Author Topic: Simon Mignolet (Read 325831 times)

clinical · « **Reply #3320 on:** April 23, 2014, 12:10:17 pm »

Quote from: just Craig? on April 23, 2014, 12:05:17 pm

This is a comparison between the two from last season, pretty close to be honest...

Interesting that. Going on percentages though Mignolet tries to punch 30% of the time compared to Begovic 5%. I think Begovic is the best keeper in the league overall. Although he would have cost almost double to what Mignolet did and there isn't too much difference

Failed claims is interesting too, how bad was Reina at them. Begovic didn't miss a single one

CraigDS · « **Reply #3321 on:** April 23, 2014, 12:15:05 pm »

Quote from: clinical on April 23, 2014, 12:10:17 pm

Interesting that. Going on percentages though Mignolet tries to punch 30% of the time compared to Begovic 5%. I think Begovic is the best keeper in the league overall. Although he would have cost almost double to what Mignolet did and there isn't too much difference

Begovic claimed more as a %, but as long as the ball is cleared I don't think that matters all that much. What these don't show is that for all we know Mignolet may not of been able to claim the ball a lot of the 39 times he punched due to how his defenders defended, where as Begovic had no need to.

Looking at the numbers of saves made and errors more than makes up for punching more to be honest!

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #3322 on:** April 23, 2014, 01:19:52 pm »

Quote from: clinical on April 23, 2014, 12:02:39 pm

He needs to analyse how Begovic decides to come or not, to claim crosses. The man is unbelievable at it.

That's like saying Borini should analyse how Messi scores goals, and try to incorporate that into his game. In other words, players have different styles, genes, physical limitations, technical limitations, and tactical jobs in their respective teams - copying what another player does really well mostly doesn't work, as you have to play to your own strengths.

What Mignolet would better off doing in the off-season is watching videos of himself, looking at his mistakes, asking himself what he could have done differently, and then working on those aspects of his game in pre-season

BassTunedToRed · « **Reply #3323 on:** April 23, 2014, 03:45:26 pm »

As I looked them up earlier, thought I'd share:

Liverpool goalkeeper big/clear-cut chance save stats:

Mignolet 2013/14: 9/28 (32%) saved.
Reina 2012/13: 7/25 (28%) saved.

Very little in it. Remember these are big chances as defined by Opta, so may not necessarily be ones you think of.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #3324 on:** April 23, 2014, 04:00:34 pm »

Some interesting stats I found earlier.

In terms of catches Mignolet is in the lower half but is pretty similar to a lot of his peers who also play for teams at the top end of the table.

In terms of punches he is one of the leading goalkeepers (and to agree with something Craig said earlier as long as the ball goes safe it doesn't really matter if you punch or catch):

In terms of saves/shots faced Mignolet is also one of the top keepers in the league:

farawayred · « **Reply #3325 on:** April 23, 2014, 04:30:40 pm »

This is an excellent example of statistics that give you a good idea, but hide the most important thing (just like a mini skirt).

My (subjective) interpretation of these stats is that Mignolet is pretty much a good keeper, who has one significant flaw that he needs to work on, the one that's recognized by all (and not his distribution). The comparison with Begovic and Pepe from last season stats gives another part of the truth - the failed claims. The stats are small, but this is something that a good keeper cannot afford to do. Once committed to a punch/catch, you have to make it. That can be learned with experience. If Mignolet works to improve that aspect of his game, which also comes with "commanding the box", he'd be a much better keeper and we'd be set for a long time.

Jason_King · « **Reply #3326 on:** April 23, 2014, 04:37:02 pm »

Im not completely convinced by Mig, however I certainly feel he is a better option than the Pepe of recent seasons.

The dark cloud is his silly goals he gives away, although I still think if he and Pepe went head to head, he would still be worth more points.

He isnt great on crosses either, which he needs to work on. Similar to David James, although from what I can remember I think James got a right bee in his bonnet over crosses and ended up coming for literally anything within 15 yards of him as if to prove a point

Walk On · « **Reply #3327 on:** April 23, 2014, 04:45:00 pm »

Quote from: farawayred on April 23, 2014, 04:30:40 pm

This is an excellent example of statistics that give you a good idea, but hide the most important thing (just like a mini skirt).

My (subjective) interpretation of these stats is that Mignolet is pretty much a good keeper, who has one significant flaw that he needs to work on, the one that's recognized by all (and not his distribution). The comparison with Begovic and Pepe from last season stats gives another part of the truth - the failed claims. The stats are small, but this is something that a good keeper cannot afford to do. Once committed to a punch/catch, you have to make it. That can be learned with experience. If Mignolet works to improve that aspect of his game, which also comes with "commanding the box", he'd be a much better keeper and we'd be set for a long time.

Spot on.

I think it was mentioned on TAW as well that for the first goal against Norwich, Skertl had it pretty much covered but Mignolet came out to punch clear and made a bit of a hash of it. Its a developmental area... he's a young keeper but also it could be that the defense needs to trust him to come out and get these...

CraigDS · « **Reply #3328 on:** April 23, 2014, 04:51:49 pm »

I'd be interested to see any stats on failed catches/punches for Mignolet this season in comparison to how many he has come for, also worth seeing these compared to other keepers this season too.

Mutton Geoff · « **Reply #3329 on:** April 23, 2014, 05:01:40 pm »

Seriously the lad is a baby in goalkeeping years, he is at a much bigger club, he is learning some new ideas and skills of the game, he has saved far more than any alleged fuck ups, he is one of the major reasons with his shot stopping why we are top of the league, but by all means tear a strip of the lad and then display your complete football ignorance for all to see.

I was very upset when Pepe left he was a great servant to the club and especially respectful of the fans through a tough period in our history, but would i want him back now, not a chance in hell.

just one final thought why hasn't anyone asked why we let so many crosses come in to our box?

sattapaartridge · « **Reply #3330 on:** April 23, 2014, 05:07:40 pm »

I agree with Touchstone, the lads still a kid. People may compare him with Reina and Courtios but Mignolet seems to have better shot stopping than both of them at this time.

Courtois is in a less physical league, and lets see how he does if he even comes to England.

But I think Mignolet has a very good mentality and he will only improve. Especially with his distribution.

CraigDS · « **Reply #3331 on:** April 23, 2014, 05:23:06 pm »

Quote from: Touchstone on April 23, 2014, 05:01:40 pm

Seriously the lad is a baby in goalkeeping years, he is at a much bigger club, he is learning some new ideas and skills of the game, he has saved far more than any alleged fuck ups, he is one of the major reasons with his shot stopping why we are top of the league, but by all means tear a strip of the lad and then display your complete football ignorance for all to see.

I was very upset when Pepe left he was a great servant to the club and especially respectful of the fans through a tough period in our history, but would i want him back now, not a chance in hell.

just one final thought why hasn't anyone asked why we let so many crosses come in to our box?

Completely right.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #3332 on:** April 28, 2014, 12:52:15 pm »

What a save that was at 0-1 from Schurrle.

Draex · « **Reply #3333 on:** April 28, 2014, 01:20:01 pm »

Couldn't do shit about the goals, pulled out 2 excellent saves - 1 from Cole and 1 from Schurle.. Thought he commanded his box far better against some chav typical scumbag tactics at corners.

Ken-Obi · « **Reply #3334 on:** April 28, 2014, 01:29:39 pm »

Together, let's blame him for their second goal.

CarlitoB · « **Reply #3335 on:** April 28, 2014, 02:14:41 pm »

Quote from: Touchstone on April 23, 2014, 05:01:40 pm

Seriously the lad is a baby in goalkeeping years

Reina had won 3 Golden Glove awards when he was the same age as this "baby". The only thing Mignolet will win this year is the Lead Boot award.

Quote from: Touchstone on April 23, 2014, 05:01:40 pm

just one final thought why hasn't anyone asked why we let so many crosses come in to our box?

Ask Linda Blair.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #3336 on:** April 28, 2014, 02:19:22 pm »

Quote from: CarlitoB on April 28, 2014, 02:14:41 pm

Reina had won 3 Golden Glove awards when he was the same age as this "baby". The only thing Mignolet will win this year is the Lead Boot award.

Ask Linda Blair.

Golden gloves is as much about the defense a goalkeeper is playing behind than the ability of the keeper.

Butter Keks · « **Reply #3337 on:** May 5, 2014, 09:00:13 pm »

Cracking first half from Mignolet. Two great saves and a quality punch from a set piece so far.

Keep it up Mig.

Wiss_LFC · « **Reply #3338 on:** May 5, 2014, 10:57:57 pm »

Thought he was the only shining light out there tonight, kept us in the game at time with some great saves and punching..

Cattive Maniere · « **Reply #3339 on:** May 5, 2014, 10:58:40 pm »

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/liverpool-wouldn-t-even-top-four-without-mignolet-111815687.html

Zoomers · « **Reply #3340 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:01:05 pm »

Superb keeper.

Wiss_LFC · « **Reply #3341 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:01:54 pm »

Quote from: Cattive Maniere on May 5, 2014, 10:58:40 pm

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/liverpool-wouldn-t-even-top-four-without-mignolet-111815687.html

But, but bring back Pepe!!!

Migs has had a awesome first season with us, long may it continue too..

Butter Keks · « **Reply #3342 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:04:48 pm »

Don't care what anyone says. Mignolet for me is one of the best shot stoppers around.

Carly · « **Reply #3343 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:24:40 pm »

Fantastic today. But once again an excellent performance overshadowed by the shit defending in front of him.

Je99ers · « **Reply #3344 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:26:53 pm »

Should Liverpool have gone for the right Belgium goalkeeper like Courtois?

Bad joke

elsewhere · « **Reply #3345 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:36:17 pm »

Quote from: Je99ers on May 5, 2014, 11:26:53 pm

Should Liverpool have gone for the right Belgium goalkeeper like Courtois?

Bad joke

Nah,I really think Mignolet is the better keeper.

Newman96 · « **Reply #3346 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:40:55 pm »

Quote from: elsewhere on May 5, 2014, 11:36:17 pm

Nah,I really think Mignolet is the better keeper.

I think Mignolet is a good keeper, although Courtois is much better.

Bergersrightwingviews · « **Reply #3347 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:41:38 pm »

Thought he was excellent tonight. Dealt with crosses very well and his shot-stopping was superb as always.

fowlermagic · « **Reply #3348 on:** May 5, 2014, 11:47:53 pm »

He actually kept us in the title race tonight. Well done Simon and can you please place a foot up every defensive players arse the next week or so.

welshred1976 · « **Reply #3349 on:** May 6, 2014, 12:49:30 pm »

After watching this season he's a brilliant shot stopper but distribution and claiming crosses both not good at all. Seems a strange choice considering what Brendan wants from a keeper.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #3350 on:** May 6, 2014, 01:48:04 pm »

Quote from: welshred1976 on May 6, 2014, 12:49:30 pm

After watching this season he's a brilliant shot stopper but distribution and claiming crosses both not good at all. Seems a strange choice considering what Brendan wants from a keeper.

What does Rodgers want from a keeper? You seem to have a better idea than he does.

And you know the distribution thing has been proven as rubbish on numerous occasions.

Broad Spectrum · « **Reply #3351 on:** May 6, 2014, 01:56:46 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on May 6, 2014, 01:48:04 pm

And you know the distribution thing has been proven as rubbish on numerous occasions.

Isn't he statistically the best in the Premiership?

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #3352 on:** May 6, 2014, 01:59:59 pm »

Quote from: Broad Spectrum on May 6, 2014, 01:56:46 pm

Isn't he statistically the best in the Premiership?

The last time I checked he was second or third but it wouldn't surprise me if he is top by now considering only three players had higher passing percentages than him yesterday.

Carly · « **Reply #3353 on:** May 6, 2014, 02:07:27 pm »

On a whole he's been class in his first season with us, and he'll only get better. Just need to sort that crappy defence in front of him though.

redhokie8 · « **Reply #3354 on:** May 6, 2014, 02:44:44 pm »

I think he's been great all season. His distribution and his ability of crosses has improved 10-fold as the season has progressed. He is still very young and will only get better. He could potentially become world class in the next few seasons. I'm quite excited about the future with him.

carling · « **Reply #3355 on:** May 6, 2014, 02:52:01 pm »

Just missed Mignolet in my local butchers. The butcher is a red and was telling me Mignolet was in a pretty serious mood!

BassTunedToRed · « **Reply #3356 on:** May 6, 2014, 03:22:13 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on May 6, 2014, 01:59:59 pm

The last time I checked he was second or third but it wouldn't surprise me if he is top by now considering only three players had higher passing percentages than him yesterday.

Mignolet is currently the top keeper for passing in the Premier League - 66.8% accuracy.

Chakan · « **Reply #3357 on:** May 6, 2014, 03:23:45 pm »

First season here, challenging for the title, hasn't really had a settled back 4 all season, great shot stopper, can only get better. What else are we expecting?

Shepnois · « **Reply #3358 on:** May 6, 2014, 03:38:44 pm »

He's had a very good 1st season, I think he's a great keeper with room to improve in certain areas. Lets hope with an improved and settled defence next season he'll get a few more clean sheets that he deserves.

The Infamous_LFC · « **Reply #3359 on:** May 6, 2014, 03:40:30 pm »

Made some top saves yesterday. When he tipped the ball over from Jedinaks shot>