Topic: Our Goalkeepers

[Anfield89]

Well, we already traded Mignolet for Jones outside of the transfer window. 

Not sure if this is the right thread, but is there anyone in the youth team who looks like the real deal?

Nowhere near.

[Dirkydirkdirk]

The switch of Mignolet and Jones was interesting. I think that it wasn't about either player really but more about the shape of the team.

In Migs last three games we had changed the way that we played to help him. He was knocking it long from every restart and the back four were sitting deeper. We tightened up but we lost momentum going forward and that change didn't suit any of the players except Mignolet and maybe Lambert.

For the United game I get the feeling that Rodgers backed his system and picked the players who were best suited to play it. A keeper (Jones) who is more comfortable with the ball at his feet and quicker off his line and small, pacy forwards who are comfortable with the ball on the deck. The downside of that is that Brad Jones is (in my opinion) not a very good goalkeeper. He worries the crap out of me every game he plays.

In the long term, I think that when he bought Mignolet he thought that he was getting an excellent shot stopper and he would coach the rest into him. 18 months later I think he has realised that it is not that easy to coach away his natural instincts.

[Benimar Col]

In 3 games he's conceded 6 and this is over 3 games we've had the better of but we're conceding from most chances. Bournemouth had chances but missed the target with most of them. United and Arsenal scored with most of theirs.

I can't countenance Jones being in goal for the rest of the season. There will be games he'll be far busier than he has been. The Chelsea tie for example.

difficult to judge really, Man Utd the defense was wide open ( as usual ) Arsenal second goal the defense was nowhere but maybe he could have done better with the first goal, Bournemouth goal was just as bad defensively, he just walked thru to score.

I don't believe Mignolet has been treated fairly,, in definitely dropped is bad man management,, name any goalkeeper in the world who would be comfortable with those clowns directly in front of him ?

[Pidalow]

If i was Rodgers i would demand our owners to get Cech. Theres no way he will be willing to stay on the bench. Maybe seeing what has happened to Lampard since his move to City might encourage him to move to a new club and reignite his career.

[RK7]

We can see from what is happening at United just how important a top GK is. Hopefully we have someone ready to come in because neither are helping our cause  at the moment.

[Haggis36]

Problem with bringing another GK in is we'll now get absolutely rinsed because everyone knows we're desperate. The manager has come out and said Mignolet won't play again in the foreseeable future (that's a really fucking strange comment to make imo and makes it sound like he's not in our long term plans, so much so that I wouldn't be surprised if we were looking to bin him off) and everyone knows Jones isn't a PL level GK, so we're not in a particularly strong position.

Add in the fact that we have so many other problems to try and sort out transferwise, and I'm not sure I can see past an older keeper on a free or a loan. No way Chelsea would let Cech come here, in my opinion. What do they stand to gain? Cech would have to be effectively kicking up all manner of shit and forcing his way out before they'd even consider it, and even then they'd have plenty of takers who would pay money. We're in a no win situation, really.

[elpistolero7]

Problem with bringing another GK in is we'll now get absolutely rinsed because everyone knows we're desperate. The manager has come out and said Mignolet won't play again in the foreseeable future (that's a really fucking strange comment to make imo and makes it sound like he's not in our long term plans, so much so that I wouldn't be surprised if we were looking to bin him off) and everyone knows Jones isn't a PL level GK, so we're not in a particularly strong position.

Add in the fact that we have so many other problems to try and sort out transferwise, and I'm not sure I can see past an older keeper on a free or a loan. No way Chelsea would let Cech come here, in my opinion. What do they stand to gain? Cech would have to be effectively kicking up all manner of shit and forcing his way out before they'd even consider it, and even then they'd have plenty of takers who would pay money. We're in a no win situation, really.

Valdez

[Haggis36]

Valdez

Whatever happened with that? Training with United most recently, is he not?

[smicer07]

Thought Jones did well today.

[Kopenhagen]

Whatever happened with that? Training with United most recently, is he not?

From Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal (two days ago):

"It's only talk from you," he said. "Not from us, not from Valdes, only the media. I'm not here to inform the media. You have to wait and listen and see.

"If Liverpool are interested, he goes to Liverpool. The media are suggesting and that's a big mistake.

"That's why I'm always angry because you are inventing stories. There are no stories.

"He is training here. I give him the possibility to do that. We shall see."

[djschembri]

5 goals out of 8 shots on target for Jones is it?

He simply isn't good enough. Had no effect on the results against Utd and Bournemouth but he arguably cost us the three points today, as a half decent keeper would have got to the first goal.

[downtown]

Someone posted in the post-match thread.

Was refreshing to see the keeper distribute the ball quick and effectively, doesn't kick it to the stands under slightest bit of pressure every couple of mins, and actually leaves the line to clear a goal scoring chance for opposition, yells at defenders etc. Just a shame his shot-stopping is subpar. Watching Jones makes you realize how much Mignolet lacks in other aspect of his games other than shot-stopping.

[RyanBabel19]

Someone posted in the post-match thread.

Was refreshing to see the keeper distribute the ball quick and effectively, doesn't kick it to the stands under slightest bit of pressure every couple of mins, and actually leaves the line to clear a goal scoring chance for opposition, yells at defenders etc. Just a shame his shot-stopping is subpar. Watching Jones makes you realize how much Mignolet lacks in other aspect of his games other than shot-stopping.

He's done it in all the games he's played for us this season. He may not be good enough to be a liverpool goalkeeper, but the way some talk about him as if he has no positives to his game is unfair.

I'd love Mignolet to be good enough but to be honest he isn't either, very good shot stopper, but theres not too much else he seems to excel in. We need a new first choice keeper in the january window, Mignolet has had game after game after game to improve and he still doesn't command his box, still stays rooted to his line way too often and still hesitates more than any top keeper would.

[paddysour]

I think it's a disgrace we're in this situation. How come most of our rivals have better keepers, and more importantly, keepers that are suited to our supposed unique style of football. Even Spurs have TWO of them!

[Jake]

We should directly sign a better keeper from one of our rivals.

Naming no names, but that's something we don't do enough of. We don't sign players that weaken our rivals too, we sign players from mid table teams or abroad.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Lloris

[JackWard33]

Someone posted in the post-match thread.

Was refreshing to see the keeper distribute the ball quick and effectively, doesn't kick it to the stands under slightest bit of pressure every couple of mins, and actually leaves the line to clear a goal scoring chance for opposition, yells at defenders etc. Just a shame his shot-stopping is subpar. Watching Jones makes you realize how much Mignolet lacks in other aspect of his games other than shot-stopping.

Reading this post makes me realise how much people over rate distribution and under rate shot stopping when talking about keepers

[KiNki]

Can't we have both

[Bobinhood]

Its true, Jones play with his feet has had a calming effect on the whole team and his shouts seem wise instead of shrieky and the whole thing just seems much better overall but everything he concedes Miggy would stop with his eyes closed imo.

We need a Genetic Splicer and we need one fast!

[The Infamous_LFC]

LOL Jones really shitted out of that punch for the second ball that ended up in Arsenals first goal. Should have went through the ball flying, taking out Skrtel and Debuchy at the same time. Instead he just stood on his line and watched it deflect past him. Keepers are the bravest players on the team and we got two soft keepers.

Chelsea have two of the most dominant GK's in the league and we got two keepers than couldn't claim JSA let alone crosses. This makes me nervous going into every game.

[kcbworth]

Jones starting over Mignolet is unacceptable imho.

But anyway, that's where we are so we can't do much.

On a positive note, he's got a bit of a kamikaze approach to releasing the ball quickly, and so far it is actually paying off lol.

[kcbworth]

Reading this post makes me realise how much people over rate distribution and under rate shot stopping when talking about keepers

Kind of goes both ways tbf. We've certainly looked a different team building from the back in recent weeks. Probably not down to Jones, but perhaps we wouldn't have done so well if Mig was the one starting those buildups.

That said, we need Mig in front of goal ASAP ffs. Not acceptable not playing him imho.

Whatever his perceived flaws, we finished second, within a game of the title, last year, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he played every single one of those games.

[Didi_ram]

Lloris is a pipe dream. I'd rather we want all out to get that Perin guy. Very highly rated, and moves like a panther.

[The Infamous_LFC]

Personally I think Lloris is trash. Can't claim crosses either. He is good off his line though and a good shot stopper.

Huge lack of top keepers out there. Would sign Valdes personally because he is the pick of the bunch and the most attainable.

[Didi_ram]

Maybe Valdes as a stop gap till the summer, and maybe a good young quality keeper for the next season. I'd take it.

[JSteve]

Perin would be a dream but I don't think its realistic.

[Didi_ram]

Perin would be a dream but I don't think its realistic.

Quoted at 15m euros apparently.

[The Infamous_LFC]

Never heard of Perin googled him. Italian. Goal Keeper.

Im sold. Sign him. The Next Gigi Buffon

[Bolrick]

When it comes to Jones Vs Mignolet, it seems the coaching team wants to fly before it can run.

1)The defence is making loads of mistakes.
2)Coaching team hasn't play the same set of defenders in a run of games
3)Coaching team keeps changing the tactics (3CBs, Gerrard holding, Lucas holding, 4 CBs, Hendo as a RW...etc)

So with all the uncertainties in defence, doesn't it make sense to go with a Goal Keeper who does just that ....Keep the goal ?

Yes, we all like to play from the back. We want the Keeper to generate quick attacks from his distribution. We want the keeper to sweep well. We want the keeper to be good in recycling the ball with his feet....YES I get it.

But lets not try to aim for too high when the defence is in 6s & 7s.... Make sure the defence is functioning as a team...then play your tiki takka or tippy tappy with the keeper.

Until then.....a sane thing to do is to persist with a keeper (who is already in our books) who actually stops shots. We keep letting in soft goals with Jones in the team (to top it off gerrard is back to playing quarter-back and protecting the defence...jesus).

[ShayGuevara]

Someone posted in the post-match thread.

Was refreshing to see the keeper distribute the ball quick and effectively, doesn't kick it to the stands under slightest bit of pressure every couple of mins, and actually leaves the line to clear a goal scoring chance for opposition, yells at defenders etc. Just a shame his shot-stopping is subpar. Watching Jones makes you realize how much Mignolet lacks in other aspect of his games other than shot-stopping.

Nonsense.

The reason Jones was kicking long unlike Mignolet is because he can't be trusted to play it short. His distribution is poor like the rest of his game.

Surely Rodgers will change things after the Arsenal result that's a game we would of won with Mignolet starting.

I'm not a massive Mignolet fan, agree he's an excellent shot stopper as good as there is in the league but lacks elsewhere and can certainly be improved on but Jones is as mediocre as it gets its amazing he's still our no 2 although I believe thats the very reason Rodgers is giving him game time to let FSG know how little depth we have in that area after failing to replace Doni a few seasons ago as a solid back up GK.

[Solomon Grundy]

Our goalkeepers - Are not good enough - The end.

[ShayGuevara]

One thing I will say about Jones is... When he has come in before his performances have always improved as the games went on. Guess its a confidence thing. At the end of the day though the ability is just not there and never has been for him. .

[KopThat]

I rated Begovic over Mignolet at the time, but now I think we should be aiming a little higher.

Fraser Forster is doing well for Southampton,

We are a long way behind our rivals keepers, Chelsea have two keepers better than ours

[Fromola]

I think it's a disgrace we're in this situation. How come most of our rivals have better keepers, and more importantly, keepers that are suited to our supposed unique style of football. Even Spurs have TWO of them!

Everyone else also have better goalkeeping coaches than we do. It comes down to shoddy scouting (Mignolet), coaching (Achterberg) and just general stupidity (Rodgers giving Brad Jones a new contract last year).

Pantmillon had a blinder for Sunderland yesterday and he wasn't considered good enough to be Man City's number two.

[hide5seek]

No way should Jones be starting in front of Mignolet, bloody madness.

[farawayred]

No way should Jones be starting in front of Mignolet, bloody madness.

Nonsense. He's not the better shot stopper of the two, but he is playing on merit right now.

[Halcyon Lissome]

Think it's a pointless debate. I don't rate either much and there's not much splitting them to make the discussion meaningful. Both are clearly not what we need.

[b_joseph]

No way should Jones be starting in front of Mignolet, bloody madness.

Simons shot stopping has taken an urban legend type leap since he has been left out of the team. Not going to say that he isn't good at it because he is..better than Jones. But not to the extent that some are making out.

But Jones might actually be better at everything else at this stage. Ofcourse, you might say "all but the most important thing" and nobody could argue that.
But what's done is done. Neither are long term options.

[aggerdid]

some of jones' attempts to stop the goals yesterday and against man u are what you expect from an outfield player in goal

[ShayGuevara]

some of jones' attempts to stop the goals yesterday and against man u are what you expect from an outfield player in goal

Instead of diving for the ball he remains on his feet almost scurrying across the goal. It's unbelievable he's getting game time at this level, even more unbelievable it's been for us vs Utd and Arsenal in massive fixtures for us.