Topic: Our Goalkeepers

[ShayGuevara]

Threads on the forum to discuss defenders, midfielders and attackers already but none to discuss goalkeepers so said I'd create one.

Rodgers has said Mignolet is dropped indefinitely and replaced him with Brad Jones, has also said Jones will start again in the upcoming match against Arsenal after a couple of shaky performances.

Who's our best GK at the moment?

Is Rodgers correct to publicly drop Mignolet, will this lead to better performances from him when he returns? Or is it a statement to the owners that he wants someone in January after inactivity in the market in that position for a few seasons now? Or is it possible Jones has simply looked better than Mignolet in training and deserves to be starting on merit?

Interested to see peoples thoughts/opinions.

[Gerrard#1]

Mignolet is three times the keeper Jones has ever been. I understand the decision to drop Simon but it won't help the team.

We need to aim higher than the likes of Ochoa if we intend to replace Mignolet.

[ShayGuevara]

Mignolet is three times the keeper Jones has ever been. I understand the decision to drop Simon but it won't help the team.

We need to aim higher than the likes of Ochoa if we intend to replace Mignolet.

Try keep it away from transfer talk as thats why the mods moved the last one.

Will be interesting to see how Mignolet bounces back from this and if this decision was for the good of the team or a statement to the owners which some are suggesting.

[Passmaster Molby]

Mignolet is the best keeper at the club by far, and we should be doing all we can to help rebuild his confidence. Telling him he is dropped indefinitely does not do that, and Brendan has now backed himself into a corner whereby he has to use Brad Jones in the next couple of games which reduces the levels of quality in the team.

I only hope he has found a replacement keeper and he arrives on the first of January otherwise this situation could get even more messy than it already is.

[RogerTheRed]

I seem to recall some concerns over the coaching ability of JA some time ago. Should those doubts re-surface now based on our current situation between the sticks?

[NealFrom25Yards]

As I said in the last topic, I think Brendan made absolutely the right choice here - for both keepers, and for the team.

Mignolet was a bag of nerves and it was contagious. The crowd felt it, we reacted to them, and then the rest of the team were infected.

A few weeks out of the spotlight will do him the world of good.

[Bolrick]

 I don't really follow our youth players that well, but are there any GK in our youth teams who are rated well ?

I keep hearing about canos,  ibe, rossiter, Wilson, Sinclair, pedro chiri (not sure of his last name)...etc. But no GK.

I say this because maybe if we have a potential keeper in our reserves or youth, this could be the moment to at least add his to the 1st team. I really go no confidence at Jones.

Yes Mignolet is a bag of nerves now. But I reckon the crowd are gonna turn on Jones if he starts a few more games. We have an awesome group of youth players. Maybe its time to bring them in now ?

[BrandoLFC]

Migs is dropped because more than likely he's done at LFC.  If there isn't a new GK signing within the first week of January I'd be amazed.

[Mamadou]

right decision for dropping Mignolet

[kcbworth]

right decision for dropping Mignolet

Excuse me?

[Severely]

I can understand why he did it - there was a lot of pressure on Mignolet and a colossal lack of confidence which was obviously affecting the back line and their performances and synergy. Do I agree? It's hard to say. For all the impact on the team, when it comes down to it, Mignolet is a great shot stopper. Far, far better than Brad Jones, and I say it as a big fan of Brad, and I think that over the course of the season, Mignolet will ultimately win us more points than he'll cost us.

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

Mignolet is shit. However, he's better than Jones.

It was the right decision to pull him but made at the wrong time. He's got to start today, can't be arsed with Jones.

[TheBazz]

Cant do worse than losing already. Nothings gonna change if brad isnt better.

[Kopenhagen]

right decision for dropping Mignolet

Err, nah. I can see why he did it, but the timing was very weird.

[ShayGuevara]

I don't really follow our youth players that well, but are there any GK in our youth teams who are rated well ?

I keep hearing about canos,  ibe, rossiter, Wilson, Sinclair, pedro chiri (not sure of his last name)...etc. But no GK.

I say this because maybe if we have a potential keeper in our reserves or youth, this could be the moment to at least add his to the 1st team. I really go no confidence at Jones.

Yes Mignolet is a bag of nerves now. But I reckon the crowd are gonna turn on Jones if he starts a few more games. We have an awesome group of youth players. Maybe its time to bring them in now ?

Neither do I but it's dissapointing to think none have surpassed Jones yet.

[Gnurglan]

I'd bet on Mignolet as the better keeper. But with Reina in relatively fresh memory, Mignolet looks weaker. With Reina we had an active player. Safe with the ball at his feet, always looking to start attacking moves and having watched the Advent Calender, when Ngog scored and Reina sprinted the length of the pitch to celebrate, we appear to have lost a big personality. Compare those three things with Mignolet. So when I see Mignolet or Jones, Mignolet is our best pick, but I wouldn't mind improving. And it's the first pick that needs to be better.

[killer-heels]

Reina was terrible the last couple of seasons and quite frankly not motivated. Mignolet started well but has been poor. Jones isn't very good. Basically, we need a good keeper. But a good one this time.

[Yorkykopite]

The last thread on this subject got binned didn't it? What's the point?

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

I'd bet on Mignolet as the better keeper. But with Reina in relatively fresh memory, Mignolet looks weaker. With Reina we had an active player. Safe with the ball at his feet, always looking to start attacking moves

he also could barely save a shot to save his life. Cazorla's goal at the near post springs to mind. Then there was the time against City and his handling in general war bad as well

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

if jones is picked today and makes a mistake its not going to reflect well on the boss.

every decision now is going to be scrutinised because of the bad start.

picking jones over mignolet wont solve any problems...its just going to make them worse.

[ShayGuevara]

The last thread on this subject got binned didn't it? What's the point?

Noticed that not sure why though? Surely it deserves a thread just like every other position.

[Cid]

he also could barely save a shot to save his life. Cazorla's goal at the near post springs to mind. Then there was the time against City and his handling in general war bad as well

True. Lost count of the amount of shots pepe stood still and watched fly into his net.  It was getting to the point where any shot on target would fly in and I'd wager if Kenny had a keeper that could make saves like mignolet we'd have competed far more (let's not forget we were well in touch of 4th before the owners fucked Kenny over with a trademark 0 signings in January).

At the time we bought migs people rightly applauded the decision.  It was argued we would be better off with a goalkeeper who can make saves than one who was good with their feet but awful at keeping the ball out of the net.

How things have changed.  Migs is still a wonderful shot stopper in my book, but it's become apparent that's all he'll ever be.  He doesn't have the brain or the technique to dominate his box like a Cech or sweep like a llorris.

Having both excellent shot stopping and the footballing skills to support a teams style of play is what marks the great keepers out from the good ones.

Migs is a good keeper.  So was Reina.  Brad is too to be fair.  What we need is someone great.  For the moment the manager has decided we need brads decisiveness more than mig's saves... It's his decision to make and far from the most baffling thing he's done so far this season.

[thekitkatshuffler]

There are threads on here for midfield, defence and attack because there are a plethora of options and systems available in those positions.

In goal however, we only have 2 real options, and they're both shit.  So probably not much need for a thread discussing it.

[JoeCole]

Mignolet is better than Jones, however it was the right decision to drop him.

BUT it makes no sense to me to drop him when he did. He should have been dropped for a couple of games about a month ago, not after a decent performance against Basel and heading into games against Utd and Arsenal.

[Anywhichwayicant]

Jones is better.

[ShayGuevara]

I honestly believe Jones on his best day isn't anywhere near Mignolet on his worse. We have nothing to gain by dropping Mignolet other than:

Maybe dropping him for a couple of games will get his head right and improve him. Hoping Jones does ok in the mean time. Comments like him being dropped indefinitely though don't make it sound like he's doing it to help build confidence though which is clearly what Mignolet is lacking at the minute.

or

It's a statement to FSG that they failed to sign a back up GK the past few seasons since Doni left and now that Mignolet is out of form this is what we're left with so get someone in in January or we'll struggle. Dangerous game though if thats Rodgers thinking behind it.

It's really strange, not to mention his pre game presser before Arsenal. Seem's he's a man under pressure currently.

Will we have to wait until Jones costs us a goal and we lose that game by one goal or draw when we could of won before Rodgers picks Mignolet again? It's clear he's not as good even on current form as Mignolet, why persist with him?

[ShayGuevara]

Jones is better.

Than Mignolet?

[Anywhichwayicant]

Than Mignolet?

Yup. Commands his area so much better. Mignolet may be a better shot stopper, but overall Jones is the better keeper, for me.

[myrlas]

http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#goalkeeper-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#all-teams#goalkeeper#16#44#0#0#90#16/08/2014#21/12/2014#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total

It's a myth that Mignolet is such a poor goalkeeper. He's saved us plenty of times, far more often that he's actually cost us points. He's not dominating his area as well as he perhaps shoud, and in possession he may seem clumsy. But hell, goalkeeping is about, well, goalkeeping. To me Mignolet is one of the lesser problems regarding our defensive record.

[ShayGuevara]

Yup. Commands his area so much better. Mignolet may be a better shot stopper, but overall Jones is the better keeper, for me.

You think Mignolet would get a few apps at the very least if he was with Shelbourne for the season? Make the Australia squad even?

[Mamadou]

Yup. Commands his area so much better. Mignolet may be a better shot stopper, but overall Jones is the better keeper, for me.

for me too

the truth is, Mignolet was a Sunderland goalkeeper two seasons ago, and he was quite average there.

I always liked Jones, and he deserves to get a run of games,to prove some of us right or some of us wrong

[thejbs]

I simply don't rate Jones.  Neither at Liverpool or before he came.  He's not good enough. I'm more confident with a nervy Mignolet than him.  The Utd game typified his ability.  His positioning and decision making was absolutely atrocious for the two (legitmate) goals. 

Mignolet has cost us points but also made some world class stops. 

[potatomato33]

I like Brad Jones and his quick release of the ball. I think he's the type of keeper who does the basics well and that's what we need right now from the team--getting the basics right. I don't expect him to make great saves, but as long as he doesn't make mistakes on the basics, he's earned his pay.

This also helps Mignolet take a breather and get back to doing the basics right again. Maybe Rogers is doing this to make the fans appreciate Mignolet being between the sticks after seeing Brad in goal, but the only issue I see with this is the timing of it, like other posters have said before him.

[jambutty]

If Mignolet is not our style, where would he go and what would we get?

[MBL?]

If Mignolet is not going to play we should start Fulton. He's already better than Jones.

[stockdam]

Maybe Rogers is doing this to make the fans appreciate Mignolet being between the sticks after seeing Brad in goal, but the only issue I see with this is the timing of it, like other posters have said before him.

Don't be silly. Rodgers is doing this because he thinks it's the right thing to do. It's not some kind of stunt for the fans; his job would be in serious danger if he was playing childish games.

Stop the conspiracy theories.

[stockdam]

If Mignolet is not going to play we should start Fulton. He's already better than Jones.

Let the manager and his coaching staff decide as they have more data than we do.

[MBL?]

Let the manager and his coaching staff decide as they have more data than we do.

Spot on. We should keep our opinions to our selves and close the forum.

[SlowRap]

As I said in the last topic, I think Brendan made absolutely the right choice here - for both keepers, and for the team.

Mignolet was a bag of nerves and it was contagious. The crowd felt it, we reacted to them, and then the rest of the team were infected.

A few weeks out of the spotlight will do him the world of good.

this

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

for me too

the truth is, Mignolet was a Sunderland goalkeeper two seasons ago, and he was quite average there.

won their player of the season when we bought him, he was quite good, problem is, it's easy to be a decent GK for relegation candidates