Author Topic: The King isn't dead, long live the King.Why Red isn't just the colour of Romance  (Read 13492 times)

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From The Return of the King to The King's Speech, every subtle and unsubtle film, book, historical saying, song and sea shanty phrase has been used to proclaim Dalglish's return to management. Every creative use of the word that was ever written has turned up on someone's post and thread and banner and flag of late.

Now lets be honest, we're a sentimental lot at the best and worst of times. No denying it. Not self pity city but real sentiment (though we're a right shower of bastards when we lose and its been a lot of showers recently) and the one single thing that Kenny could guarantee was an outpouring of emotion upon his return.

And when it comes to creative writings, what better proof that football is truly stranger than art. Kenny's first game v MR Alex Ferguson at the theatre of rubbish (with a beautiful swan dive from the ballerina Berbatov to cap the artistry off).

The noise we made there told you that in quiet corners of our sentimental nostalgic red tinted specs, that Liverpool might be looking once more at that hill to come up. Not coming up it yet though, a day trip to pleasure beach was anything but and then the derby against that other shower across the park reminded us of the reality that is the mire we're in.

You see, what most other fans of other clubs don't get about us is this. We're not fatalists like Manchester City fans, we're not glory boys in blue and bitter bitters who only believe the worst. But nor are we the purely sentimental emotional backward looking idealists that most media and misunderstanderers would have us be. Pete Wylie may tug at our heart strings but you don't live in a port only looking inland.

Liverpool fans love their history - as much as others do. We've long memories, but then so have Spurs fans - "I tell yer mate, we played some right proper football in them days" and never mind the Geordies - "Wear still a big cloob man", but as much as the press and pundits would love to have it, Reds are more than romanticists, we're realists too.

And that's why the noise for Kenny may have reminded us of past atmospheres, but it was for something more real and futuristic than that.

It was a noise of a waking giant that said we're trusting one of our own to rouse the slumbering red men and take us up that hill and once more, if nothing else, get some fucking passion into our players.

Someone on here said they'd seen Fernando smile for the first time in ages on Sunday. Well I know this, there were players at OT that were unrecognisable from previous weeks, like shackles had been released from their ankles and blinkers from their eyes.

But whilst that sounds like Mills and Boon for footballers, we all know the truth is out there. Kenny has one very difficult job on his hands, and I'll be honest, I was very very worried about his return. Because I (and everyone else lets be honest) knew he alone could rouse the players and unite the fans, repair that fracture between club and supporter. But could he actually manage the team…
So far the red reality is this: He’s not won a game yet, and the facts are there to see, we’re in a mess at the moment. The defence is wonky, the midfield unsure and our forwards less forward than a nun at a trappist dance night.

But I’ve been reassured by a couple of things. Firstly the appointment of Steve Clark, an astute move that said Kenny accepted he might need new outside blood, not circling the wagons but extending the hand of invitation. Secondly, his press conferences, not defensive and mumbling and full of reasons but reality and bite and wit – what we expect from a Liverpool manager. And finally and perhaps the most tenuous and emotional of all, but one I expect reds to understand (and frankly the rest can fuck off) – a sense of purpose.
In all our games confidence has been low but we’ve played and more importantly tried to play the Liverpool way of passing and moving and playing to our skills and enjoying the football as best we can. Our first half v Evershit was some of the nicest fastest movement and support for the front men I’ve seen in a long time.

Whisper it boys, its that sense, that urgency and desire and most importantly that unity between player and manager and fan that is somewhere growing, that is somewhere slowly but surely rising in voice and deed. Whatever happens the rest of this season, I’m suddenly once more a Liverpool fan bonded and interested and part of that surge, the swell and song and shout and the hairs on the back of my neck standing on end.

Realistically we’re a romantic bunch. But we’re a right shower of realists too. And if for nothing else, Kenny Dalglish gets my support until the end of the season at the very least, to start to get it right and nurture back to life, the Liverpool that I love.
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spot on

this season is crap,Roy left burned ground...i expect real Kenny in the next season,with few new signs
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Thats a great Post and i thoroughly agree with what you said
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I'm keeping an open mind as to how long-term a solution he is. But that still means heads down and 100% support until the end of the season.
You may rest assured that the national media will be stirring constantly to make us feel bad whatever happens. Also remember this club needs senior ex-players on the scene - and perhqps on the board - who aren't tarnished by having asked for Hodgson to be given more time.

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Agree with what you are saying.
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Wish i could have put it that elequently. Well in.
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Well, in the main, we have got our pride back and that's really all that counts this season - if we can play the best we can, we'll be ok and slowly the rot that has set in will at least be partially cured
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Whisper it boys, its that sense, that urgency and desire and most importantly that unity between player and manager and fan that is somewhere growing, that is somewhere slowly but surely rising in voice and deed. Whatever happens the rest of this season, I’m suddenly once more a Liverpool fan bonded and interested and part of that surge, the swell and song and shout and the hairs on the back of my neck standing on end.



Exactly. This is something non Reds don't get. Its about revival, simultaneous revival of our collective sensibility and emotional orientation as well as the progression we make on the pitch.
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Lovely stuff.

You echo the sentiments of many educated supporters, Kenny has everything we need right now, but can he still manage?

Like a tortured soul, we needed someone who really loves us. We need someone who knew what we are all about, knew what made us tick, understood the Liverpool feeling. We needed someone who would fight for us and revive us.

Unfortunately, Kenny is the only man for the job, as he helped to create that feeling.

I think that's why a lot of people, including me, loved Rafa - he understood us, the Liverpool way and would do all he could to repay our faith and pride. He was proud to be our manager.
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Can't add anything to that Hinsey, other than simply Bravo mate! Great read and i agree a million, billion percent. ;D
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excellent post, and .........spot on.
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Class Post, spot on with all points  :thumbup
« Last Edit: January 18, 2011, 03:19:42 am by Scorpio68 »

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Kenny's appointment has returned the club to its spiritual home. The fans. As such it is, perversely, the final act in the story of G&H. The first chapter of the new book is still to be written.
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Whisper it boys, its that sense, that urgency and desire and most importantly that unity between player and manager and fan that is somewhere growing, that is somewhere slowly but surely rising in voice and deed. Whatever happens the rest of this season, I’m suddenly once more a Liverpool fan bonded and interested and part of that surge, the swell and song and shout and the hairs on the back of my neck standing on end.

Realistically we’re a romantic bunch. But we’re a right shower of realists too. And if for nothing else, Kenny Dalglish gets my support until the end of the season at the very least, to start to get it right and nurture back to life, the Liverpool that I love.

We haven't been a "right shower of realists" for a while now. The combination of historical success of unmatched proportions, the 20-year monkey on our back, and Chelsea's instant gratification under Roman and Mourinho have if anything served to turn a bunch of us into anything *but* realists. There are those amongst us who cheered the dismantling of Rafa's Spanish Proving Grounds the very year Spain won the World Cup, and sought the type of instant gratification personified by Joe Cole.

I'll admit - and those who know me will bear witness - that the appointment of my first favourite last Friday made me drunk with delirium. I didn't care about the United result - as incredible as that sounds - because Kenny was back, and he orchestrated a massive performance at Trafford on a night's notice.

However, results should send us crashing back down to realism with a thud. While I agree with and enthuse over your brilliant post, I'm starting to wonder if the excitement we've been feeling isn't another manifestation of instant gratification. Two draws and a loss in his first three matches should remind us that we're fighting relegation. Both Blackpool and Everton were right around us in the table when we played them, and we let both off the hook. Our next bunch of matches are against Wolves, Fulham and Stoke - 5 points below us, 3 points below us, and 5 points above us.

We're in hell. And we're not being realistic about it.

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Cracking read :)
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Great read mate.
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That should be nailed to the front door of this site. Brilliant post Hinesy mate.
 
 
 
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Very well written that Hinesy.

I'm not worried about Kenny at all.  A true leader like Kenny will always get people to follow.

The media are only talking about the romantic side of Kenny's return and so are other teams fan's around the country because they like to have the soundbite of comparing us to Newcastle and there fans, when Keegan returned.

That's the way i like it because it means they'll continue to under estimate us and write us off. You could see from Kenny's first media interview that he was able to run round the media and there loaded questions with the skill and grace that he used to run round defenders and leave them bemused and open mouthed.

If he manages the team exactly like he did last time then that's more than good enough for me as he'll if nothing else bring the team back to the ethos and principles that brought us all our success.

Pass and Move and Attack, Seek  and Destroy.

I have a feeling in my soul, blood and guts that we will start coming up the hill again with Kenny leading from the front.
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Best post i've read on here in an awful long time.

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We're in hell. And we're not being realistic about it.
Really good OP, absolutely spot on.

Have quoted El C's last line too though because I think that's also true. Strange emotions when Kenny was appointed. Excitement, joy, relief but also this nagging fear deep down that was pretty much unmentionable. Specifically the fear that if Kenny can't turn it around, then who can? Last chance saloon is a bit drastic, but during the Blackpool game that feeling of fear made itself known. At 2-1 down in the derby it was there again.

But I don't want to be negative in a positive thread. Seen enough to suggest we're turning a corner, but it's fragile. We need that first win under our belt and Kenny will get the confidence flowing. Let's face it, he's steeped in the team spirit of those 80's teams (personified by the pre-match singing in Rome in '84). He was an essential part of it, and he knows how important it is. If he can begin to re-create something similar in the dressing room, then I'm confident we can turn things around and get teams fearing us again rather than the other way round.

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Couldn't agree more. Make us believe again, Kenny.

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Great read Hinesy and very much how many of us feel.

Footy is all about money now if you want success. Currently the team has lacked investment for the obvious reason. (two actually!)  Stoke and Sunderland have had medium investment each summer and so are above us in the table. When we can replace the three massive losses of recent times in Sami, Masc and Alonso then we will see us rise again and get back where we want to be.

The team may not be winning yet but there does seem to be fight now and the type of football we like to watch. The realism that we are in a fight has dawned on most but with the current management set up we should be able to stop the rot.
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.....He was proud to be our manager.

Are you suggesting that the LMA Manager of the Year was not proud to be our manager? Well I says yer wrong! It was like a reward for him, a pat on the back for a job well done, not just at Fulham but also all those years before. Yessir, the man had enormous pride in himself for being our manager.
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Also ... completely agree with the OP. Nicely done.
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Good post that.

Thought about it as Kenny was appointed.

They woke the sleeping giant..

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Nice words from Steven.....

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/867315/steven-gerrard-desperate-for-dalglish-to-stay-on-at-liverpool?cc=5739


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Steven Gerrard says he is determined to ensure Liverpool's form improves so Kenny Dalglish is handed the manager's job on a permanent basis at the end of the season..............

"I want to do everything in my power to ensure that he stays here for a long time, beyond the initial six months," Gerrard told LFC Weekly. "I'd love nothing better when the end of the season comes than for us to be on the back of a good run of results that ensures he gets the job full-time. That's my short-term plan, to give everything I've got and all my energy to try to make that happen.

"I won't lie. When Kenny rang to say he was coming back it was a big lift. I love Kenny as a person and I've certainly enjoyed the first few days we've had working with him. I can see a positive future for Kenny at the club.

"I think he's the perfect person to get everyone moving in the right direction again. He's the talisman at this club. His nickname, the King, says it all really. He's the perfect manager and also person to bring it all together. It's time to re-group and for us all to be pulling in the right direction because this season certainly hasn't been good enough."

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"It means a lot to all of us that Kenny has come to the club. He is a legend for all of us, players and supporters. It was really positive and I thought the way the supporters supported us was unbelievable. I think Dalglish is probably one of the most important former players and managers for Liverpool. You only have to listen to the crowd how important he is, and that is the same for the players.

"I don't want to be disrespectful to Hodgson because he gave everything he could. He just wanted to play a certain way. If you put every manager next to each other, every one has his own training sessions, his own tactics, his own way of playing. He gave everything for the club to do his best and it is just a shame it didn't work out."



Me......I don't think it is fair just to give Kenny the job until the end of the season and I don't believe that FSG have any fixed plans yet other than to see how it goes. It's up to the players and Kenny and the staff now. If things start to improve and we start to play like we can then the over-whelming support from all of the fans will tell FSG what they need to do.

I want to see Kenny here for the next 5 years as manager so FSG need to give him a helping hand by bringing in one or two exciting players in January to lift the whole squad. This will be very expensive in the short term as they will have to pay over the odds to get good players in January but it will be well worth it; the long term plan is to get good players coming up through the ranks.
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A post not to be missed - great read that Hinesy.

Agree with all you say, the cloud seems to have finally lifted from the players - once they start to fully gel as a team we'll be back up that hill...
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