Topic: FULL TIME Bournemouth 4 vs Liverpool 3

[KingKolo]

3-0 or 4-1 and we don't have this thread going today.

Well, obviously.

The problem is being 3-1 up with 15 minutes to go and being prone to counter attacks. We should be the ones counter attacking. Not vice versa.

Exactly.

[jambutty]

It was Southampton and Mane's hat trick all over again. Three points literally slipping through our fingers, lost heads, panic and 75 minutes of hard work and decent play wasted.

Clearly we don't travel down South well.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

slip sliding away

[Durlmints]

Obviously this is not a 100% rule but I think we arebetter off just getting another ... 3-0 or 4-1 and we don't have this thread going today.

We scored 3 goals away from home.

The problem arises from conceding 4 in one half.

[Billy The Kid]

But to be 2-0 up, and then 3-1 up in a match, and still end up losing it, shows there's something mentally that needs sorting too, not just getting players fit again.

With all due respect Paul, I don't think yesterday's defeat has anything to do with mental frailties. You're over analyzing things waaayyy too much. If we had a track record of pissing leads away regularly then you'd probably have a point. But we don't. So I don't think there's anything "mental that needs sorting". Lets not start inventing problems to concern ourselves with just because we had a bad 25 minute spell in one game of football

Football can kick you right in the bollox at times. It happens to every team every now and then. Yesterday just happened to be one of those days for us. We can muse and theorize about the causes of the result until the cows come home, but it's all moot IMO. This one is pretty simple. We fucked up. That's it. It's not the first time and it wont be the last. I'm pretty sure we'll get it out of our system by leathering West Ham and on we'll roll again.

[gatcliffe]

Not picking on the guy why was the Karius thread closed ?

[newterp]

Not picking on the guy why was the Karius thread closed ?

Guessing to prevent mayhem...but this quote was interesting:

"Still ecstatic from his side's incredible comeback win against Liverpool, Bournemouth defender Steve Cook has admitted the Cherries were told to target Loris Karius."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4001794/Liverpool-weak-link-goalkeeper-Loris-Karius-targeted-Bournemouth-says-Cherries-star-Steve-Cook.html

[gatcliffe]

Guessing to prevent mayhem...but this quote was interesting:

"Still ecstatic from his side's incredible comeback win against Liverpool, Bournemouth defender Steve Cook has admitted the Cherries were told to target Loris Karius."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4001794/Liverpool-weak-link-goalkeeper-Loris-Karius-targeted-Bournemouth-says-Cherries-star-Steve-Cook.html

Thanks for that.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Guessing to prevent mayhem...but this quote was interesting:

"Still ecstatic from his side's incredible comeback win against Liverpool, Bournemouth defender Steve Cook has admitted the Cherries were told to target Loris Karius."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4001794/Liverpool-weak-link-goalkeeper-Loris-Karius-targeted-Bournemouth-says-Cherries-star-Steve-Cook.html

Any other links, or can you copy and paste the article. I can't click on a mail link.

[rawcusk8]

We lose our first game since Burnely and everyone wants some sort of change. All of a sudden Hendo shouldnt be deepest midfielder, Lucas is a terrible third choice CB, Klopp should bring back Sakho (some calls,not everyone) Can is slow on the ball, slow like Mertersacker or was the worst player out there yesterday. I think as a team there is alot to work on but we were without 3 regular starters and we twice had a two goal lead, it was a match we should have won, some very fine margins in there. We lost and i get the frustration but tinkering formations and personnel may be going too far. There is room for improvement but no need for a over reaction is my point. I was questioning our mental strength but on reflection it was an over reaction from me. 24 games to go and plenty of more twists to come, just got to hope the lads can learn from this, put it behind them and go on another run. Cheer up boys and girls Klopp will fix it 

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Cheer up boys and girls Klopp will fix it 

After he's kicked some arses.

[bodhisattva]

I think everyone knows we don't deal with balls into the box well, Matip has helped with that problem a lot but the secret to us defending well is using attack as a form
of defence and not letting teams near our area. In the first half Bournemouth couldn't live with our pressing and while we weren't great we led 2-0 and they just
couldn't get anything going offensively, they were working so hard just to stop us and really had very little attacking threat.

Then it looked like we sat off a bit and invited them into our third which is the last thing you want (especially with Matip missing) the sort of defensive choas we saw
in the 2nd half is not new and it results in us easing off the pressure and letting teams attack us more which we just cannot do.

I don't understand why we took our foot off the gas the way we did, Bournemouth were struggling just to live with us and they would have tired if we had maintained that
intensity for 15-20 minutes into the 2nd half. I hope this is something Klopp sees too because if we play our game for 65-70 min teams are going to be exhausted and then
you can save some energy at the end of the game and hopefully get a few more goals.

The best way we defend is by being aggressive in the press and being aggressive in the way we win the ball back either from the front or the CB winning back on the half
way line, when we play in that style a team like Bournemouth will struggle to get into our final third let alone score 4 goals in 45 min.

As Klopp said afterwards though you often learn more in a loss than you do from winning a bunch of games in a row and I suspect that will be the case this time.

[Dougle]

The problem is being 3-1 up with 15 minutes to go and being prone to counter attacks. We should be the ones counter attacking. Not vice versa.

Well I think we let the cat out of the bag in the first half myself. The second half we never really got a hold of it. They had hope and a plan by then.
When we were good yesterday it's when we penned them in, starved them of rhythm and comfortable possession.They were fecked until after we scored our second goal yesterday. Nothing doing at all. Then as soon as we score our second (from what I saw) suddenly we relaxed a bit and hey ... they started to play ball ... Why stop doing it ?
Why play on the counter if what you are doing is comfortably winning a game? We had them baffled and bamboozled and we gave them the time and space to play their way into the game. I get why it happens but perhaps this is a point we will get to again in the season and it will be interesting to see if we let it slide the same way.
Not gonna labour the point here cos no-one set out for that to happen and it's dead easy for me, post game, to come up with all the theories in the world. It will hopefully be another "Burnley" moment for us.
I did enjoy that first 25 mins a lot.

[KingKolo]

Not picking on the guy why was the Karius thread closed ?

Yeah, I noticed that.
It's a bit shit that we can't discuss a player after they've had a bad game.

[killer-heels]

Are there any goalkeeper experts out there regarding Karius? Making saves seems a problem and he almost punch the ball into the roof of the net. I dont understand why he saved it like that. Does he have some sort of technique issue?

[ToneLa]

This forum ain't so bad compared to some others
There is no logic in throwing out the whole team after one loss, as it suggests our wins were nothing

A loss in which we score three is not that bad
We have a manager who deals with reality ruthlessly
Sometimes even the best teams make mistakes.

And sometimes a little failure breeds the hunger for success. Let's show that now.

A harsh lesson to not drop our heads. Hopefully a very instructive one.

[alonsoisared]

Still fuming at the lot of them, manager included, today. Points get dropped throughout the season, there is no getting away from that, but you cant afford to drop many and fucking up so badly in those circumstances is unforgivable. That wasnt a "bad day in the office", a bad day in the office is just having one of those days where passes go astray, where you miss good chances, you cant stop hitting the post, the opposition fluke a 30 yard deflection with their only shot, their keeper plays out of his skin or you get a bit of misfortune with the ref. Yesterday was none of that it was pure incompetence, negligence and recklessness, getting into a commanding position in a game and absolutely throwing it away. Like everyone else we will have actual bad days at the office ahead but now we havw less points that we can afford to drop when they come round. People point to the Hull 13/14 game and how we bounced back by going on a wild run; but we didnt win the league. We have now given Chelsea four points on us and a 12 game winning run later and we could very well still be playing catch up. So yes, youll always drop points, but we have made life a lot more difficult for ourselves from here on in.

That one really hurt but of course we aren't out of the running for anything and its now all about how we bounce back. I hope to god that its the last of the capitulations that the rest of the country would now regard as typical Liverpool and that finally a lesson will be learnt from it. Its a tough few weeks ahead and if we can get to the end of the month back within touching distance then we will still be well set. Desperate for the next game to come along now to put that absolute fucking fiasco behind us.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Exactly this.

[Buck Pete]

Are there any goalkeeper experts out there regarding Karius? Making saves seems a problem

Yeah but he's good with his feet!!

[bodhisattva]

Well I think we let the cat out of the bag in the first half myself. The second half we never really got a hold of it. They had hope and a plan by then.
When we were good yesterday it's when we penned them in, starved them of rhythm and comfortable possession.They were fecked until after we scored our second goal yesterday. Nothing doing at all. Then as soon as we score our second (from what I saw) suddenly we relaxed a bit and hey ... they started to play ball ... Why stop doing it ?
Why play on the counter if what you are doing is comfortably winning a game? We had them baffled and bamboozled and we gave them the time and space to play their way into the game. I get why it happens but perhaps this is a point we will get to again in the season and it will be interesting to see if we let it slide the same way.
Not gonna labour the point here cos no-one set out for that to happen and it's dead easy for me, post game, to come up with all the theories in the world. It will hopefully be another "Burnley" moment for us.
I did enjoy that first 25 mins a lot.

Agree, I don't think this is a counter attacking team especially defensively minus Matip do we really want to invite teams onto us and hit them on the break?
In the 1st half Bournemouth couldn't even get into our half let alone think about scoring a goal, even if our play in that first half wasn't great we still led 2-0
and were dominating an opponent that didn't know what to do when they had the ball because we won it back so quickly.

If we had maintained the same intensity for 65-70 minutes we probably would have scored a few more goals and Bournemouth would have been exhausted. Instead we
sat back a bit and gave them the space as well as committing silly fouls that let them hit long balls into our area and that was all the encouragement they needed.
This team needs to defend on the front foot as much as possible and play the game in the opposition half as much as possible because that is where we are strong.

[killer-heels]

Yeah but he's good with his feet!!

Point was that for their second he got down to it quickly so clearly agility isnt a problem. Why is the ball going past him when he gets down there. Also he punched the ball almost into the roof of the net. Is it just a concentration thing?
 
My worry with him is that whilst his distribution and ability on the ball is very good, all the other aspects of a goalkeeper seems to be lacking. We could easily excuse the aerial ability but his saves, handling and punching isnt great. I am not Mignolet's biggest fan but he saves the 4th one.

[red_lfc_costello]

Not going to read the last X amount of doom and gloom but I haven't seen Origi mentioned much. I like the lad, but he gave the ball away for the 2nd goal (I know other players could have stopped the attack but it started with Origi losing the ball just outside their box). Then the 3rd goal he waited for the ball to come down, didn't make much attempt at winning it, lost it and they went on to score. I don't remember seeing him win a ball anywhere on the pitch after that, the defender got to everything first.

As I said I like him, but I have seen flashes of brilliance but also times where he doesn't seem to be aware of what's going on around him. Also, would love to see a table of players who have been caught offside the most as I think he'd be right up there!

[ThePeetmix]

Not going to read the last X amount of doom and gloom but I haven't seen Origi mentioned much. I like the lad, but he gave the ball away for the 2nd goal (I know other players could have stopped the attack but it started with Origi losing the ball just outside their box). Then the 3rd goal he waited for the ball to come down, didn't make much attempt at winning it, lost it and they went on to score. I don't remember seeing him win a ball anywhere on the pitch after that, the defender got to everything first.

As I said I like him, but I have seen flashes of brilliance but also times where he doesn't seem to be aware of what's going on around him. Also, would love to see a table of players who have been caught offside the most as I think he'd be right up there!

How many times did he get caught offside yesterday? Don't seem to remember too many.

Edit: Caught offside just once yesterday.

[jillcwhomever]

I think we underestimated out opposition yesterday pure and simple.  The whole team and management is to blame for this and it happens to the best teams often and in all sports.  It's human nature to underestimate perceived weaker opponents and to rest on your laurels.

2-1 at Stamford Bridge earlier in the season and we totally shut them out because we gave Chelsea the respect they deserved as a very dangerous teams.  We just didn't see that coming yesterday and I bet we will never underestimate Bournemouth ever again.

We all saw what happened after the horror show at Burnley.  We went on a huge unbeaten run which obviously ended yesterday.  Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if LFC go on to do that again.

As usual our manager was dignified and honest in his post match interview.  Not quite sure if he was quite so forgiving in the dressing room like.

You could be right about that, yet the ironic thing is, before the game Klopp was full of praise for Bournemouth and how they play. I remember so many people saying before the game how lucky Arsenal had been the week before, to get any points there. We really should have been aware of that.

Hopefully we will take it out on West Ham next time out.

[newterp]

Any other links, or can you copy and paste the article. I can't click on a mail link.

Liverpool 'weak link' goalkeeper Loris Karius was targeted by Bournemouth, says Steve Cook

 
By Danny Gallagher For Mailonline

Published: 09:30 EST, 5 December 2016 | Updated: 11:45 EST, 5 December 2016

Still ecstatic from his side's incredible comeback win against Liverpool, Bournemouth defender Steve Cook has admitted they were told to target Loris Karius.

The German goalkeeper has come under intensive fire since the clash, in which his costly error in the dying moments saw Bournemouth snatch victory.

Karius struggled to deal with the aggression of the oncoming Cherries and squandered a loose ball to Nathan Ake who finished.
Loris Karius had a miserable afternoon against Bournemouth as Liverpool slipped to defeat

Loris Karius had a miserable afternoon against Bournemouth as Liverpool slipped to defeat

But Karius' struggles were no coincidence says Cook who, along with his Bournemouth team-mates, was under specific instructions to press the young German at every opportunity.


When asked on TalkSport radio if the Cherries were looking to single out the struggling Karius, Cook said: 'I've got to be honest we did, we felt that he was under a lot of pressure, obviously playing for Liverpool you've got to be a very strong character.

'But we did target him, we tried to press him as much and get as many shots off as possible.
Steve Cook (centre) admits the Cherries were under specific instruction to target Karius

Steve Cook (centre) admits the Cherries were under specific instruction to target Karius
Cook found himself on the score sheet as Bournemouth pulled off a memorable comeback

Cook found himself on the score sheet as Bournemouth pulled off a memorable comeback

'We did target him as a weakness in the Liverpool side,' the defender added.

The 23-year-old stopper has been subject of much disagreement since his move to the red half of Merseyside, with many fans and pundits still sceptical as to whether the German is an improvement on Simon Mignolet.

Karius was brought in during the summer after manager Jurgen Klopp decided to raid his former club Mainz.

The Liverpool boss was quick to leap to the defence of Karius following the defeat, despite the Reds surrendering what appeared to be a certain three points.
Karius is yet to win over large portions of the Liverpool support with his erratic displays

Karius is yet to win over large portions of the Liverpool support with his erratic displays
But manager Jurgen Klopp is keeping faith with the 23-year-old goalkeeper

But manager Jurgen Klopp is keeping faith with the 23-year-old goalkeeper

'No concern, no problem. If you make mistakes you get criticised. That’s what happens in life,' Klopp told Sky Sports in the aftermath of the tie.

'The last goal was not easy for a goalkeeper. It says nothing about him as a goalkeeper. It happens.'

The young goalkeeper, highly regarded in his native Germany, was voted one of the best in the Bundesliga following the 2015-16 second, coming second only to Bayern Munich icon Manuel Neuer.

[BazC]

Hope it's like the 3-1 against Hull, which gave everyone a boot up the arse for the Christmas period and 2nd half of the season. Although a lot more injuries and players out than back then. Coutinho to come back and score 10 goals in a month in Jan anyone?!

[Mumm-Ra]

Point was that for their second he got down to it quickly so clearly agility isnt a problem. Why is the ball going past him when he gets down there. Also he punched the ball almost into the roof of the net. Is it just a concentration thing?
 
My worry with him is that whilst his distribution and ability on the ball is very good, all the other aspects of a goalkeeper seems to be lacking. We could easily excuse the aerial ability but his saves, handling and punching isnt great. I am not Mignolet's biggest fan but he saves the 4th one.

Why do people even say that still? He seems terrible with the ball at his feet

[FlashGordon]

Why do people even say that still? He seems terrible with the ball at his feet

That's funny because I think he seems very assured with the ball at his feet. He's a young goalkeeper with lots of potential, there's a fella just down the road who struggled in his first season in England and went on to become the best goalkeeper in the league. It amazes me that people don't give new signings in a new league a bit of time to settle down and show their worth.

[Crosby Nick]

When did we last lose 4-3 anyway? Was it Leeds in 00/01? Normally it's us on the right side of the crazy shorelines and even at 3-3 I was more than half expecting us to go on and find a way to win it. Losing felt like a kick in the bollocks,  like when Kevin Lisbie scored his hat trick against us, or indeed that Leeds game when we had been 2-0 up and then 3-2 up.

[Kop 81]

How about we don't get ahead of ourselves when we win a football match (let's leave out the title talk, eh?) and at the same time, let's not lose our sh*t when we lose a game.

It's football.  Sometimes you lose a game.  We're doing far better than any of us would have predicted back in August.

We haven't got the squad to win the league this season in my honest opinion.  We have the manager and coaching staff but not enough quality.  It will happen in time, be patient.

[Garnier]

it's the green shirt. We've lost every official game when wearing it 

[newterp]

How about we don't get ahead of ourselves when we win a football match (let's leave out the title talk, eh?) and at the same time, let's not lose our sh*t when we lose a game.

It's football.  Sometimes you lose a game.  We're doing far better than any of us would have predicted back in August.

We haven't got the squad to win the league this season in my honest opinion.  We have the manager and coaching staff but not enough quality.  It will happen in time, be patient.

I think it's the manner of the loss that is screwing with people (we won a game against Norwich in this fashion last year, and even to some degree against Dortmund).

[FlashGordon]

I think it's the manner of the loss that is screwing with people (we won a game against Norwich in this fashion last year, and even to some degree against Dortmund).

So that should just confirm to people that it does happen in football and it's not an end of the world scenario like some were portraying.

[Solomon Grundy]

it's the green shirt. We've lost every official game when wearing it 

 We beat Palace 4-2 wearing that shirt.

[RedmenPhil]

What is it playing on the south coast?

The Team needs to learn to shut shop. Lost the ball high up the pitch. Its easy to pick individuals out but the team gave it away when we were looking for a fourth.

Lost opportunity, perhaps the pressure got to some of the lads of scoring more goals because our rivals did well on the weekend. 5-0, 5-1, 3-1.

Bournemouth got their tactics spot on and kicked us where it hurts.

3 points is all that mattered. Ended up with none. 

Lesson learned. Look forward to West Ham.. wont be easy because they'll be fired up after watching us self implode.

YNWA

[Hazell]

Karius is yet to win over large portions of the Liverpool support with his erratic displays

But manager Jurgen Klopp is keeping faith with the 23-year-old goalkeeper

'No concern, no problem. If you make mistakes you get criticised. That’s what happens in life,' Klopp told Sky Sports in the aftermath of the tie.

'The last goal was not easy for a goalkeeper. It says nothing about him as a goalkeeper. It happens.'

The young goalkeeper, highly regarded in his native Germany, was voted one of the best in the Bundesliga following the 2015-16 second, coming second only to Bayern Munich icon Manuel Neuer.

Nice to read those words from Klopp, as much as Karius is getting criticised (and it'll intensify this week and will happen again this season), Klopp's words must be fantastic to hear for him.

[Fitzy.]

Not picking on the guy why was the Karius thread closed ?

Presumably because others were picking on him.

[Phil M]

Chelsea will drop points and suffer injuries also. As will Arsenal and every one else around us.

We have been brilliant all season and yesterday was a huge fuck up but the players will know exactly what they have to do.

The manager and his staff won't let them rest and hopefully with key players back to full fitness we start our next long unbeaten run next weekend.

Decent draw in the cup. Only 4 pts off the top of the table and some fantastic goals yesterday to remember before it all went Pete Tong.

It's a cliche but onwards and upwards Redmen!

[Hazell]

Chelsea will drop points and suffer injuries also. As will Arsenal and every one else around us.

We have been brilliant all season and yesterday was a huge fuck up but the players will know exactly what they have to do.

The manager and his staff won't let them rest and hopefully with key players back to full fitness we start our next long unbeaten run next weekend.

Decent draw in the cup. Only 4 pts off the top of the table and some fantastic goals yesterday to remember before it all went Pete Tong.

It's a cliche but onwards and upwards Redmen!

I agree with every word of this post, except for the use of the term 'Pete Tong'

[Garnier]

We beat Palace 4-2 wearing that shirt.

Honest mistake