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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #360 on: December 22, 2014, 02:25:53 pm »
We deserved to lose?!  :butt

You're just engaging in circular reasoning. We deserved x because the result was x and because the result was x we deserved to lose.

Football has a bit more nuance than that. If we keep teams to 7 shots, 3 on target, for the rest of the season we will improve markedly. Not every chance will be taken that the opposition get and 2 goals from 3 shots on target is not a common occurrence in general. We should only wish to be able to dominate as we did, against Arsenal, against everyone; yet here you are saying that performance deserved a loss. Incredible.

We did deserve to lose because we never took our chances and they were ruthless with theirs. Tempting as it may be to simply look at the performance and take our overall dominance as a sign we should have won it is not true, the performances of finishers and goalkeepers count too, and in those departments Man U were miles ahead.

Sterling scores when one on one and things could have been very difficult but you don't lose 3-0 and not deserve to lose. 
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #361 on: December 22, 2014, 02:33:29 pm »
One season certainly does not define a manager the club needs to allow time for him to work. He has two seasons I think to turn things in the right direction and by then frankly all the excuses regarding staff should be resolved.

One thing in common with all successful teams past and present. They have a couple of people up front who will take those chances given half a chance and a great keeper. The game against Arsenal highlighted we struggle to take our chances.

If it was against say a Chelsea or Man City we could of been buried. To be fair, we played well and I thought well enough to win the game. But we are riding our luck and need to get that killer instinct back. Top four looks like a push at this point but I hope I am wrong.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #362 on: December 22, 2014, 02:42:17 pm »
We did deserve to lose because we never took our chances and they were ruthless with theirs. Tempting as it may be to simply look at the performance and take our overall dominance as a sign we should have won it is not true, the performances of finishers and goalkeepers count too, and in those departments Man U were miles ahead.

Sterling scores when one on one and things could have been very difficult but you don't lose 3-0 and not deserve to lose.

Because in 2 of the 3 instances they got a shot on target it demeans everything else we did? No. Results-wise it might; but performance wise it doesn't. It simply has nothing to do with each other.

With all due respect, probably best to finish this discussion because we'll never agree and I'm more than positive that Rodgers too (and many other top managers) do not look at a game simply like this. Even if they're happy with a result when they don't deserve it; they'll be noting the performance and analysing it.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #363 on: December 22, 2014, 02:44:41 pm »
Wow....

And whats your opinion on Rodgers' comment on Mignolet being "indefinitely" dropped ?

And how about..... we had no other options so we bought balotelli ?

That he's dropped until he sees fit. Being a motivator doesn't mean you are a people pleaser and the message you send to a squad is different to one that you might send to a single player. For a keeper there is nowhere to hide; it's not about rotation, injury (in this case) or anything else...if he is on the bench he is basically dropped.

And what is your point about Balotelli? You can't take one statement like that and try to paint a negative image of it when the entire time he has been here Rodgers has been positive about Balotelli and despite the lack of performances and indiscretions he is still behind him.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #364 on: December 22, 2014, 02:46:28 pm »
In fairness, results and performances were so poor that he had to do something.  Despite our attacking lineups we were creating nothing while remaining wide open at the back, I think he was probably justified in a temporary battening down of the hatches.  My god we were awful to watch for a few games but at least we started to look a bit more solid.  I'm so glad his hand was forced by that first half performance against Basel though as there has been a huge improvement since.

It's a huge relief as I was wondering what the hell had happened and where we go from here, whereas what I am seeing now is a good side that needs a quality goalkeeper and a finisher (or two) to get back to a CL challenging level.
100% this. For whatever reason Brendan seems back on track.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #365 on: December 22, 2014, 03:08:43 pm »
100% this. For whatever reason Brendan seems back on track.

There's been an improvement but we need more evidence and a string of results to say that things are back on track. Just because the house has stopped burning doesn't mean that things are rosy. There's a lot that still needs to go right before everything looks as it should in chez Brendan and it's cost us Champions League and given us a huge challenge to get back in it next season.

Whatever happens this season, the appalling start to this season (and how Brendan managed it) will leave me with long lasting reservations about his ability to think clearly mid-season when other crises occur.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #366 on: December 22, 2014, 03:37:33 pm »
There's been an improvement but we need more evidence and a string of results to say that things are back on track. Just because the house has stopped burning doesn't mean that things are rosy. There's a lot that still needs to go right before everything looks as it should in chez Brendan and it's cost us Champions League and given us a huge challenge to get back in it next season.

Whatever happens this season, the appalling start to this season (and how Brendan managed it) will leave me with long lasting reservations about his ability to think clearly mid-season when other crises occur.
This season has been hugely worrying not from a player point of view but from our manager, but in the last week its like he remembered who he was.  We completely dominated a top team yesterday, and as VDM said we now look a couple of players short rather than a whole squad.  It's not about mistakes it's a learning from them and he didn't seem to be, but this last week he has shown he can adapt.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #367 on: December 22, 2014, 03:42:46 pm »
I regard the 3-4-3 as something of a short term fix. I don't see it as a long-term solution simply because the CBs are not good enough to play 3-4-3, either being too slow (Toure) too rash (Lovren) or prone to bad decision-making (Skrtel/Sahko). Balls into the corners hurt the side too much, forcing players out from the centre and disrupting the defensive line. Counter-aatacking sides in particular are dangerous.

However, what is good is that Rodgers has fixed some of the problems that were perceivable from the beginning of the season, namely too much sideways passing and lack of movement up front. By playing Sterling high and Markovic wide, Coutinho has more options and is much more effective as a consequence. I said last year he was the key to our attack and our best games came when he was on the pitch and in good form. The re-jigged system has revolved around getting the most out of Coutinho (and in fact Sterling has been somewhat sacrificed into the thankless role of running in behind the backline and pinning the back four back).

It's been interesting to see how Rodgers has solved the various problems afflicting the side; the soft midfield (flood it and let Lucas tackle everything), the non-functioning attack (pace and creation of lots of chances), the weak defence (put another CB in and cross your fingers).  he desrves credit for coming up with a solution while trying to figure out how to resolved the various issues in the team. Last year he dallied with a 3-5-2 before switching to a more orthodox 4-4-2 witha  diamond.

A few weeks back I was very upset at his percieved failure to even address the problems in the side, with the team just mindlessly trundling along. I believe it reached its nadir against United, when all the lessons from the previous weeks were tossed aside. I honestly felt his days were numbered after that, though I did not express that concern out loud. 

Now though I feel somewhat more confident. The current formation is getting the most out of our best players (including freeing up Gerrard) and even if it is probably only a temporary solution, it will probably be effective enough to see the side through until Sturridge returns and the new players come into the side in january. That will probably include a new keeper; as an aside I have to say the decision to go with Brad Jones is madness in my opinion (unless he is being shop-windowed). Mignolet, for all his faults, is a far superior keeper (imo). If Liverpool have signed a new keeper (as has been suggested by some papers), it's Jones who should be on the way out, with Mignolet going to the bench.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #368 on: December 22, 2014, 03:50:09 pm »
It's not about mistakes it's a learning from them and he didn't seem to be, but this last week he has shown he can adapt.

Being able to adapt should be a basic requirement in a manager at any level. I'm not going to pat him on the back for that. Brendan's learning curve needs to be much less steep and take less long in future. Perhaps it isn't about "lessons" in the traditional sense anyway, it's about swallowing some pride, reverting to players who weren't his "cup of tea" etc. Our squad isn't strong enough for our manager to drop players who are fit and who can do a job. Sometimes, a manager of any sort needs to work with what he has - and man management needs to be top notch to do that. Brendan has, for whatever reasons, over complicated things for himself when many of the answers were right in front of him. If that's a trait of his rather than a lesson to be learned then we may find ourselves in similar positions in future, unfortunately.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #369 on: December 22, 2014, 04:16:00 pm »
In fairness, results and performances were so poor that he had to do something.  Despite our attacking lineups we were creating nothing while remaining wide open at the back, I think he was probably justified in a temporary battening down of the hatches.  My god we were awful to watch for a few games but at least we started to look a bit more solid.  I'm so glad his hand was forced by that first half performance against Basel though as there has been a huge improvement since.

It's a huge relief as I was wondering what the hell had happened and where we go from here, whereas what I am seeing now is a good side that needs a quality goalkeeper and a finisher (or two) to get back to a CL challenging level.

I cant really remember how we set up but I think the Palace game stunned us all as losing 3-1 was awful and in that game we had Lambert up front by himself I believe. Brendan responded by shoring us up a little as he brought Lucas backed & it did help I guess as we had a couple of clean sheets.  Still our overall performances even then were poor as we were still giving the opposition too many bites at the apple while at the same time looking like we were stuck in treacle in terms of our attacking flow.

In the past 3 games we have looked a different side, more ourselves but still lacking the finishing edge while still giving the opposition way too many chances to knock one or two or three in. Half ways through the season we may have leaked 2 or more goals in 40% of our games so whatever Brendan is dreaming of lately he must be getting the regular nightmare too of our defending.

I bet Brendan is seriously regretting the Basle wake up call did not come a game earlier where we played pretty poorly against Sunderland. I don't think we worried Pantilimon much in that game and if Brendan had set out against Basle in the same manner as he has the past 2 or 3 games we still be in the CL probably and he be a lot safer in terms of his job security. Look at least we have seen the light (I hope) and will continue with pace leading the line as no matter what happens, if Sturridge is not available then it has to be a speedy alternative in for his replacement. Ballotelli ...I don't know if he has a long term future as a starter for us as even when Sturridge comes back I stick with Sterling alongside him. Would you drop Lallana or Coutinho or even a quickly improving Markovic for Ballotelli to play alongside Sturridge as his has little goals to his game right now and is oblivious to an assist for his team mate normally.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #370 on: December 22, 2014, 04:59:47 pm »
The man needs to learn how to coach a defence, simple as. Arsenal were fucking woeful yesterday and scored two. Bournemouth with better finishing could have had 4. We need a defensive coach at the very least, this really has gone on for way too long and is showing no signs of improving.
Do you coach?

The reason I ask is because you do not seem aware that no amount of coaching can remove ingrained, natural habits from a person's game. When the pressure is on and fatigue hinders the decision making process, players tend to revert to their natural game. We have a mix of players who want to hold the line and push out after a clearance and players who want to drop deep and continue dropping even deeper to defend crosses and free kicks. This causes confusion and disarray as you have some players doing one thing while others are doing the opposite.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #371 on: December 22, 2014, 05:11:39 pm »
Do you coach?

The reason I ask is because you do not seem aware that no amount of coaching can remove ingrained, natural habits from a person's game. When the pressure is on and fatigue hinders the decision making process, players tend to revert to their natural game. We have a mix of players who want to hold the line and push out after a clearance and players who want to drop deep and continue dropping even deeper to defend crosses and free kicks. This causes confusion and disarray as you have some players doing one thing while others are doing the opposite.


so in a nutshell what you are saying is someone is not following orders and still gets picked or rodders lets em get on with it??
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #372 on: December 22, 2014, 06:25:19 pm »
That he's dropped until he sees fit. Being a motivator doesn't mean you are a people pleaser and the message you send to a squad is different to one that you might send to a single player. For a keeper there is nowhere to hide; it's not about rotation, injury (in this case) or anything else...if he is on the bench he is basically dropped.

And what is your point about Balotelli? You can't take one statement like that and try to paint a negative image of it when the entire time he has been here Rodgers has been positive about Balotelli and despite the lack of performances and indiscretions he is still behind him.

It's bad man management in both instances to say those things in public. If most agree that praising the players after each match regardless in order to protect them while they're building confidence is good from him (i do), then you have to accept that rodgers saying those things in public was poor from him.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #373 on: December 22, 2014, 07:27:23 pm »
so in a nutshell what you are saying is someone is not following orders and still gets picked or rodders lets em get on with it??
Not really.......

In a perfect world we would have three CBs who are new school and who are happy to hold the higher line. It is likely, though, that Rodgers also wants one of the CBs to be a no nonsense defender who is not afraid of sticking his head or foot in where it hurts. At this moment in time, that player is Skrtel who also happens to chip in with key goals. None of the other CBs are that sort of player so Skrtel is playing.
If we are to stay with the three CBs, then I would hazard a guess that we would buy a new CB in January who fits the new school/high line/push up criteria but is also a no nonsense defender.
Or we revert to a Back 4 and play Manquillo (Glen Johnson is old skool) Lovern, Sahko and Moreno and hope that Sahko or Lovren can become that defensive leader that we need.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #374 on: December 22, 2014, 07:30:27 pm »
Fair few arrogant posts in here. People have different opinions, doesnt make them less of a fan because they happen to disagree.
Differing opinions are fine as it is impossible for everyone to agree about everything. On here, I expect people to be respectful about the manager and the players even if they disagree with what is happening on and off the pitch.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #375 on: December 22, 2014, 07:37:47 pm »
Differing opinions are fine as it is impossible for everyone to agree about everything. On here, I expect people to be respectful about the manager and the players even if they disagree with what is happening on and off the pitch.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #376 on: December 22, 2014, 07:40:43 pm »
Do you coach?

The reason I ask is because you do not seem aware that no amount of coaching can remove ingrained, natural habits from a person's game. When the pressure is on and fatigue hinders the decision making process, players tend to revert to their natural game. We have a mix of players who want to hold the line and push out after a clearance and players who want to drop deep and continue dropping even deeper to defend crosses and free kicks. This causes confusion and disarray as you have some players doing one thing while others are doing the opposite.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #377 on: December 22, 2014, 07:52:09 pm »
Hyypia as a defensive coach please.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #378 on: December 22, 2014, 08:00:02 pm »
Defensive coach is a myth  ::)

Imagine Sami in first day of training with Brendan.

Sami: "Hey listen Markovic, when you make a forward run, don't continue it inside, because if they intercept the pass, your position is vacant and they can fuck us on the counter"

Markovic: "Uhm, okay, I'll try"

Rodgers: "WTF, There is no point then. we need Lazar in the box after he does a one and two because our chances of scoring increases"

Sami: "But then you can't complain about conceding on the counter"

and here we go and go.

Real Madrid have scored 81 goals and conceded only 11 in their last 22 matches in all comps (WON ALL). They don't have a defensive coach. If a coach is to be added to the management staff, it won't be for defensive reasons only. It'll be a first team coach that has input in everything. Because that's the only way it'd make sense. Like the influence Queiroz had on Man Utd in Europe and adopting how to play away from home in CL.

For it to work, both parties need to be flexible and open to the idea. and we don't know it.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #379 on: December 23, 2014, 12:13:34 am »
Defensive coach is a myth  ::)

Imagine Sami in first day of training with Brendan.

Sami: "Hey listen Markovic, when you make a forward run, don't continue it inside, because if they intercept the pass, your position is vacant and they can fuck us on the counter"

Markovic: "Uhm, okay, I'll try"

Rodgers: "WTF, There is no point then. we need Lazar in the box after he does a one and two because our chances of scoring increases"

Sami: "But then you can't complain about conceding on the counter"

and here we go and go.

Real Madrid have scored 81 goals and conceded only 11 in their last 22 matches in all comps (WON ALL). They don't have a defensive coach. If a coach is to be added to the management staff, it won't be for defensive reasons only. It'll be a first team coach that has input in everything. Because that's the only way it'd make sense. Like the influence Queiroz had on Man Utd in Europe and adopting how to play away from home in CL.

For it to work, both parties need to be flexible and open to the idea. and we don't know it.

Good point. Football teams should be a cohesive team front to back and not 3 rows a la fussball.

I'm convinced Chelsea's 4 would struggle playing in our system and ours would look ok in theirs. Not for a second am I suggesting Cahill and the right back are not outstanding players (the other 2 are very good too), it's just easier for them. And they have 2 of the best keepers on the planet which is nice for them. What's the alternative for us? Sack Brendan, change the system and play park the bus type football? I love Brendan's style - I like it that with our first XI we can have a go against anyone (maybe not Madrid). I'll miss our style of play in the future. I love having 27 shots and 70% possession against Arsenal.

Like that Tomkins article (in the anfield wrap thread) we have to find a differnt way to compete (because we have an inferior XI & squad - and always will) and I like Brendan's way.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #380 on: December 23, 2014, 01:00:58 am »
I'm convinced Chelsea's 4 would struggle playing in our system and ours would look ok in theirs. Not for a second am I suggesting Cahill and the right back are not outstanding players (the other 2 are very good too), it's just easier for them. And they have 2 of the best keepers on the planet which is nice for them.

Equally, that Chelsea back line is much, much cheaper than ours.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #381 on: December 23, 2014, 01:12:26 am »
Hyypia as a defensive coach please.

Real life football isn't like Football Manager. You can't just hire a defensive coach and fix the defence. Too many chefs and all that. The furthest we should ever go in that direction is having an assistant manager or a first team coach who is more clued up with the defensive side of things. I'm not sure Pascoe or Marsh are.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #382 on: December 23, 2014, 01:25:14 am »
What about Hyypia as centre half?

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #383 on: December 23, 2014, 01:28:57 am »
What about Hyypia as centre half?

Haha. Could do much worse.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #384 on: December 23, 2014, 01:34:46 am »
Haha. Could do much worse.

We have done much worse :D

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #385 on: December 23, 2014, 01:36:42 am »
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #386 on: December 23, 2014, 01:46:47 am »
We have done much worse :D

Bascombe reckons sakho will be sold at right price. Ffs if we keep lovren and sell sakho we might as well all give up. He's a top centre half crying to be partnered by anyone but skrtel. 95% of the games he's played alongside skrtel and no ones good at that. Best defender by a mile

If Sakho is sold and Lovren kept then for me that's proof than rodgers should be nowhere near transfers, and doesn't have the eye to see a good defender
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #387 on: December 23, 2014, 02:20:45 am »
I wouldn't exactly take Bascombe's words as wisdom. Nothing but a shit stirrer, IMO.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #388 on: December 23, 2014, 02:25:30 am »
I wouldn't exactly take Bascombe's words as wisdom. Nothing but a shit stirrer, IMO.

he comes across like that to me ever since his time as a Purslow mouthpiece !
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #389 on: December 23, 2014, 02:36:09 am »
he comes across like that to me ever since his time as a Purslow mouthpiece !

Rafa banned him from the Melwood press room apparently.

The prick worked for the News of the World, too. Never been a fan, I must say.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #390 on: December 23, 2014, 02:51:49 am »
If Sakho is sold and Lovren kept then for me that's proof than rodgers should be nowhere near transfers, and doesn't have the eye to see a good defender

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #391 on: December 23, 2014, 09:08:21 am »
We are 10th in the league at Christmas, out of the Champions League having won a single game in a group that, barring Real Madrid, we should have expected more from (though Basel away is tough) and we have become the epitome of an average side by being 'unlucky' not to win having played well; when a good team is one that is 'lucky' to win because it has played so poorly.

Can those defending Rodgers tell me, how bad it has to get before last season fades into irrlevance? Does Brendan have to be leading us out in the Championship before you will question him?

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #392 on: December 23, 2014, 09:24:56 am »
Rodgers is an excellent young manager. Lacks a bit of experience though. I dont think he can get results with average players, like a Pulis /fat Sam would. But give him a team of good players and he ll get them producing great football. He has clear ideas on how to play and while he fails in organising a defence or in winning ugly, some of the football liverpool have played under him is the best ive seen from a liverpool team . It is a shame for him that circumstances have contrived to make him look bad this season. Losing top players for various reasons and missing out on others, players that are crucial to make his system work. A system based on speed and movement.
I think his biggest mistake is settling for players he didnt want. Thinking his brilliance will get him through. Probably over estimated himself there.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #393 on: December 23, 2014, 09:32:34 am »
Rodgers is an excellent young manager. Lacks a bit of experience though. I dont think he can get results with average players, like a Pulis /fat Sam would. But give him a team of good players and he ll get them producing great football. He has clear ideas on how to play and while he fails in organising a defence or in winning ugly, some of the football liverpool have played under him is the best ive seen from a liverpool team . It is a shame for him that circumstances have contrived to make him look bad this season. Losing top players for various reasons and missing out on others, players that are crucial to make his system work. A system based on speed and movement.
I think his biggest mistake is settling for players he didnt want. Thinking his brilliance will get him through. Probably over estimated himself there.

Sorry but I think you are over-estimating him as well.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #394 on: December 23, 2014, 09:39:36 am »
Sorry but I think you are over-estimating him as well.

Everytime we (arsenal) play Liverpool, you look like world beaters. I find it hard to criticise him, or any manager that has his teams playing great football. Your mistakes seem to be very basic errors like 4 defenders not marking one player in the box. You would think that can be fixed. Playing awful football is harder to fix. If you get what I mean.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #395 on: December 23, 2014, 09:42:14 am »
Everytime we (arsenal) play Liverpool, you look like world beaters. I find it hard to criticise him, or any manager that has his teams playing great football. You're mistakes seem to be very basic errors like 4 defenders not marking one player in the box. You would think that can be fixed. Playing awful football is harder to fix. If you get what I mean.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #396 on: December 23, 2014, 09:47:47 am »
We are 10th in the league at Christmas, out of the Champions League having won a single game in a group that, barring Real Madrid, we should have expected more from (though Basel away is tough) and we have become the epitome of an average side by being 'unlucky' not to win having played well; when a good team is one that is 'lucky' to win because it has played so poorly.

Can those defending Rodgers tell me, how bad it has to get before last season fades into irrlevance? Does Brendan have to be leading us out in the Championship before you will question him?

He deserves till the end of the season at least. We are still in 3 cups and have a very slim chance of top 4 so the season can't just be tossed away now. Lots to play for and from my perspective the best chance of success is continuity. Let's see where we are at the end of the season rather than at Christmas.

Reality is that we are not going to get relegated so what have we got to lose by giving a manager a chance to turn things round? We've had 4 poor months that was preceded by 18 months of significant progress. Mistakes have happened in that 4 months but I'd be inclined to give Rodgers the chance to rectify them mistakes in the next 5 months (including a transfer window).

Out of interest, what is the alternative that you would propose?
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #397 on: December 23, 2014, 09:49:50 am »
Rodgers is an excellent young manager. Lacks a bit of experience though. I dont think he can get results with average players, like a Pulis /fat Sam would. But give him a team of good players and he ll get them producing great football. He has clear ideas on how to play and while he fails in organising a defence or in winning ugly, some of the football liverpool have played under him is the best ive seen from a liverpool team . It is a shame for him that circumstances have contrived to make him look bad this season. Losing top players for various reasons and missing out on others, players that are crucial to make his system work. A system based on speed and movement.
I think his biggest mistake is settling for players he didnt want. Thinking his brilliance will get him through. Probably over estimated himself there.

This is a very good point.

The system/style of football we play needs good players, and if we get them then you get last season.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #398 on: December 23, 2014, 10:16:06 am »
He deserves till the end of the season at least. We are still in 3 cups and have a very slim chance of top 4 so the season can't just be tossed away now. Lots to play for and from my perspective the best chance of success is continuity. Let's see where we are at the end of the season rather than at Christmas.

Reality is that we are not going to get relegated so what have we got to lose by giving a manager a chance to turn things round? We've had 4 poor months that was preceded by 18 months of significant progress. Mistakes have happened in that 4 months but I'd be inclined to give Rodgers the chance to rectify them mistakes in the next 5 months (including a transfer window).

Out of interest, what is the alternative that you would propose?

Agree with this but I think with these owners it may well be top four or bust for Rodgers and don't think Rodgers or many of the fans so steadfastly behind him right now can complain too much should the owners pull the trigger should Liverpool fail qualify for the CL given this is Rodgers third season. Thats just the nature of the modern game.

At this moment we don't look anywhere near good enough to challenge for a CL place in the league; at this moment we sit in mid-table mediocracy with many of sides above us looking comfortably better than us Southampton recently just came off five game loosing streak yet they still have a significant lead on us. I think our next game against Swansea will provide a real indication of wether we have turned the corner or not. It's type of game we must win for any one who still has any sort of hope of making a CL spot via the PL.

     
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #399 on: December 23, 2014, 10:19:19 am »
We are 10th in the league at Christmas, out of the Champions League having won a single game in a group that, barring Real Madrid, we should have expected more from (though Basel away is tough) and we have become the epitome of an average side by being 'unlucky' not to win having played well; when a good team is one that is 'lucky' to win because it has played so poorly.

Can those defending Rodgers tell me, how bad it has to get before last season fades into irrlevance? Does Brendan have to be leading us out in the Championship before you will question him?
Tell me, do you see a difference between the last 3 games and all those that went before it this season? Trust me, if the level of performance from the last 3 games is maintained for the rest of the season we'll finish in the top 5, perhaps top 4 with a bit of luck. If it goes back to the dire stuff we were playing before that, we'll get what we deserve as we have been for most of the season, and finish somewhere around 8th at which point the owners would surely fire Rodgers irrespective of fan opinion and would be a fair enough outcome as well.