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Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« on: August 17, 2013, 12:41:15 pm »
It's back! ;D

Where did the summer go, oh well, time to get my database cleaned up for the new season.

I'll do the first update after a couple of matches are completed.

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2013, 02:39:56 pm »
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2013, 02:40:31 pm »
Well that's 3 up on time, and 2 up on equivalent match!

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2013, 02:40:40 pm »
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2013, 02:41:14 pm »
We're ahead already and top of the league.
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2013, 02:41:37 pm »
Looking forward to this!  :)
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2013, 03:38:41 pm »
It's back! ;D

Where did the summer go, oh well, time to get my database cleaned up for the new season.

I'll do the first update after a couple of matches are completed.

Thanks, JP, as ever. Really appreciate your work in this thread. Thank you.

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2013, 05:02:37 pm »
Put this in the wrong thread but with Arsenal losing, Everton drawing and us winning we're off to almost the perfect start.
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2013, 04:03:15 pm »
Great thread! look forward to tracking it

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2013, 08:30:40 pm »
Nice one! Thanks JP
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2013, 09:06:41 pm »
Should be a mile ahead this time next month!
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2013, 10:17:46 am »
Posting here so that I can find the thread a bit easier. Appreciate the work JP, always an interesting thread. Hopefully it's not as depressing as in recent seasons though, but I say that every year!

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013, 07:26:10 pm »
Yeah!

+2 on equivalent match

+5 on time basis

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2013, 11:11:13 am »
In our current spell in the top flight (starting with 1962/63, of course):-

We have won our opening 2 games 12  times. 69/70 (run finished after 4 wins); 71/72 (2); 72/73 (2); 76/77 (2); 78/79 (6); 87/88 (2); 88/89 (2); 90/91 (8.); 93/94 (3);  94/95 (3); 02/03 (2); 08/09 (2)


We have kept a clean sheet in our opening 2 games 9  times. 67/68 (run finished after 3 clean sheets); 72/73 (2); 76/77 (2); 80/81 (2); 82/83 (3); 86/87 (2); 88/89 (2); 02/03 (2); 05/06 (4); 


So our best run of wins with clean sheets at start of season is 2, which we have matched this season, having previously achieved it in: 72/73; 76/77; 88/89; 02/03. 





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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2013, 09:19:28 am »

After our Villa win, the trend amongst TV and newspaper pundits seemed to be to say that we had now (twice) demonstrated an improvement over last season, because we were getting the 1-0 wins from games which might have been draws (or worse) last season.

Time will tell, of course. 

However, last season Stoke finished 13th.  Last season, we had home wins against 4 teams who finished 13th or higher.  Admittedly 3 of them (Swansea, Norwich, Fulham) were thumping (and so, the pundits might argue, we did not show the tenacity required in the last 10 minutes when seeking to close out a 1-0). 

Last season, Villa finished 15th.  We had 4 away victories against teams in 15th or higher (including against Villa).  Again, it is true to say that none of them were exactly 1-0.  But then we did not lose any 1-0 either, and the only 1-1 was a game (Chelsea) in which we recovered from being behind rather than failed to cling on.


So not time to draw too many conclusions just yet, imho, (and I know that readers of this thread already fully understand that!!)


I dont think we will be top on Sunday night, although, of course, "all" we need to do is to win by a bigger score than Spurs beat Arsenal by.

Just as a preemptive strike against any optimistic forecasts if we do happen to be in the champions elect position going into the international break, the last time that we were top after our third game was ....







... in 2011/12. 

Under Kenny, we drew one and won two, to top the table on Saturday 27 August 2011.  (To be fair, we did drop to third on the Sunday).




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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2013, 10:36:36 am »
Aston Villa are not a shit side this year. They've moved forward from last season and IMO they'll finish top 10, they'll hurt a lot of good teams with that attack this season. Stoke is not so tough although Stoke at Stoke I still think is a tougher proposition.

If we beat Man Utd (big if) we'll be:
+5 equivalent match
+7 on time basis

That I think would be a huge step forward.
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2013, 02:27:10 pm »
Great to have it back!

I tend to use the comparison to last seasons individual matches and so seeing us +2 already is a nice start.  Next 4 offer us a chance to increase further if we can stay in form.  I certainly hope we can take more than 5 points from the below 4 matches which is all we got last season.

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Swansea (A) - DREW
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Sunderland (A) - DREW


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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2013, 07:17:18 pm »
Early look at the time comp:

Spuds & ourselves with the best start, the blueshyte not  ;D

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2013, 01:18:37 pm »
Early look at the equivalent match comp:

Southampton leading the way.....you'd have to think Palace are a good bet for going down.....and we've leapfrogged Everton already ;D

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2013, 01:24:34 pm »
After the first two matches (3 for Chelsea & Villa), ourselves, Spuds & West Ham are the only teams not to have conceded a goal yet.

Chelsea are the first team to score more than 1 goal, more than 1 time (not a lot of scoring in the early going)....Newcastle & West Brom still to score yet.

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2013, 07:40:44 pm »
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Very interesting stat from Rodgers today:  Utd (38) only have two league points more than #LFC (36), since we last played them…

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2013, 10:05:36 am »
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Very interesting stat from Rodgers today:  Utd (38) only have two league points more than #LFC (36), since we last played them…

Over the last 14 PL games, we have 3 more points than them.

Us:  9W, 4D, 1L, GD +20.  Points 31

Them:  8W, 4D, 2L, GD +15.  Points 28.

We have also outscored them over that period by 29 to 28.


It's an OK-ish sample size, of just over a third of a season.  However, worth bearing in mind that we had none of our toughest away games in the period, and only two of our toughest home games.   (We beat Spurs and drew with Chelsea).

MU had Arse away, plus MC, and Chelsea (twice) at home.  They also had nothing but pride and statistics to play for in last few games of last season.



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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #22 on: September 1, 2013, 03:29:06 pm »
The first time we have ever started a top flight campaign with three wins combined with three clean sheets.

First time we have won the first three games since 1994.
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #23 on: September 1, 2013, 03:41:52 pm »
When was the last time we won three league games on the bounce?
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #24 on: September 1, 2013, 04:01:30 pm »
When was the last time we won three league games on the bounce?

Think we did it two or three times last season. From memory Rodgers made a thing out of it, paid for a dinner for the team night and Johnson was extracted full value smashing the deserts.
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #25 on: September 1, 2013, 07:08:54 pm »
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Very interesting stat from Rodgers today:  Utd (38) only have two league points more than #LFC (36), since we last played them…

That's one point less now! ;D
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #26 on: September 2, 2013, 12:51:26 am »
The first time we have ever started a top flight campaign with three wins combined with three clean sheets.

First time ever (in top flight)?  Knew it was first time in this spell, but hadnt realised it was first time ever.

I see that in our last promotion season, we started 2-0, 3-0, 5-0, and in our first ever season, it was 2-0, 4-0, 1-0.

But 1-0, 1-0, 1-0 is good enough.  (First time ever, for any club, with the same goalscorer, according to MOTD).



In our current spell in the top flight (starting with 1962/63, of course):-

We have won our opening 3 games 5  times:

69/70 (run finished after 4 wins)
78/79 (6)
90/91 (8.)
93/94 (3)
94/95 (3)


We have kept a clean sheet in our opening 3 games 3 times:

67/68 (run finished after 3 clean sheets)
82/83 (3)
05/06 (4) 




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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #27 on: September 2, 2013, 01:01:34 am »
When was the last time we won three league games on the bounce?


Our current run is 5 straight wins, including the last 2 games of last season.

We did 3 wins last season in Feb/Mar: Swansea (h), Wigan (a), Spurs (h).

This is the first time we won 5 in a row since the last 5 games of 08/09.  That season we had also had two earlier 5 game winning streaks.

Our last run of 6 successive league wins was when we won our last 9 games in the 05/06 season.

Earlier that same season, we had a run of 10 wins, which included 8 consecutive wins with clean sheets.



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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #28 on: September 2, 2013, 01:33:30 am »
That's one point less now! ;D

Yep.

Over the last 19 games (equal to half a season, of course, if we overlook things like MU playing Chelsea at home twice), we have one more point than them.

Us:  11W, 6D, 2L, GD +24.  Points 39

Them:  11W, 5D, 3L, GD + 18.  Points 38

Goals Scored:  Us - 39; Them - 34.


The fact that this is unrepresentative is probably proven by the fact that it is pretty certain that the title will not be won by (39x2=) 78 points.  It's encouraging, though.




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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #29 on: September 2, 2013, 10:57:33 pm »
First time ever (in top flight)?  Knew it was first time in this spell, but hadnt realised it was first time ever.

I see that in our last promotion season, we started 2-0, 3-0, 5-0, and in our first ever season, it was 2-0, 4-0, 1-0.

But 1-0, 1-0, 1-0 is good enough.  (First time ever, for any club, with the same goalscorer, according to MOTD).



In our current spell in the top flight (starting with 1962/63, of course):-

We have won our opening 3 games 5  times:

69/70 (run finished after 4 wins)
78/79 (6)
90/91 (8.)
93/94 (3)
94/95 (3)


We have kept a clean sheet in our opening 3 games 3 times:

67/68 (run finished after 3 clean sheets)
82/83 (3)
05/06 (4) 





it was on the commentary I had. I haven't checked, which could be in error!
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #30 on: September 2, 2013, 11:16:16 pm »
6 points we've gained from last year  ;)

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #31 on: September 2, 2013, 11:47:09 pm »
it was on the commentary I had. I haven't checked, which could be in error!

Oh, I aint doubting it.  I'm sure it's right.  I think I heard it on SSN too, after I'd read your post. (Unless they were just copying off you without checking).

We have done it at least twice in D2.  But the fact that we have only done it twice in over a hundred attempts (and never in top flight) shows that it's not to be sniffed at.

In 1893/94, we built on the 3 clean sheet wins to finish season unbeaten, and with a GD of +61.

In 61/62, we stayed top for entire season, and ended up 8 points clear of second (in 2 points for win era) and with 99 goals.

So the only 2 times we have done this before, we came top by a massive margin. 




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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #32 on: September 2, 2013, 11:49:39 pm »
So that's half of our deficit on 4th place closed by 3 games in! ;D
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #33 on: September 3, 2013, 04:03:39 pm »
If memory services, last year's equivalent of the next 6 games were:

Swansea (A):  0- 0 D
S'ton (H):        1-0  W
S'land (A):       1-1  D
Palace (H) (swapped for QPR) 1-0 W
N'castle (A):    0-6 W
WBA (H):         0-2 L

That leaves a fair amount of room for improvement. Last year we got 11pts out of 18. If we get full points from the next 6 games, then end up repeating all our other results, we're it the Champions Leauge!!...er, sort of. Still, we'd have made up last years deficit between us and 4th.



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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #34 on: September 3, 2013, 05:39:10 pm »
2 points a game is 76 points and the sort of trajectory we need to challenge for fourth.

Even 11/12 from the next 6 and I would be delighted. Obviously in this thread you do look down the line of the fixtures, but if we take it one game at a time on the pitch, we could have a great start. Obviously not wanting to count any of the chickens before they burst out the eggs.

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #35 on: September 3, 2013, 09:17:06 pm »
It took us 8 games last year to get us to 9 points
11 games for 12 points.


Obviously we played different teams at the start, but it looks good either way.

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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #36 on: September 4, 2013, 06:43:49 am »
If memory services, last year's equivalent of the next 6 games were:

Swansea (A):  0- 0 D
S'ton (H):        1-0  W
S'land (A):       1-1  D
Palace (H) (swapped for QPR) 1-0 W
N'castle (A):    0-6 W
WBA (H):         0-2 L

That leaves a fair amount of room for improvement. Last year we got 11pts out of 18. If we get full points from the next 6 games, then end up repeating all our other results, we're it the Champions Leauge!!...er, sort of. Still, we'd have made up last years deficit between us and 4th.




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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #37 on: September 4, 2013, 07:33:56 am »
Didn't we lose 3-0 at West Brom?

That was at Anfield. WBA actually did the double over us.
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #38 on: September 4, 2013, 10:26:05 am »
That was at Anfield. WBA actually did the double over us.

No it wasn't, yes they did and I've just realised I read the post wrong.
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Re: Results Comparison Thread: 2013-4
« Reply #39 on: September 4, 2013, 10:57:20 am »
I'm guessing we are doing reasonably well on the comparison front...