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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1360 on: October 30, 2013, 02:50:20 pm »
In what world?

Enrique is not good enough for this system, he is not good enough in possession and all too often his brain turns off.

Glen is 10x more suited, to say priority lies there is completely ignorant to a massive weakness in our side (left back)

At left back we have two players who can do the job that Brendan wants, offensively and defensively. Johnson is the only player on the right we can say that about, and when he's out we suffer massively. We need another proper right back, not a converted centreback

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1361 on: October 30, 2013, 02:50:44 pm »
In what world?

Enrique is not good enough for this system, he is not good enough in possession and all too often his brain turns off.

Glen is 10x more suited, to say priority lies there is completely ignorant to a massive weakness in our side (left back)
Because Johnson gets injured a lot and we have had to be content with playing Wisdom and Kelly (who for me, nice guys as they are, are not up to standard) as well as Toure (who everyone would rather see as centre back) or Sterling (who's not a RB and fouls a lot when played there).

Wisdom, Kelly and Toure are CB's though isn't it? and Sterling is not a defender at all. At least at LB we have 2.

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1362 on: October 30, 2013, 03:13:13 pm »
Surely Ryan McLaughlin isn't too far off getting a squad position?

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1363 on: October 30, 2013, 03:24:56 pm »
In what world?

Enrique is not good enough for this system, he is not good enough in possession and all too often his brain turns off.

Glen is 10x more suited, to say priority lies there is completely ignorant to a massive weakness in our side (left back)


Our best full back is Glen at right back but on the left we have better cover with both Ciss and Enrique
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1364 on: October 30, 2013, 03:37:48 pm »
Surely Ryan McLaughlin isn't too far off getting a squad position?

Thinking the same thing. Surely McLaughlin is good enough to at least deputize for Johnson at this point? I'm not having a go at Kelly, but he's not a right wing back, and I think the position would be perfect for Ryan. In our current setup, I would see Kelly's best position being wide in the back '3' of the 3-5-2.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1365 on: October 30, 2013, 03:44:05 pm »
Thinking the same thing. Surely McLaughlin is good enough to at least deputize for Johnson at this point? I'm not having a go at Kelly, but he's not a right wing back, and I think the position would be perfect for Ryan. In our current setup, I would see Kelly's best position being wide in the back '3' of the 3-5-2.

To be fair to Kells, McLaughlin would he his replacement if injured since Wisdom had gone on loan. 

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1366 on: October 30, 2013, 04:19:58 pm »
At left back we have two players who can do the job that Brendan wants, offensively and defensively. Johnson is the only player on the right we can say that about, and when he's out we suffer massively. We need another proper right back, not a converted centreback

McLaughlin? Surely this lad is ready to get his feet wet by now? Even as the ocassionally bench warmer? He's been getting rave reviews for ages and I still can't work out why Wisdom got his chance before him, apart from being big and strong.

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1367 on: October 30, 2013, 04:32:14 pm »
So we are talking about buying back-ups first? over getting genuine quality in?

Yes we are short in depth at RB, and with Enrique/Cissokho we have more depth on the left.

As it is now though, with the 3-1-4-2, I'd say Henderson is our "back up" for Glens role. With Sterling an option too.

I'd much rather bring in a quality left back/LWB first, in the Coentrao mould... then get in a right sided option. (Montoya)


EDIT: even forgot all about Kelly, still id rather Hendo in that role before him. Kelly still looks miles off, both on the pitch and in his head.

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1368 on: October 30, 2013, 04:34:53 pm »
In terms of quality, you might be right, but in terms of squad depth, we probably need another right back more than another left back. Kelly still returning from injury, Wisdom gone to Derby. Moses/Henderson/Sterling can do a job there, but it takes them away from where they are most effective. Right back and central midfield are the two areas we could do with additions. If we get them, then we can go back to other positions, I think.

Matic, Montoya.

Then go all out for a top Left Back, Coentrao would be nice. Not that many available top LB's around at the minute though. (Shaw?)

Bring in another Cout type, someone flexible in most attacking roles. There are endless around the World at the minute who would be great here.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1369 on: October 30, 2013, 04:46:33 pm »

EDIT: even forgot all about Kelly, still id rather Hendo in that role before him. Kelly still looks miles off, both on the pitch and in his head.




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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1370 on: October 30, 2013, 04:51:01 pm »
Bring in another Cout type, someone flexible in most attacking roles. There are endless around the World at the minute who would be great here.

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1371 on: October 30, 2013, 04:52:25 pm »
What do you mean?

The injury, ACL is a very mentally challenging one. I've done, it, had it operated on and re-ruptured. At the minute I can run, kick a ball etc, but I couldn't play a match, or anything that had excessive physical force put on the knee.

It takes a lot mentally to get over, and looking at and watching Kelly I still see a little doubt in his head at times.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1372 on: October 30, 2013, 04:53:14 pm »
Suso?

I see him being deployed n CM in future. I think he's better suited playing deeper, probably in between a DM and a Coutinho.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1373 on: October 30, 2013, 04:55:21 pm »
So we are talking about buying back-ups first? over getting genuine quality in?

Yes we are short in depth at RB, and with Enrique/Cissokho we have more depth on the left.

As it is now though, with the 3-1-4-2, I'd say Henderson is our "back up" for Glens role. With Sterling an option too.

I'd much rather bring in a quality left back/LWB first, in the Coentrao mould... then get in a right sided option. (Montoya)


EDIT: even forgot all about Kelly, still id rather Hendo in that role before him. Kelly still looks miles off, both on the pitch and in his head.

I certainly didn't say "back-ups" - I said "Additions". We need more depth, and if it's better than what we have, then great - but it has to be at least as good as what's already there, regardless of position. So for me, we have two left-backs who are at least equal to each other. Are there better out there? Sure. But you don't build a team on pick-and-mix unless you have the money to do so. We work to a budget constraint, so we have to build methodically, and that means going through each area continually, and strengthening it. Always looking at the weak spots first, not the strong ones. There are statistics that show that strengthening a weaker area has a more positive effect on results than strengthening an already strong area of the field. So we need to be looking at where we are short, rather than just picking up the strongest players available regardless of position. Because if we do that, then the weak areas will always remain weak.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1374 on: October 30, 2013, 05:11:04 pm »
I certainly didn't say "back-ups" - I said "Additions". We need more depth, and if it's better than what we have, then great - but it has to be at least as good as what's already there, regardless of position. So for me, we have two left-backs who are at least equal to each other. Are there better out there? Sure. But you don't build a team on pick-and-mix unless you have the money to do so. We work to a budget constraint, so we have to build methodically, and that means going through each area continually, and strengthening it. Always looking at the weak spots first, not the strong ones. There are statistics that show that strengthening a weaker area has a more positive effect on results than strengthening an already strong area of the field. So we need to be looking at where we are short, rather than just picking up the strongest players available regardless of position. Because if we do that, then the weak areas will always remain weak.

Much of a muchness.

We do need more depth, agree with that, but looking into buying "an equal" Enrique/Cissokho, doesn't do anything but cater for injuries or tiredness. This a huge dent in Spurs purchases this summer, its all very equal and good for rotation throughout cups but that's it.

Glen, Hendo, Kelly - RB/RWB

Enrique, Cissokho - LB/LWB

Bring in a top LB, Enrique becomes your depth. Cissokho goes. That 100% prioritises over bringing in somebody to sit between Glen and Henderson for RB.

Its all down to individuals either way, and Rodgers is the one who knows the "weak areas".

No doubt its about adding quality, and depth. They go hand in hand anyway.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1375 on: October 30, 2013, 05:32:04 pm »
Much of a muchness.

We do need more depth, agree with that, but looking into buying "an equal" Enrique/Cissokho, doesn't do anything but cater for injuries or tiredness. This a huge dent in Spurs purchases this summer, its all very equal and good for rotation throughout cups but that's it.

Glen, Hendo, Kelly - RB/RWB

Enrique, Cissokho - LB/LWB

Bring in a top LB, Enrique becomes your depth. Cissokho goes. That 100% prioritises over bringing in somebody to sit between Glen and Henderson for RB.

Its all down to individuals either way, and Rodgers is the one who knows the "weak areas".

No doubt its about adding quality, and depth. They go hand in hand anyway.

I did say "at least as equal as" :D

Also, why have three left backs and only one right back starter? You have to build a squad as much as a first team, and if you can do that in one move rather than two, then all the better.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1376 on: October 30, 2013, 05:35:05 pm »
Much of a muchness.

We do need more depth, agree with that, but looking into buying "an equal" Enrique/Cissokho, doesn't do anything but cater for injuries or tiredness. This a huge dent in Spurs purchases this summer, its all very equal and good for rotation throughout cups but that's it.

Glen, Hendo, Kelly - RB/RWB

Enrique, Cissokho - LB/LWB

Bring in a top LB, Enrique becomes your depth. Cissokho goes. That 100% prioritises over bringing in somebody to sit between Glen and Henderson for RB.

Its all down to individuals either way, and Rodgers is the one who knows the "weak areas".

No doubt its about adding quality, and depth. They go hand in hand anyway.

Definitely true. That's what we've done well since January to aid in our boosted position. We've signed 4 or 5 players who instantly improved on our first XI while added good quality players to add to our depth. You always need the best of both worlds.

I still think we need a couple of wingbacks on each side. One at Glen's level and one to improve on left wing backs we've got. I still don't think Guilherme Siqueira will be out of BR's transfer plans if Benfica decide against taking up the option to buy.

We still need a quality CM and that's what I think will be Brendan's main aim come January. 

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1377 on: October 30, 2013, 05:46:19 pm »
how are we talking about full backs in a mamadou thread?

anyway. i dont like the idea of buying substandard degen/kromkamp style fullbacks.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1378 on: October 30, 2013, 05:57:26 pm »
I don't know if this  has been posted yet but i'm posting it up again!

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1379 on: October 30, 2013, 11:19:31 pm »
His face and stare alone will make defenders chicken out of taking him on

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1380 on: October 31, 2013, 07:10:32 am »
Wow typical massive over reaction to a new .player on rawk.

Agger is proven quality.

Sakho has been decent for a few games and is potentially very good.

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1381 on: October 31, 2013, 07:47:06 am »
I still think we need a couple of wingbacks on each side. One at Glen's level and one to improve on left wing backs we've got. I still don't think Guilherme Siqueira will be out of BR's transfer plans if Benfica decide against taking up the option to buy.

We still need a quality CM and that's what I think will be Brendan's main aim come January.

Agree with this. Johnson and Enrique always look fucked at the end of the season. Kelly isn't the type of fullback we need in this system, I can see him making the transition to CB over time. Montoya is out of contract in the summer, he'd be on my list of targets. Will provide good competition and backup now, and then when GJ leaves, he should step up and claim first choice. Cissokho isn't good enough for me and I would echo your thoughts on Siqueira who's really good. He's good enough to push Enrique out of the side all season for me, but from what I've seen of Aly the past few years and his time here so far, I don't see him doing the same.

I think we'll sign one defensive midfielder (Fernando is the one I've heard) and try to get the attacking player we failed to get in the summer.

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1382 on: October 31, 2013, 08:05:45 am »
I think we'll sign one defensive midfielder (Fernando is the one I've heard) and try to get the attacking player we failed to get in the summer.

have we been linked mate? i am always impressed when i watch him for Porto and this deal would make a lot of sense on a free

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« Reply #1383 on: October 31, 2013, 11:53:48 am »
While we're talking about fullbacks...I just can't understand why people seem to think that Johnson is so much better than Enrique. Not saying Enrique is one of our better players by any means, but links far better with the likes of Suarez then Johnson does. I think this is because he plays the ball much quicker than Johnson who often frustrates as he always wants 3+ touches on the ball. Enrique is frustrating in the exact opposite direction, as very often he plays it first time when the pass is not on. Personally I think we could do better than both of these, but as we have Cissokho as cover for LB now, you've got to provide decent cover for Johnson first, not sign yet another LB! Preferably someone who could push him out of the team, or at least give him some real competition. I could definitely see Rogers looking to strengthen RB in January.

Oh, and Sakho's amazing. A bit worried about him being too eager to go to ground, but his timing so far looks good. A little worried about us conceding a penalty against the Arse though....but we'll still score more.  ;D

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« Reply #1384 on: October 31, 2013, 12:01:41 pm »
While we're talking about fullbacks...I just can't understand why people seem to think that Johnson is so much better than Enrique.

Because he is lad.

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« Reply #1385 on: October 31, 2013, 12:12:39 pm »
Because he is lad.

http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/26

Current overall contribution Glen Johnson rated our 4th best player - Jose Enrique 14th

Hey thanks for that! I did find that surprising. I guess I just have a pet peeve against players who slow the play down, but maybe tired Johnson from the end of last year is clouding my judgement!  ;)

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1386 on: October 31, 2013, 12:23:08 pm »
In what world?

Enrique is not good enough for this system, he is not good enough in possession and all too often his brain turns off.

Glen is 10x more suited, to say priority lies there is completely ignorant to a massive weakness in our side (left back)

I am uncertain as to what you're trying to say. Very cryptic. I think you should steer clear of circumlocutions and be a bit more declarative.   :)
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« Reply #1387 on: October 31, 2013, 01:36:12 pm »
I certainly didn't say "back-ups" - I said "Additions". We need more depth, and if it's better than what we have, then great - but it has to be at least as good as what's already there, regardless of position. So for me, we have two left-backs who are at least equal to each other. Are there better out there? Sure. But you don't build a team on pick-and-mix unless you have the money to do so. We work to a budget constraint, so we have to build methodically, and that means going through each area continually, and strengthening it. Always looking at the weak spots first, not the strong ones. There are statistics that show that strengthening a weaker area has a more positive effect on results than strengthening an already strong area of the field. So we need to be looking at where we are short, rather than just picking up the strongest players available regardless of position. Because if we do that, then the weak areas will always remain weak.

A very anti-Purslovian argument. He thought that the best players needed to be collected, and the worst players needed to be kicked out, regardless of squad balance. It resulted in us having no LBs at the club except for a 16 year old with 20 minutes of playing experience. Ever since that summer, I'm instinctively suspicious of any argument that runs "not good enough" without reference to any squad context.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1388 on: October 31, 2013, 02:17:44 pm »
I am uncertain as to what you're trying to say. Very cryptic. I think you should steer clear of circumlocutions and be a bit more declarative.   :)

Ey up clever clogs.

Jose Enrique isn't good enough.

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« Reply #1389 on: November 2, 2013, 09:44:33 pm »
What a fantastic defender we have here. Brilliant in both defence and bringing it out of the defence once we have it.
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« Reply #1390 on: November 2, 2013, 09:48:02 pm »
Best player for us today. He has a way of looking like he doesn't know what he's doing and then pulls of the pass/tackle/interception/dribble perfectly and leaves you wonder how the hell it happened. If it happened a few times one could argue that it's luck, but not if it happens almost every single time. Boss player and strong as a fucking ox.
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« Reply #1391 on: November 2, 2013, 09:50:00 pm »
What a fantastic defender we have here. Brilliant in both defence and bringing it out of the defence once we have it.

can you run us through his thinking for their first goal.
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« Reply #1392 on: November 2, 2013, 09:57:41 pm »
can you run us through his thinking for their first goal.

He was closing down the forward with the ball and not allowing him to turn. If he's not there then that attacking is allowed to turn and run straight at us. It's not his job to track Sagna.

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« Reply #1393 on: November 2, 2013, 10:06:55 pm »
He was closing down the forward with the ball and not allowing him to turn. If he's not there then that attacking is allowed to turn and run straight at us. It's not his job to track Sagna.

so he saw arsenal had a player standing still.....the player your talking about that he closed down.
the ball was played into the wide area...that zone where the wingback is always going to leave a gap between the side cb and himself.

surely the side centre back is wary of this danger and that if you step forward and don't win the ball you leave a massive gap.

surely knowing all that your better off holding the line because you can cover if the ball is played wide.

surely if the player your talking about  cant turn and run into clear space because sakho would be holding a solid line if he gets the ball.

if he was one of my centre backs he would be pasted all over the dressing room wall for that.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1394 on: November 2, 2013, 10:08:47 pm »
so he saw arsenal had a player standing still.....the player your talking about that he closed down.
the ball was played into the wide area...that zone where the wingback is always going to leave a gap between the side cb and himself.

surely the side centre back is wary of this danger and that if you step forward and don't win the ball you leave a massive gap.

surely knowing all that your better off holding the line because you can cover if the ball is played wide.

surely if the player your talking about  cant turn and run into clear space because sakho would be holding a solid line if he gets the ball.

if he was one of my centre backs he would be pasted all over the dressing room wall for that.

Looked good when he went to left back
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1395 on: November 2, 2013, 10:10:59 pm »
Looked good when he went to left back

he looks more solid as a left back.

as a centre back he looks like a nightmare.

to eager to close down and unaware he is leaving dangerous space .....I can see why alex got in ahead of him at psg
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1396 on: November 2, 2013, 10:28:04 pm »
.....I can see why alex got in ahead of him at psg
Much more to do with Thiago's influence by all accounts.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1397 on: November 2, 2013, 10:30:55 pm »
G1 Jockey, you expect A LOT of a defender if you think he has been poor.
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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1398 on: November 2, 2013, 10:32:39 pm »
He had a good game and I didn't think he was at all accountable for the first goal.

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Re: LFC sign Mamadou Sakho
« Reply #1399 on: November 2, 2013, 10:32:44 pm »
Surely Sakho was expecting Cissokho to do something other than switch off, fail to appropriately track Sagna who ran a straight line from midfield into our box and then perhaps challenge his cross? Perhaps Sakho should share some blame, but it all began with Cissokho for me.