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Everton v Liverpool – First Derby of the Season

With the international break over, and “real” football back on track, the first derby of the season takes on a different slant than the last few years, as one team tries to keep pace with the league leaders, and the other tries to break into the top four. That Everton have a new manager, only makes it more interesting, as the game should be more open, entertaining, and rely more on the execution of skill than the execution of percentages. The old saying is that “form goes out the window in a derby”, but a derby game is as much a battle of managers as it is a battle of players. Martinez versus Rodgers may just be the most interesting battle of the afternoon.

Everton

Everton are flying high so far this season, with only one loss to their name in the league to date. Martinez has already changed their style of play sufficiently to make them a “Martinez” team with very few habits left over from the Moyes regime. They still have a tendency to rely on Baines’ effectiveness on set pieces to either score or engineer a goal. Of their 14 goals this season, 2 have been scored by Baines from free kicks – although both of those came in the same game. In fact, Everton’s 14 goals, while a good rate per game, have come in only 7 games, with 6 of their goals coming in two games (West Ham and Newcastle). They have been shut out 4 times already this season, which suggests that for all their new-found reliance on possession, they can have trouble scoring, and goals may still be a result of randomness than any engineered penetrative play.




Their danger men are Baines, Mirallas, Barkley and Lukaku. Lukaku is well known to Liverpool from his performances for West Brom – but the additions of Toure and Sakho in the summer transfer window means that Liverpool at least have options to deal with his physical threat. He is their main goalscorer, scoring 5 of their 14 goals so far, so stopping him (either directly, or by controlling the supply to him) will go a long way to stopping Everton. Mirallas is a good, quick, skilful winger who would grace many teams, and he has assisted 4 of their goals this season, and is a legitimate threat on the Everton right side. Baines is dangerous from set-pieces only, and that battle between him and Mignolet in the Liverpool goal will be interesting to watch. Barkley is the latest “Next Big Thing” from the Everton production line that has produced exactly one “Next Big Thing” in the last 10 years – testament to Moyes’ preference for bringing in established players from outside rather than trust the youth at his own (former) club. Young players at Everton, though, should have more hope in the future under Martinez. Keeping Barkley under wraps will also go a long way towards stifling the Everton attacking threat.

Liverpool


Liverpool will be approaching the first Merseyside derby of the season with a tantalising goal in mind – if Liverpool win the match and Arsenal lose to Southampton later that day, Liverpool will be top of the league for the weekend, heading into games against Hull, Norwich and West Ham. A chance exists to put some real distance between Liverpool and 5th place over the next few weeks, and the biggest worry is the impact of the International games. Under Rodgers, we haven’t lost a game after an international break, but we have drawn three of them (and won two). The key concerns will be over Suarez, Sturridge and Gerrard, although Coutinho and Henderson should be fresh, while Sakho should be full of confidence after his exploits for France.




Tactically, there is no reason to think that Rodgers will change from the 4-4-2 back to the 3-5-2 against a Martinez team. Even with Lukaku, Everton will try to play the ball through midfield, and if Liverpool can win that battle and keep the ball moving, there shouldn’t be many opportunities for Everton to score – and most chances should be manageable for Mignolet. The biggest question will be over personnel at the back. Cissokho is sure to start at left back, but one has to hope that Enrique is available and close to full fitness, if only because the left side will basically be dominated by Mirallas, and that side needs someone who can cope with him on their own. On the other hand, the Everton left side will leave plenty of space as Baines gets forward on the overlap. A fit Sturridge combining with Henderson and an overlapping Johnson could be a key area in this game, and the more attention paid to this side, the more space will open up for Suarez to weave some magic. Coutinho pulling the strings coming in from the left will also force Barry and McCarthy to play more defensive than normal, and this might subtract from Everton’s attacking effectiveness. It could be a very counter-attacking game from Liverpool, but there’s also an opportunity to try to win the possession battle given that Liverpool are more used to that style than Everton under Martinez (although he has done a good job imprinting his ideas onto them). Ultimately, the game could come down to whether Sturridge and Suarez are feeling the after-effects of the international break, and whether Liverpool can manage Lukaku and their set-piece organisation when Baines is on the ball.

Key Areas


There are three key areas that might have a major impact on the game. The first key area is the space in behind Baines when he gets forward in the Everton attack. If he’s paired with Pienaar on that side, it might create a large gap in the Everton left channel that can be exploited by a quick counterattack. Given that Baines is incredibly inaccurate with his crossing in open play, this means that any attack down his side more than likely will result in a turnover to Liverpool with Everton in vulnerable positions for defensive transition. Hitting this area with quick combination play involving Gerrard, Henderson, Johnson and Sturridge should help create some chances for Liverpool:



The second area is more of a concern for Liverpool. In the corresponding fixture at Goodison last season, Wisdom had a nightmare time against Mirallas who played on the left. Rodgers’ solution on the day was to go to three at the back to give Wisdom some extra cover, and it almost worked a treat if an incorrect offside decision had not been called. Mirallas plays on the right for Martinez, and the major question is whether Rodgers will go to a back three again to cope with Mirallas, or will he trust whoever plays left back to have the pace and power to match Mirallas’ physical gifts:



The third key area is the space around Lukaku and Barkley. Lukaku is a physical force, and it’s important that we at least win the physical battle, especially as there will be a good relationship between Mirallas and Lukaku from their time on the Belgian squad (in fact, Lukaku often drifts to the right to combine with Mirallas). This creates space for Barkley (or Osman, if he plays – although Barkley is probably more dangerous) to make runs through the middle, get long shots, or create something for the left attacking mid (probably Pienaar). Lucas will be vital, first of all, in this area, as he will have to control Barkley and his runs. If we play with a back four, then it’s possible Sakho will get the nod, despite Agger having a good game in the last game. If we go with a back three, then Sakho will have the left side, with Agger probably the central defender. Skrtel has done enough to maintain his place, and his willingness to clear a ball might be an important unintended weapon in turning Everton after they commit numbers forward. Lukaku versus whichever Liverpool defender will be a physical battle, and this would suggest Sakho will play a part. Barkley, though, will require experience, and Lucas will offer that and more. The trio of Mirallas, Lukaku and Barkley will probably be the most dangerous combination Liverpool will have to look out for all afternoon. Get a handle on that, and keep Baines out of direct kick range, and a clean sheet might be possible – a good foundation from which to build towards a victory:




Overall, it should be an open game, but the scoreline might not reflect the quality of play from both teams. Either way, it should be an exciting game of football.


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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 04:01:08 pm »
Bump for a brilliant preview
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 04:08:09 pm »
Cheers PoP, brilliant as always.

The full backs will be so important here - Baines, Coleman and Johnson all have the ability to create chances and score, and whoever plays left back for us as the ability to fall asleep and concede a goal.
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 04:09:50 pm »
Thank you PoP. We'll twat them I have no doubt about it.
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 04:11:43 pm »
Fantastic preview, brilliant read. Looking forward to this one now. Momentum from a win here would be huge

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 04:13:58 pm »
Cheers PoP, brilliant as always.

The full backs will be so important here - Baines, Coleman and Johnson all have the ability to create chances and score, and whoever plays left back for us as the ability to fall asleep and concede a goal.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 04:15:01 pm »
Wot - no dodgey manager pics?

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 04:15:28 pm »
Just wanna beat them. Dont care how...

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 04:16:07 pm »
Also, Sakho v Lukaku... that should be tasty!
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 04:17:44 pm »
Will Gerrard be available to start, though?

If not (perhaps he'll be available to come off the bench, if necessary), how does that potentially change things?

The same goes for Sturridge.

PoP and others, any ideas on possible formations and tactics in the possible absence (at least as starters) of Gerrard and Sturridge?
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013, 04:18:52 pm »
Will Gerrard be available to start, though?

If not (perhaps he'll be available to come off the bench, if necessary), how does that potentially change things?

The same goes for Sturridge.

PoP and others, any ideas on possible formations and tactics in the possible absence (at least as starters) of Gerrard and Sturridge?

I would imagine we'll play a 4-2-3-1, with maybe Lucas-Henderson and Allen in midfield, Coutinho on the left and Moses on the right
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2013, 04:20:39 pm »
Nice review PoP.

I think the game will come down to our right hand side and their left hand side. If we can keep Baines quiet going forward we can exploit him defensively.
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2013, 04:20:47 pm »
I'm getting pretty close to just reading PoP (and a couple others here) when I want to learn something about football.

I think Martinez' plan will be essentially the same as always.  he's not going to go with two deep banks of four and counter-attack with a long ball to the big man, even though that was pretty much the most effective tactic against us last year.  They'll try to knock the ball around some, although both teams will have trouble with this because of the insane pace of these games.

The interesting thing will there be what Rodgers decides is the best way to play against that style.  Does he attempt to starve Everton of the ball with possession and pressing (which we use against weaker teams very successfully) or will we sit back a little and go on the counter-attack?

I think Distin and Jagielka between them have enough pace to counter the counter-attack, and Barry will  be slow but disciplined in front of them.  in the long run I hope we progress to the point where we would go for a dominating possession game against almost all teams but I expect Rodgers will try to produce three-on-three games of Countinho, Suarez, and Sturridge against Barry, Jagielka, and Distin on the counter-attack.

I think that the best ways to win are either with Everton with little possession or loads of it.  An even flowing contest of similar styles we can still win, but gives us less of a chance, in my opinion.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2013, 04:22:48 pm »
Good preview Phase.

I was going to make the comment myself about playing quickly behind Baines on transition, so if we can move the ball quickly into that area, we can a lot of joy and if we can get Suarez and Sturridge pulling Distin and Jagielka out (who tend to man mark too much when I've seen them), penetrating diagonal runs from Henderson on the right, like he did against Fulham for example, will be dangerous.

Pull backs I think can be dangerous against them (as they are against most teams). Runs into the 'red zone' in front of the backline can hurt them because of Barry's mobility issues, so we can profit with well timed runs from Gerrard and Coutinho when the ball is wide on the right.

The other thing I'd be concentrating on defensively (which you have also mentioned, it really was a very good preview!) is stopping Mirallas having space to run behind on the counter attack. Against Aston Villa for example, Barry was often free immediately when Everton won the ball and they continually targeted playing behind the left back for Mirallas making instant runs in depth. That's something we really have to be aware of.

I do think playing counter attack gives us a really good chance to win this game. We need to make sure we don't drop too deep, so push out when we can and try to play a mid block, so that they don't have space in midfield that they might have if we dropped deep and also so we make hard for the players playing off Lukaku to find space. Then play quickly on transition and target, as you said, the space behind Baines. Almost a quintessential Rafa plan of controlling space well and targeting a specific area where the opponent is weaker on the counter
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2013, 04:22:59 pm »
Great preview PoP, once again.

Buzzing for this now the internationals are over with no injuries (play steady Suarez!) to speak of. Still think we'll twat them and go top again, even if it's for 15 minutes! 3-1. Bitters to score first but then we'll bring them down to earth!

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2013, 04:26:47 pm »
What would you'e centre back pairing/triplets be? Do you need the cool head of Agger or just go for the powerhouses against Lukaku?
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2013, 04:42:38 pm »
Perhaps a lop-sided "three" at the back?  What I mean is two central defenders but the left back remaining deep to defend against Mirallas while on the other side Johnson plays more like a wing-back, trying to push Baines and Pienaarback up the pitch.  Basically "defending" our right by pressing and pushing up the pitch and defending our left by luring them on to us.

The idea for this would be to create the gap not on our right, where we probably will see Henderson in space, but on the left where we can expect Coutinho.

This may well be a stupid idea.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2013, 04:44:34 pm »
Perhaps a lop-sided "three" at the back?  What I mean is two central defenders but the left back remaining deep to defend against Mirallas while on the other side Johnson plays more like a wing-back, trying to push Baines and Pienaarback up the pitch.  Basically "defending" our right by pressing and pushing up the pitch and defending our left by luring them on to us.

The idea for this would be to create the gap not on our right, where we probably will see Henderson in space, but on the left where we can expect Coutinho.

This may well be a stupid idea.

It's not a bad one. Agger would have to be the left back though. Which he's done before, under Both Hodgson and Rafa, IIRC. But with Coutinho cutting in, we'd have virtually no width on the left, meaning Coleman could tuck in and double up on Suarez.
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2013, 04:44:48 pm »
Spurs the other week demonstrated perfectly with aggressive pressing high up the pitch how to neutralize Lukaku and make Everton look blunt. Unfortunately we don`t have the personnel to try something like that.

I`m not very confident we can win the midfield battle with the set up we used against Fulham. Lucas and Gerrard will be outnumbered in the middle of the park and personally I`d prefer to have Henderson in front of them rather than playing on the right of 442.

I know these days it`s unthinkable to drop either one of the SAS but to have 2 out and out strikers against the team that proved this season are decent at ball retention is very risky imo.

One thing that bodes well for us is that finally after so many years we won`t be playing against the Everton team trying to compensate for the lack of quality with combativeness thus making the games at Goodison look like war zones rather than two teams trying to outplay each other.

I`d hate it if we focus solely on counter attacks - regardless of how lethal we can be at it with Coutinho and Sturridge - we should focus on setting the team up so we can be competitive in the middle of the park. Something that we didnt achieve at Emirates but hopefully will make it right this time.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2013, 04:51:42 pm »
Shit, I'm nervous about this game. Losing to them would be a massive blow, which would see them on equal points to ourselves.

I'd take a draw. Anything but a loss.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2013, 04:53:09 pm »
Great preview, will be interesting to see who starts of Agger and Sakho!
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2013, 04:54:00 pm »
We'll twat them I have no doubt about it.

Hmm, i'm not quite so convinced. We've struggled every time we've come up against a team that look to press us and deny us the space to dictate proceedings, which is precisely how I expect Everton to set up. How we cope with that pressure will go some way to deciding the outcome of this game. As will - as pointed out by others already - the performance of the full backs on both teams, in particular, whoever plays at left back for us.

If we can handle the pressure and Cissokho/Enrique have a solid game then i'd expect us to get a good result. I'm not convinced on either front though, unfortunately.

The additional factor of course, is our strike force. Either has the ability to win any game on their own. It's not something i'd like us to be relying on though.
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2013, 04:54:38 pm »
Great preview, will be interesting to see who starts of Agger and Sakho!

I'd be happy with Sakho in the middle with either Skrtel or Toure, and Agger playing as a left back.

Enrique and Cissokho are both ticking time-bombs.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2013, 04:54:49 pm »
It's not a bad one. Agger would have to be the left back though. Which he's done before, under Both Hodgson and Rafa, IIRC. But with Coutinho cutting in, we'd have virtually no width on the left, meaning Coleman could tuck in and double up on Suarez.

Why Agger on the left? I would think a quicker defender would be more appropriate.  Perhaps instead of Coleman tucking in Suarez could move out to the left taking Coleman with him and let Countinho run at Jagielka?

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2013, 04:55:08 pm »
I`d hate it if we focus solely on counter attacks - regardless of how lethal we can be at it with Coutinho and Sturridge - we should focus on setting the team up so we can be competitive in the middle of the park. Something that we didnt achieve at Emirates but hopefully will make it right this time.

have to agree.
if we win our battles and have a good gameplan to do so we should be able to get at them plenty.

also I don't think we are a good counter attack side at all.

for some reason sturridge wants to drop deep and be the playmaker which is bizzare as its all about understanding the space around you.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2013, 04:55:19 pm »
Thanks PoP.

Would be very happy just to not lose against these, a win would be boss though. Come on redmen.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2013, 04:56:47 pm »
Great preview PoP!  I really think we are going to show our quality against them and I certainly think a win is on the cards I will venture a guess and say 3-1 for us.  They have 3 quality players in Mirallas, Lukaku, and Baines outside of that they don't have a whole lot to offer. 

If things are going to go wrong for us I actually think it will be on our left if Enrique isn't available, I'm having nightmares about Cissohko vs Mirallas.  Some people are worried about the right side, but I think Henderson's work rate, and Johnson's attacking ability will force Baines to play deeper than he would like and neutralize the threat on that side.

The center backs have to be Agger and Skrtel, they have the experience in this fixture to settle quickly.  For me this isn't the right time to bring Sahko back into the side, as he looks just a little bit shaky at times, and we need to build his confidence up in some of the easier fixtures.  If we go with a back 3 (which I don't think we will) it would be Toure, Skrtel, and Agger for me. 

I would very much like to see us go out and press them high up the field, similar to what Southampton did to us.  They are still in transition learning to play the way Martinez would like and they will be very uncomfortable working the ball up the field under pressure as they lack the quality in the back/midfield to do so against a team pressing intelligently.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2013, 04:57:02 pm »
I would imagine we'll play a 4-2-3-1, with maybe Lucas-Henderson and Allen in midfield, Coutinho on the left and Moses on the right

Interesting. I would have thought Henderson on the left of the '3', with Lucas-Allen in the '2' and Coutinho in the middle of the '3' (Moses on the right of the 3) would be a superior deployment of the same personnel with the same formation. Of course, what the heck do I know.  :wave
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2013, 04:59:40 pm »
Great preview PoP!  I really think we are going to show our quality against them and I certainly think a win is on the cards I will venture a guess and say 3-1 for us.  They have 3 quality players in Mirallas, Lukaku, and Baines outside of that they don't have a whole lot to offer. 

If things are going to go wrong for us I actually think it will be on our left if Enrique isn't available, I'm having nightmares about Cissohko vs Mirallas.  Some people are worried about the right side, but I think Henderson's work rate, and Johnson's attacking ability will force Baines to play deeper than he would like and neutralize the threat on that side.

The center backs have to be Agger and Skrtel, they have the experience in this fixture to settle quickly.  For me this isn't the right time to bring Sahko back into the side, as he looks just a little bit shaky at times, and we need to build his confidence up in some of the easier fixtures.  If we go with a back 3 (which I don't think we will) it would be Toure, Skrtel, and Agger for me. 

I would very much like to see us go out and press them high up the field, similar to what Southampton did to us.  They are still in transition learning to play the way Martinez would like and they will be very uncomfortable working the ball up the field under pressure as they lack the quality in the back/midfield to do so against a team pressing intelligently.

You didn't watch the France-Ukraine second leg of the European WC14 playoff, did you? I don't think Sakho needs any additional confidence, let alone more experience being in the cauldron of a derby, to feature vs Everton, given what he just went through and how well he performed.
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2013, 05:00:30 pm »
They have 3 quality players in Mirallas, Lukaku, and Baines outside of that they don't have a whole lot to offer.

Don't forget Ross Barkley. He's a scouser too, so I expect him to put that extra bit of effort into this game. In fact, I have a funny feeling that he'll be behind anything good they do this weekend.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2013, 05:01:31 pm »
also I don't think we are a good counter attack side at all.for some reason sturridge wants to drop deep and be the playmaker which is bizzare as its all about understanding the space around you.
I was thinking of Newcastle and Fulham games last season. If Coutinho gets the ball on the half way line with his ridiculous ability and Sturridge`s pace that is a great recipe to be successful on the counter which we showed in those two games and didnt get to show this season because Coutinho didnt play much.
I dont see a reason since we are pretty much of a similar quality to Everton to go there sit deep and just play on the counter. Our midfielders need to show determination to close down players and be aggressive and let SAS + Coutinho flourish in this game.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2013, 05:03:56 pm »
Great preview!

And as always, to get yourself a bit heated. Watch this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XjPy8FxCzE

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2013, 05:10:47 pm »
Were going to make a statement in this game!! And it's going to be good!

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2013, 05:11:52 pm »
 nice one pop. Let's hope Martinez isn't reading this  ;)

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2013, 05:19:28 pm »
It's not a bad one. Agger would have to be the left back though. Which he's done before, under Both Hodgson and Rafa, IIRC. But with Coutinho cutting in, we'd have virtually no width on the left, meaning Coleman could tuck in and double up on Suarez.

I'm not basing this on anything other than Suarez being unimpeachably boss- but is it really a bad thing for him to be doubled up on?  Especially if that means Coutinho, who will be somewhere close by, has time on the ball? 
In a zero sum game of defensive positioning, wouldn't more defenders on Suarez be better for our team holistically?  I don't know the percentages, but I'd venture that extra defenders are proportionally less effective on Suarez than virtually anyone else. 
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2013, 05:19:48 pm »
Great preview! Question: If we play three at the back with Sakho-Agger-Skrtel, who would you play in MF? While I thought Lucas was brilliant against WBA - our best performance using the aforementioned formation - his chemistry with Gerrard was poor in the following fixture against Arsenal. Is it a bit disingenuous to play a DM if we go with Sakho-Agger-Skrtel?

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2013, 05:20:42 pm »
Don't forget Ross Barkley. He's a scouser too, so I expect him to put that extra bit of effort into this game. In fact, I have a funny feeling that he'll be behind anything good they do this weekend.
Hopefully he'll have a match like Shelvey did against us... Minus the scoring, of course.

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2013, 05:23:52 pm »
You didn't watch the France-Ukraine second leg of the European WC14 playoff, did you? I don't think Sakho needs any additional confidence, let alone more experience being in the cauldron of a derby, to feature vs Everton, given what he just went through and how well he performed.

Good point I do rate Sakho, and it was a high pressure environment but France were always going to be on the front foot in that game.  It will be a different atmosphere this weekend at Goodison, where Skrtel and Agger both know exactly what to expect.  I love the way he always goes full on into tackles, however in this game which always has plenty of cards flying around I could see that as somewhat of a liability.  I think he lacks that little bit of guile that Agger has that may make the difference when things start to get heated. 

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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2013, 05:29:57 pm »
great reading

i hope sakho plays to counter the physicality of lakaku and i'd swap him for agger only on the basis of the balance  of 1 right footer 1 left footer as the CB's
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Re: Everton v Liverpool Preview (November 23 2013, Goodison Park, 12.45)
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2013, 05:35:45 pm »
Great OP Pop, this is why I ready Redandwhitekop.  Thank you.