Topic: FULL TIME LFC 2 - West Ham 2 (Lallana '4, Payet '27, Antonio '38, Origi '47)

[fingermouse]

All a bit underwhelming. Haven't really been on it since the international break to be honest. Hopefully we can avoid a proper slump and stay top 4. 

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[rushyman]

Took aimless crossing to a new level then

Origi has to do better for me. Not on his toes enough for balls to be played through, pulls out of challenges and is nowhere to be seen in the air

[Anfield Ed]

Also congrats to Boro. We're keeping you up.

As I said last weekend. We wont win until the new year. Another season, same mediocrity, same mental weakness.

[North Red]

If I have to read that we're missing Coutinho one more time...
Let's just give up in advance eh? He's not available and we're not a one man team.!

[Caligula?]

Questions will be asked about Karius, of course they will. It’s inevitable and of course he could have done better, certainly for the first.

But what won’t get talked about, least of all in the media, is what’s happened so far in the second half, which is why Karius was bought and brought in.

I’d urge anyone to watch the half and first count how many touches Karius has, then how often he finds a red shirt, then how much time he spends on the ball. He gets us into attacking positions more quickly, more often and in far less time than the vast majority of other goalkeepers could or would. Judging Karius only on his saving ability is like judging Matip only on his heading ability, or judging Mane only on his skill on the ball.

You’re not going to understand a player, let alone judge them fairly, if you only look at one single aspect of what they do.

He's a goalkeeper. He's paid to save shots, which he's not doing. I don't care how many times he touches it with his feet or plays out from the back, means fuck all if you're not doing the first thing you should be doing.

[lessthanmatt]

Firmino was horrible by the way. So ponderous in possession and wasteful with efforts. He slowed the game down so much when he had it. When Firmino is bad he is very bad

[Red-Soldier]

Crap result!

That's two in a row now, lets not make it three.

[Motty]

We were always going to have a little blip at some stage, all teams do.

Just disappointing that we give goals away for nearly every chance created against us.

[Arcadian]

Questions will be asked about Karius, of course they will. It’s inevitable and of course he could have done better, certainly for the first.

But what won’t get talked about, least of all in the media, is what’s happened so far in the second half, which is why Karius was bought and brought in.

I’d urge anyone to watch the half and first count how many touches Karius has, then how often he finds a red shirt, then how much time he spends on the ball. He gets us into attacking positions more quickly, more often and in far less time than the vast majority of other goalkeepers could or would. Judging Karius only on his saving ability is like judging Matip only on his heading ability, or judging Mane only on his skill on the ball.

You’re not going to understand a player, let alone judge them fairly, if you only look at one single aspect of what they do.

Ok. Fair. But for Payet's goal he was woeful no?

[ToneLa]

Took aimless crossing to a new level then

Origi has to do better for me. Not on his toes enough for balls to be played through, pulls out of challenges and is nowhere to be seen in the air

He scored

[S]

Crock of shit that.

Chelsea play below par - Win 3 points.

The mancs even ground out a win.

We can't even beat a really poor West Ham side.

Sadly starting to show the mental weakness from last season again.

That's what's most frustrating. I could accept dropping points to better teams, but we're gifting them to inferior ones through sheer mental collapse. One point to show from two matches we were in control of.

[sms1986]

Also, 6 points off the top now.

And City are seven points off the top, but I bet their fans won't be worrying just yet.

[justsean]

Again we scored, again conceding daft goals cost us.

Also, why even have subs if we aren't going to use them? If we don't trust the young lads why even bring them? Would a Woodburn or Ejaria really offer nothing? Less than a gassed anonymous Firmino?

Seriously frustrating.

Is that not a bit fucking obvious mate? You need to have a bench. And there's nobody to bring apart from the youngsters.

[Butcher Knife Roberto]

Why no subs? Firmino was a passenger for that second half.

Strange lack of courage from the bench. Disappointing from Klopp.

Sticking Klavan on was a decent shout, looked absolutely solid in the second half. I'd give the fella a run of games now.

[pyroparty]

Also congrats to Boro. We're keeping you up.

As I said last weekend. We wont win until the new year. Another season, same mediocrity, same mental weakness.

Go back to redcafe you whopper

[sonny crockett]

City and Liverpool's choice in goalkeepers handing the League to Chelsea this season.

We're good enough for top four but we should be comfortably qualifying for the CL.

[plasterered]

I'm not sure about the comfortable top 4........ even with Klopp we still show the same weaknesses and there is still something missing from us!!!!!

players. klopp is squeezing every drop from this team there will be ups and downs

[Harris96]

Who would you have brought on that you believe would have made a difference

Moreno for firmino, no doubt

There right back was there for the taking all match, that was much evident in first 5 mins. We'd have had someone running at him other than a knackered milner (played well but only out ball for 90 mins)

Or even woodburn, have another goal threat rather than pumping balls into origi for the last 10 mins

[nutmeg94]

Missing Coutinho. Breaking down teams that park the bus, even if the teams are dross, isn't easy. It takes inspiration and we're missing our main source of it

[thelinnen]

Well I said that we weren't going to win the league after the Bournemouth match and today just confirmed it.

We're good enough for top 4 but the squad isn't strong enough to win the league. If Karius is still looking uncertain at the end of the season we might have a problem but I think it's unfair to write him off now.

[Fruity]

disappointing but it almost felt like a game we might end up losing. sometimes we lack that early low ball into the box instead of players taking a touch and lofting it in.

I thought Mane looked our only real threat towards the end. Firmino was quiet, lallana maybe not quite up to speed and there wasn't a great deal of service for Origi. Not sure randolph made a save apart from Henderson's shot. It's a lot of huff and puff really.

The thing is without the sloppy defending we win that 2-1. We need to sort that out

[S]

How many of those little dinks did we just chip into Randolph's hands??

That was infuriating.

[kennedy81]

If I have to read that we're missing Coutinho one more time...
Let's just give up in advance eh? He's not available and we're not a one man team.!

Right yeah, maybe we should just sell him then.

[Upinsmoke]

Really frustrated, decision making was poor today, crossing was poor.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Questions will be asked about Karius, of course they will. It’s inevitable and of course he could have done better, certainly for the first.

But what won’t get talked about, least of all in the media, is what’s happened so far in the second half, which is why Karius was bought and brought in.

I’d urge anyone to watch the half and first count how many touches Karius has, then how often he finds a red shirt, then how much time he spends on the ball. He gets us into attacking positions more quickly, more often and in far less time than the vast majority of other goalkeepers could or would. Judging Karius only on his saving ability is like judging Matip only on his heading ability, or judging Mane only on his skill on the ball.

You’re not going to understand a player, let alone judge them fairly, if you only look at one single aspect of what they do.

Lets put Lucas in goal then. I reckon he'll recycle the ball even qiucker.

[TheShanklyGates]

What's happened to the blistering intensity we had a month ago?

I want to post something mildly positive about Karius but just can't. He has, quite simply cost us there.

1 win in 4 since the international break. Fuck knows what has gone wrong since then.

[Johns_Barn]

Yes, we are. I dread to think what happens when Mane goes as well.

Matip goes, too.

[TheCunningScorpion]

Questions will be asked about Karius, of course they will. It’s inevitable and of course he could have done better, certainly for the first.

But what won’t get talked about, least of all in the media, is what’s happened so far in the second half, which is why Karius was bought and brought in.

I’d urge anyone to watch the half and first count how many touches Karius has, then how often he finds a red shirt, then how much time he spends on the ball. He gets us into attacking positions more quickly, more often and in far less time than the vast majority of other goalkeepers could or would. Judging Karius only on his saving ability is like judging Matip only on his heading ability, or judging Mane only on his skill on the ball.

You’re not going to understand a player, let alone judge them fairly, if you only look at one single aspect of what they do.

I couldn't care less about how many successful passes he has if he can't save the ball! That after all is his ultimate job and he has made shocking errors in the last 2 matches which could cost us by the end of the season. If you only judge a goalkeeper by their ability to pass we may as well play an outfielder in goal!

[Ski]

We're just as good as Arsenal and Chelsea when we're at best. We're just not at our best as often as they are. Arsenal beat Bournemouth and West Ham reasonably comfortably the week before we played them yet we've got 1 point to show from the same games.

[kingz]

Our performance was fine. We score goals, create chances.. 3 golas last week then 2 goals today,  should be enough to win but we have a model playing as a goalkeeper it's crazy how he kept his place after last week.

[Red-Soldier]

Our squad depth is being shown up for what it is, not as deep as we would like.

We've got some key players out and it's showing.

[vinothmct]

I said it after counting I got injured ..

We need to adapt .. We need to realise how to grind out wins .. we won't be scoring at every attack like we did .. We can't score three goals to win every game .. Two goals is enough to win a game but we didn't win .. because our Defense is shit ..

Title gone unless we put a 10 game winning run and I don't see that happening . By end of January we will be fighting for Top4 place.. I hope we put a substantial gap from 5th placed team

[sms1986]

Yes, we are. I dread to think what happens when Mane goes as well.

Klopp will have been preparing for that, he'll most likely have some idea of how to replace Mane and his brilliance.

[Kekule]

Ah, poo. Bit of a sticky patch, still better to get it out of the way now than in May. (Assuming it doesn't continue into Christmas)

Look for the positives, in terms of Champions League qualification, which does represent decent progress let's not forget, it's a point in a weekend when Manchester City and Tottenham got 0.

[Gili Gulu]

Lazy performance. Constantly lacked concentration at critical points. Never got to grips with the midfield or felt we needed to for some reason. If you let the opposition pass the ball around like we did after the first goal, they start getting confident and cut the mistakes out that pressing gives you, and allows the defence to settle. Disturbing lack of urgency when we first get the ball, with five or six sideways passes until someone shows for a forward pass.

[rushyman]

He scored

So all the rest can be forgiven

Scored last week but was the cause of 3-2 and 3-3

[lessthanmatt]

Sticking Klavan on was a decent shout, looked absolutely solid in the second half. I'd give the fella a run of games now.

If it had been Klavan-Lovren instead of Lucas-Lovren last week we might have held on. Who knows... he was very good today and is by trade a defender

[CallumLFC]

Hard to imagine we can win the league with a keeper like Karius.

We have to reevaluate our aims for the season, now that he's shown to be quite costly. If we can finish in the top 4 and around 6-9 points off the top, i will take that. Then we can look to bolster our weak spots in the summer.

Small steps.

Remember we've finished 8th and 7th in the last two seasons.

[TheBigRedFatPanda]

Last year everytime we went on a good run we seemed to lose momentum through individual defensive errors. This patch right now is just reminiscent of our poor form last year. Need to get out of it quickly as we can easily slid out of the top 4. We have a paper thin defense so winning the league this year was always going to be too big a leap. At least expectations are now going to come back down to earth! Need some big games to get our players fired up again!

[Anfield Ed]

Go back to redcafe you whopper

Prove me wrong then - show me where we have shown strong mental capability.