much as possible for the rest of this season and they'll be entirely on the same wavelength by August. The fact that Downing seems to be getting there, too, makes it even better.

Spearing is the only one who can even begin to try and take Lucas's place. His defensive work allowed Gerrard to move forward and do what he's best at. None of Gerrard, Adam and Henderson can do such defensive work, and if two of those play together in central midfield, both will have to contribute in defence, and neither will be able to go forward as much as we need them to. It was the presence of a midfielder in the box that made all the difference last night.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 07:14:49 pm »
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 07:28:53 pm »
Sorry for the negativity about our own player.
Was it a coincidence that we didn't play Adam, the team performed better?
My point is, with him in, we take out 1 player, and that would have been Henderson, Carroll or Spearing imo.
Then, i think the whole chemistry or dynamic could have shifted...
Anyway, we SHOULD keep playing Carroll, Henderson and Spearing for the rest of the season. We need them to grow and gel.
4th is kinda distant now, so, let them mature!

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 07:36:42 pm »
Passion, commitment and energy. Explains the lacklustre display at Sunderland.

We have all the attributes and all the skills. We just need to make the chances consistent. Really pleased with everyone (Except Downing who I thought was very poor - he shits out of so many tackles. He'll need to man up, use his brain. But he's still got time. Excellent from Gerrard and Suarez. And a lot of players understanding is improving. Henderson started poorly then really improved. Kuyt was perfect to harry them and cause them problems. Back line were solid. Really impressed with Carroll and masterful performance from Spearing - he really is fearless.

Terrific display all round and the finishing to match it. Really happy.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 07:38:39 pm »
Great win, absolutely necessary and really glad we did it!!!

For the first time I thought we were passing the ball in the final third how it should be, always looking for the free player, heads up and calm on the ball which has a lot do with Gerrard roaming around up front. That´s where he should be playing.

Hopefully a turning point, again, let´s hope we can take it from there and put down a run of wins. Arsenal was very good, Sunderland one step back but if we can put down a good performance against Stoke as well, it´s may be a sign that finally the work with the squad, beginning with the way we defend to the way we attack is getting there.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 08:46:51 pm »
Like to add a mention for Skrtel & Carra as well. Our midfield allowed Everton a couple of good spells with the ball & if not for a few timely interceptions & Stevie's superb example of finishing, the result could have been much less than what was eventually very comfortable.
Henderson was a bit like Adam last night in that he put a couple of great passes forward but also seemed sluggish for the majority of the game. He's young, but maybe just needs a rest. I still have really high hopes for that one!
Kelly was beaten a couple of times but he, Spearing, Enrique & Suarez were quite impressive throughout.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2012, 09:21:29 pm »
It was odd not to see the opposition miss their few chances and odd to see us score a normal amount of ours - makes you wonder how this season might have gone if that had been the norm rather than the perverse chance conversion we've had

Suarez looked tired from begining to end but he just keeps running  - with the 2nd and 3rd him creating and then laying if off rather than a weak finish got to be way to go

Carragher and Carroll looked like a useful members of the squad rather than the liabilities they've been labelled

we looked  a more than half decent team - the only cringeworthy moment - did Downing really duck out of that challenge as badly as it looked?
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2012, 09:38:07 pm »
This was only the third time Gerrard, Suarez and Carroll started the game together, right? Brighton, Cardiff, Everton...

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2012, 09:50:07 pm »
Controlled performance. 90 minute performance too.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2012, 10:17:34 pm »
See what happens when you get midfielders in the box, Outstanding performance from the whole team

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2012, 10:42:10 pm »
Sorry for the negativity about our own player.
Was it a coincidence that we didn't play Adam, the team performed better?
My point is, with him in, we take out 1 player, and that would have been Henderson, Carroll or Spearing imo.
Then, i think the whole chemistry or dynamic could have shifted...
Anyway, we SHOULD keep playing Carroll, Henderson and Spearing for the rest of the season. We need them to grow and gel.
4th is kinda distant now, so, let them mature!

Was it a coincidence that we didn't play Bellamy, and the team performed better? Seems everyone thinks so, as nobody has been criticising Bellamy as a result of us winning yesterday. However, it isn't a coincidence that Charlie Adam was missing of course, and yet Charlie Adam was part of the same team that walked all over Arsenal - in fact, part of the same midfield that walked all over Arsenal in the first half of that game. The result was different, and that to my mind was not because Charlie Adam was on the pitch, but rather, because Steven Gerrard (and Andy Carroll) were not. Bellamy didn't start that game either by the way...a pattern starting to develop that our good performances are without him!

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2012, 10:57:42 pm »
In one match the importance of an intelligent midfield runner could not have been highlighted more. I posted this in another thread but;

Watch the third goal again, Gerrard takes the ball off Drenthe and only Suarez and Downing are infront of him, Suarez makes a run and recieves the ball, Gerrard busts a gut to get into the box. Meanwhile, Downing hasn't broken into a sprint throughout the whole move. It really demonstrated why Downing has only got one goal in every 9th career appearance he has made - he does not move intelligently off the ball and he has displayed a very limited desire to hit the back post or make positive runs to support attacks. Adam hasn't been making those runs and neither has Spearing, Lucas or Henderson - it is crucial that we have at least one midfielder who is prepared to make those runs in future.

Kelly also did some great running and Hendo and himself seemed to have forged a good understanding on the right with Kelly making intelligent overlaps.

Actually Henderson did bust a gut to make himself available in the run up to Gerards second goal.
Lucas makes plenty of those runs usually in the second half of matches. But nobody ever picks him out.

On the game, Moyes tried to copy his good friend SAF by keeping it tight and then springing his better players from the bench in the second half. The keeping it tight part didn`t work. The bench springing wasn`t up to much either.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2012, 11:03:16 pm »
Bluenoses around me were mega pissed off which says it all really. When the squad figure out that if they can string 38 performances together with that level of commitment we will win the league.

On a side note I can't remember a derby so uncompetitive in the first 20mins, hardly a challenge.
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2012, 11:07:31 pm »
On a side note I can't remember a derby so uncompetitive in the first 20mins, hardly a challenge.

Which, as much as derby purists may not like it, made it a better game of football!

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2012, 11:27:39 pm »
A very very enjoyable game which amongst other things highlighted the Jekyll and Hyde nature of our team.

Last night was everything we should be.  Solid in defence and fluid in attack.  We created so many decent opportunities - not the kinds of opportunities we have created all season, but ones where you think we ought to score.

The speed with which the ball was moved from defence and through midfield into attack was something we haven't always seen this season.  The first goal showed how good we can be at that and there were lots of different players chipping in, in an attacking sense.

Jay Spearing and Martin Kelly again impressed me - it's good to see that both are really kicking on from academy players who warrant a place in the squad, to first team players who will prove difficult to drop.  As they both develop further, I think we can expect big things from them.

Carra has taken a fair bit of flack over the past couple of seasons, rightfully so in some cases - but I thought that last night he once again showed that he can still come in and do a job.  Skrtel was commanding (as he has been all season) and I thought Enrique looked back to his best.

There had been a few on these boards suggesting that it was unclear as to how Kenny wants the team to play.  Well, the answer for me is exactly as they did last night - with freedom and intelligence going forward.

Finally, Steven Gerrard.  Kenny himself said it's hard to come up with the words to describe him sometimes.  Pat Nevin did a pretty good job on the BBC website, so I reckon it's worth quoting again......

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2012, 11:32:44 pm »

Anyway, we SHOULD keep playing Carroll, Henderson and Spearing for the rest of the season. We need them to grow and gel.


bit harsh to have a go after that......jay is perfectly packaged and doesn't need to grow any more, and henderson looks neat and clearly gels well enough!!!

movement and quick passing was the key, off the ball the movement was much better than in recent performances and we threatened the penalty are at every opportunity, which was why we made so many clear chances and scored 3....we were calm and assured in possession, from the back 3 of reina carragher and skrtel to the front where both carroll and suarez were always able to get on to the ball and get it down to play

henderson's run for gerrard's second was awesome.....if he kept going a bit further he could have got the pies for them to celebrate with!!!
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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2012, 11:42:56 pm »
Makes you wonder how our season would've turned out if we had had Stevie, Luis and Andy ready for every game. 11 goals in 3 games with them playing, is it? And add Lucas and Agger to that. What a fantastic starting eleven we could put out there and what a lack of depth there is when we don't have every man ready.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2012, 11:49:44 pm »
Makes you wonder how our season would've turned out if we had had Stevie, Luis and Andy ready for every game. 11 goals in 3 games with them playing, is it? And add Lucas and Agger to that. What a fantastic starting eleven we could put out there and what a lack of depth there is when we don't have every man ready.

i actually don't think the lack of depth cmment is really the case.....if we had started the season with most of our better players fit and ready then we may have had a better start to the season in terms of points gained, performances would have benefitted from the confidence i believe and the players coming in would have had less pressure to perform and would have been able to contribute in a team that had form and confidence going for it

as it is, we have had to rely on the squad probably too much, which has exposed the our squad to a degree that has saw their confidence wane and the performances drop off over time
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2012, 11:52:38 pm »
I may as well play devil's Advocate here. It's not hard since I believe there are a number of key caveats that can be made about the performance. Somebody has already asked the key question, "How could they produce this performance after the shambles on Saturday?" Part of the answer at least lies with the opposition. Anyone who watched the reserves last week would have seen Jagielka, Coleman, Anichibe and (I think) Rodwell all performing well below par against Liverpool's reserve (made up of kids and Doni), a game that ended 0-0 and was replete with wasted chances by Liverpool. You can imagine my surprise then when these (Clearly unfit) players suddenly showed up against Liverpool. Reading the Everton forums afterwards part of the reason they were so upset (as alluded to above) was because they felt that Moyes had at worst thrown the game with a view to winning the FA cup tie at the weekend, at best put out a weakened side in hope rather than expectation. Certainly there was strength on their bench and the derisory efforts by Everton on the night bear testament to the argument that this was an Everton reserve side that was unfit and lacking form. Compared to the psyched up Liverpool side they were far more unmotivated.

The second point to make was the time and space offered to the Liverpool midfield. Liverpool have struggled to impose a 442 on teams this year, usually being out-numbered in the middle and seeing a disconnect between the midfield and the frontline. As has been noted by others elsewhere, the dropping of Adam seemed to offer a better balance in the middle. Spearing (who did an excellent job of closing space on defence) was neat and tidy in possession, always making himself available for short passes and generally maintaining possession and moving the ball. To me he was fundamental to the victory (and my actual MotM) because his performance allowed Gerrard to move higher up the pitch and support the front two much more effectively. However, the reason that Spearing was able to perform this task was largely due to the fact that Everton also played two strikers allowing Liverpool a lot more room in the middle. The fact that Everton's strikers were so vastly inferior was the difference in the score line, but the platform for the victory was created by Spearing and Gerrard whose dominance, in turn, owed much to the formation and players selected by Moyes. In a normal game Moyes would have put out a five man (or even six man) midfield and nullified that dual threat.

The other point to make is that the weakest performers for Liverpool on the night (in a night with a lot of good performances and an overall good team spirit) were once again Downing and Henderson. Of course some will point to the couple of nice balls Henderson played, but he was also caught in possession a number of times in dangerous areas and offered very little support to Kelly, defensively (anyone remember him getting nutmegged in his own box?) Downing on the other wing was also hit and miss and put in a  pretty anonymous performance, truth be told.

I don't want to be too negative, because there were a lot of positives to be taken from the game. The balance looked much better (though Henderson just is not a right winger) with the midfield much more dynamic than it has been of late. Spearing and Gerrard were excellent in combination, getting forward and backward exceptionally well. I think the big plus for me was Carroll who grew in confidence and stature before your eyes. He linked well withe Suarez and played some lovely one touch stuff. It was heartening to see ( a 50 yard, diagonal lofted ball to Downing was one truly quality moment, but the bit I enjoyed the most was his beating three men and surprising Dowd so much that he blew up and gave him a sympathy freekick). Enrique had his best game for the club yet I felt and after some shakey performances recently it was an excellent display. Kelly was also terrific (but I think we are looking at the new Carragher in terms of goal scoring).

So, overall, much to be pleased about, but it should be tempered with the knowledge that the opposition were unusually awful and dispirited for a derby, the question of 442 v 433 is still unanswered and some of the players that have under performed all season have still continued to do so. Set against that, a dynamic and energetic display, a better balanced side and some good performances from unexpected quarters. Finally, kudos to the manager, after expressing doubts after weekend on his ability to successfully adapt the side to the challenges of the modern game he once again showed a shrewdness and willingness to make changes where necessary and when necessary too.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2012, 11:57:43 pm »
i actually don't think the lack of depth cmment is really the case.....if we had started the season with most of our better players fit and ready then we may have had a better start to the season in terms of points gained, performances would have benefitted from the confidence i believe and the players coming in would have had less pressure to perform and would have been able to contribute in a team that had form and confidence going for it

as it is, we have had to rely on the squad probably too much, which has exposed the our squad to a degree that has saw their confidence wane and the performances drop off over time

Agreed, with the addition that some critical players have had to develop match fitness and sharpness, let alone an understanding with each, over a prolonged period unfortunately late into the season.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2012, 12:00:23 am »
Brilliant result. Thought we wasnt at our best but a fit gerrard in and around suarez made a world of difference. He was able to get into the box, something we did alot yesterday, even henderson got in there on a few occasions, suarez show's what he's all about when he has players around him who time runs well and have good movement. He can score goals but he's so effective at making space for others and setting up others, he drags a couple of defenders with him and if you have players like gerrard to exploit the holes then your gonna be succesfull which proved to be the case last night.

Spearing deserves a big mention, i wouldnt say he just sat in there last night and broke things up, he did more than that, he pressed when we attacked and passed the ball well too. Think he had a 89 percent successful pass rate, he didnt just pass it two foot either, he shifted it quickly and directly at times too.

Hopefully we keep Carroll, Suarez, Gerrard and Spearing together now until the end of the season, whether kenny plays downing and henderson out wide or kuyt and bellamy or maxi, we have to keep them first four playing week in week out and if that means adam sitting on the bench then so be it. The wide men for me offer different things but those four have to be on the pitch for aslong as possible between now and the end of the year. When Lucas comes back and we get a full pre-season out of him too then alongside gerrard, thats fucking mouthwatering imo.

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Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2012, 01:17:51 am »
Of course some will point to the couple of nice balls Henderson played, but he was also caught in possession a number of times in dangerous areas and offered very little support to Kelly, defensively (anyone remember him getting nutmegged in his own box?) Downing on the other wing was also hit and miss and put in a  pretty anonymous performance, truth be told.

I don't want to be too negative, because there were a lot of positives to be taken from the game. The balance looked much better (though Henderson just is not a right winger) with the midfield much more dynamic than it has been of late.

This criticism of Henderson is somewhat unfair and a little dishonest. Yes, he was nutmegged in his own area - precisely because he was backing up Kelly; and not just being fairly close, but actually covering in behind in case the fullback makes an error - which is precisely what the "terrific" Kelly did on that occasion when he lunged in, missed and allowed Baines to drive right into the box. Henderson was nutmegged while Kelly was still picking himself up.

And he's not a right winger. He's not being asked to play as one. He's playing a tucked in role most commonly, in possession. That added dynamism is partly a result of Henderson's energy and his outside-inside movement.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2012, 01:55:27 am »
Kelly was also terrific (but I think we are looking at the new Carragher in terms of goal scoring).

i get the feeling that Martin will get his fair share of goals, maybe more than.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2012, 02:45:51 am »
My thoughts on the game:

The back four did really well. Skrtel an absolute beast, but for a Gerrard hattrick could have been MOTM. Carragher did well and I liked the fact that he keeped it simple mostly passing to Reina or Skrtel rather than hoofing away. He has limitations and played within them. Good soid performance. Liked Enriques physical nature really bullying the opposition and I think he had Drenthe unseatled when he came on. Quality ball booted into the face too!

Key perfomances:
Kelly. Everton rolled the dice and had Pienaar tuck inside defensively to support defence of Gerrard and then break into space left when the ball was turned over and Gerrard was out of position. It was a good plan but left Baines isolated with Kelly and it was Kelly getting the jump on Baines that cause the first goal along with another good chance that went begging. As well as good going forward, defensively I thought Kelly did a good job under tough circumstances. Gerrard pushing forward left Kelly at times with Pienaar and Baines to deal with (both quality players) and while Henderson works hard and tried his best he's not great defensively. Consquently Everton had some very good chances down their left side. Although we got the goal I think this Baines v Kelly matchup was a crapshoot which could have gone either way.

Going forward we we had three big winners. Carroll was dominating holding up play, Suarez was making a fool of their defenders and Gerrard was breaking onto space with Rodwell nowhere to be seen. Downing probably broke even on the left.

Lastly was Spearing who I thought had a tremendous game. Again I don't think he's a DM and he didn't really play a DM role against Everton. He was really good in our build up, recyling the ball and driving us forward. I think he's a great option beside Lucas but not a substitute for him.

My take:
More of the same. We once again didn't have a clinical striker but for as ussual our strikers beside the finishing actually played well. This game we were fortunately in that a clinical player (Gerrard) was able to get forward enough to have impact. Unfortunately that hasn't been happening the rest of the season. Defensively we were strong again though I felt we lacked an out and out DM. Spearing was good but didn't get across to support Kelly like a good DM would. Downing ultimately was unproductive on the left but didn't actually play that bad...again.

For me we still need 3 players
1) A DM
2) a winger/AM
3) A clinical striker

It's been obvious near every game this season, even when we have won games.
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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2012, 09:32:56 am »
I may as well play devil's Advocate here. It's not hard since I believe there are a number of key caveats that can be made about the performance. Somebody has already asked the key question, "How could they produce this performance after the shambles on Saturday?" Part of the answer at least lies with the opposition. Anyone who watched the reserves last week would have seen Jagielka, Coleman, Anichibe and (I think) Rodwell all performing well below par against Liverpool's reserve (made up of kids and Doni), a game that ended 0-0 and was replete with wasted chances by Liverpool. You can imagine my surprise then when these (Clearly unfit) players suddenly showed up against Liverpool. Reading the Everton forums afterwards part of the reason they were so upset (as alluded to above) was because they felt that Moyes had at worst thrown the game with a view to winning the FA cup tie at the weekend, at best put out a weakened side in hope rather than expectation. Certainly there was strength on their bench and the derisory efforts by Everton on the night bear testament to the argument that this was an Everton reserve side that was unfit and lacking form. Compared to the psyched up Liverpool side they were far more unmotivated.
I think that is a little harsh on our effort and performance mate. I know they put out a "weakened team" but we've played far worse against weaker teams quite a few times this season. The massive difference was that we were first to every single ball and we sustained it for 90 mins. It was inexorable, as if every player was programmed to get in quickly.
Add in that nobody had less than a 7/10 performance imo (I know Henderson divides opinion) and it was fantastic to watch.
Fellaini had an unusually good game for them, he was everywhere but we match his strength. Carroll, Skrtel & Enrique used their own attributes and out-muscled anyone that went near them.

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Re: Round Table Liverpool 3 - 0 Everton.
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2012, 12:18:27 pm »
I think that is a little harsh on our effort and performance mate. I know they put out a "weakened team" but we've played far worse against weaker teams quite a few times this season. The massive difference was that we were first to every single ball and we sustained it for 90 mins. It was inexorable, as if every player was programmed to get in quickly.
Add in that nobody had less than a 7/10 performance imo (I know Henderson divides opinion) and it was fantastic to watch.
Fellaini had an unusually good game for them, he was everywhere but we match his strength. Carroll, Skrtel & Enrique used their own attributes and out-muscled anyone that went near them.

they picked a team out of their squad......the players left out weren't injured......so moyes just got it wrong....and they were on a decent run of results, including turning over tottenham and chelsea recently.....so it is churlish for anyone to pick out their line up as the main reason for our win
noone is getting carried away, so do not see why there is any need to temper the mood really.....
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