Author Topic: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership (Read 346981 times)

Oddball · « **on:** January 16, 2011, 04:57:37 pm »

When we bought these two, and I saw them play, I though this was the central defencive partnership of the future, and for years to come, now......

Wether the story of Agger turning up pissed to Hodgsons 2nd day in charge is true or not, I cant help but think the following;

They both have to go. Why Oddball, well i'll tell you?

Agger, as much as I love him, and think him and Skrtel, could have been the next Hansen and Lawrenson, the injury problems are really starting to concern me. When I saw The Greek coming on at half time today, I thought, and hands up how many others thought the same, Yes, Skrtels going off! And thats the other case in point. What the hell has happened to Martin? He is bullied, in the air, so easily that its getting embarrassing. Dont agree with me? Go check out the last few games. Look at who gets beat for goals to occur.

So we have a majority injury prone centre back, and one who seemingly cant win a header for toffee (no pun intended).

Due to being made unemployed, I had to turn off my ESPN and the Liverpool channel that came with it, so I cant comment, and have to ask the question. Are Wilson et al ready to step up, or do you thing ANY transfer priority is a centre back or two?

ScouserAtHeart · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:00:16 pm »

Wilson and Ayala are for the future, probably 2-3 seasons from now. Need a couple of CBs to cover till then.

tommy LFC · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:03:59 pm »

I think Daniel Agger is quality. You can't get rid of someone because they are injury prone, lets give the new docs a chance to sort him out. Did you notice that our defence went to shite when he went off?

Play the no nonsense Martin Kelly alongside him and there's your future.

Legendary · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:06:45 pm »

Quote from: tommyLFC on January 16, 2011, 05:03:59 pm

I think Daniel Agger is quality. You can't get rid of someone because they are injury prone, lets give the new docs a chance to sort him out. Did you notice that our defence went to shite when he went off?

Play the no nonsense Martin Kelly alongside him and there's your future.

We've given the doctors 5 months to sort him out. Who knows whether his "calcification" was legitimate or not, the but remains that he was out for 2-3 months and back for a few games and injured again.

Wilson and Kelly are the future and the way this season and our defence is heading, I don't see why they shouldn't have a chance now.

Beninger · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:09:00 pm »

Skrtel needs composure, and a bit of time practicing set piece defending. Agger is class, but he hardly ever plays.

B.Red · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:09:29 pm »

Quote from: oddball2514 on January 16, 2011, 04:57:37 pm

When we bought these two, and I saw them play, I though this was the central defencive partnership of the future, and for years to come, now......

Wether the story of Agger turning up pissed to Hodgsons 2nd day in charge is true or not, I cant help but think the following;

They both have to go. Why Oddball, well i'll tell you?

Agger, as much as I love him, and think him and Skrtel, could have been the next Hansen and Lawrenson, the injury problems are really starting to concern me. When I saw The Greek coming on at half time today, I thought, and hands up how many others thought the same, Yes, Skrtels going off! And thats the other case in point. What the hell has happened to Martin? He is bullied, in the air, so easily that its getting embarrassing. Dont agree with me? Go check out the last few games. Look at who gets beat for goals to occur.

So we have a majority injury prone centre back, and one who seemingly cant win a header for toffee (no pun intended).

Due to being made unemployed, I had to turn off my ESPN and the Liverpool channel that came with it, so I cant comment, and have to ask the question. Are Wilson et al ready to step up, or do you thing ANY transfer priority is a centre back or two?

Wilson could do a better job than Skrtel right now. I have patience with Agger. When he's good he's brilliant. Skrtel has never been that.

AnnieRoad(Un)Faithful · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:09:55 pm »

Wilson and Kelly is the future.

Not Ayala.

koppper · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:11:10 pm »

Skrtel unfortunately seems to be cemented to the ground when he is defending these days.

tommy LFC · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:11:29 pm »

Quote from: Legendary on January 16, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

We've given the doctors 5 months to sort him out. Who knows whether his "calcification" was legitimate or not, the but remains that he was out for 2-3 months and back for a few games and injured again.

Wilson and Kelly are the future and the way this season and our defence is heading, I don't see why they shouldn't have a chance now.

Our defence is horribly lacking a leader when Carra is out so it would be a bad idea to take experience out too. Kelly has the potential to be a great player and leader. I am all for blooding him into the centre back role, but it should be done with someone experienced alongside him.

Oddball · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:11:45 pm »

Quote from: tommyLFC on January 16, 2011, 05:03:59 pm

I think Daniel Agger is quality. You can't get rid of someone because they are injury prone, lets give the new docs a chance to sort him out. Did you notice that our defence went to shite when he went off?

Play the no nonsense Martin Kelly alongside him and there's your future.

In my opinion, the centre back partnership is the most important on the pitch. If you have someone who is injury prone, you stop/start the pasrtnership all the time. Look at King and Woodgate. Perennially injured, and therefore cant be realied upon. Dont get me wrong, I rate Agger highly, but its now hitting the stage of where we cant realy on him. Im sure someone has the stats. But how many years has he been with us, and how many games payed in that time!?

redmark · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:11:46 pm »

If Skrtel has a future, it's alongside Agger. Seems to calm him down. Alongside anyone else he goes to pieces. Bizarre.

Agger went off with illness rather than an injury today. If he's out for any length of time later this season though, I'd tend to agree with the OP. We need a regular partnership at the back and that needs Agger to stay fit, or for us to move on to someone who can.

SheffieldRed · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:12:12 pm »

Ayala looked a lanky frightened lightweight when I saw him for pre-season last year. Has he improved drastically or something?

Bob Loblaw · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:12:20 pm »

Well, whatever feelings people have about Skrtel at the moment, he's been a much much much better player for us in the past. Completely fair to say that he's playing as though he's got a concussion at the moment though.

AnnieRoad(Un)Faithful · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:13:28 pm »

And I don't see why Agger is getting stick for today. We were 1-0 up when he went off and looking like the only winners.

His attempted tackle on Taylor-Fletcher on Wednesday was pathetic though.

Oddball · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:14:21 pm »

Quote from: redmark on January 16, 2011, 05:11:46 pm

If Skrtel has a future, it's alongside Agger. Seems to calm him down. Alongside anyone else he goes to pieces. Bizarre.

Agger went off with illness rather than an injury today. If he's out for any length of time later this season though, I'd tend to agree with the OP. We need a regular partnership at the back and that needs Agger to stay fit, or for us to move on to someone who can.

Was he off with a illness? Didnt know that. What was up with him?

kev_goss · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:14:58 pm »

I thought agger was ill and that's why he came off? Totally agree with skirtle though, he hasn't lived up to expectations.

Fordy · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:16:14 pm »

Skrtel is a shocking player for us now and Agger is always injuried plus non of them are leaders.

So this dream partnership is no more and if you want to look at the future then Wilson and Wisdom is the future partnership now.

Phil M · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:16:56 pm »

Anyone got big Sami's number?

scouse29 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:16:59 pm »

Not the prefered option for me but we dont have many options at present. I cant remember the last time i saw Skertel play well. Played a hand in the second goal today and seems to get worse rather than better.

redmark · « **Reply #19 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:17:33 pm »

Quote from: oddball2514 on January 16, 2011, 05:14:21 pm

Was he off with a illness? Didnt know that. What was up with him?

He's had flu all week, I believe.

Samee · « **Reply #20 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:17:49 pm »

Agger should be going nowhere. Nowhere at all. I can't express how fucking against him going I truly am. Skrtel on the other hand is nothing compared to the player we signed and I wouldn't be against selling him in the slightest.

tommy LFC · « **Reply #21 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:17:56 pm »

Of the centre backs, I think Soto should go. I think he's a hero but Wilson and Kelly are being denied chances to play centre back. I honestly don't know about Carragher any more. Keep Agger, get in Subotic or Cahill and let Skrtel decide if he wants to fight for his future.

Anfield Ed · « **Reply #22 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:18:03 pm »

How about Kelly-Agger as our central defence for the rest of the season?

tommy LFC · « **Reply #23 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:19:10 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on January 16, 2011, 05:16:56 pm

Anyone got big Sami's number?

Meireles...

11 friends · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:19:20 pm »

Our biggest problem is that we`ve amassed a body of men whose attributes are only ONE of the following:
a)Those who are actually good at defending, but are poor footballers.
b)Those who know how to play a flat ball out of defence,but have no bite,awareness and positional skills.

Combine this all with heading deficiencies - then you `re asking for trouble.

Oddball · « **Reply #25 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:19:40 pm »

Quote from: redmark on January 16, 2011, 05:17:33 pm

He's had flu all week, I believe.

Ah right, thanks.

AnnieRoad(Un)Faithful · « **Reply #26 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:19:57 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on January 16, 2011, 05:16:56 pm

Anyone got big Sami's number?

Yep...

Beninger · « **Reply #27 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:20:47 pm »

Quote from: redmark on January 16, 2011, 05:17:33 pm

He's had flu all week, I believe.

Glad to hear that...I thought the worst.

Roslagen · « **Reply #28 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:21:01 pm »

Quote from: Edward224 on January 16, 2011, 05:18:03 pm

How about Kelly-Agger as our central defence for the rest of the season?

Well, if we buy a left back, then maybe.

Chakan · « **Reply #29 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:21:51 pm »

Need to replace Skrtel. When is Carra back?

I would love to see Kelly moved into the CB position

Johnnyboy1973 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:22:08 pm »

I'd gladly let all of Carra, Skrtel and Soto go.

We need an aerially dominant centre half to partner Agger. I have no idea if that is Wilson or Ayala.

After watching Kelly today, I don't think aerially dominant would be how I describe him but it's a bit early to tell.

Tough choice.

Oddball · « **Reply #31 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:22:15 pm »

Quote from: Samee on January 16, 2011, 05:17:49 pm

Agger should be going nowhere. Nowhere at all. I can't express how fucking against him going I truly am. Skrtel on the other hand is nothing compared to the player we signed and I wouldn't be against selling him in the slightest.

Samee, I was the same today until he went off with what I thought was yet another injury. Ive been told im wrong. If thats the case, than lets hope his injurys are behind hind him. If there not......back to what Ive said Im afraid.

scoresagain · « **Reply #32 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:23:35 pm »

Thought Skrtel was poor again today, for a big bloke he gets shrugged off the ball FAR too easily.

Elzar · « **Reply #33 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:24:07 pm »

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I just asked Dalglish about Agger's sickness. He said: "I knew he was sick because I went to the toilet after him."

LiverpoolForever · « **Reply #34 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:24:09 pm »

I would try Wilson alongside Agger.The lad is a Scottish international who has played in Old Firm games , so he could handle the pressure.He also has played games in Europe for Rangers which would of give him more experience.Cant be any worse than what we saw today can it?

Eeyore · « **Reply #35 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:24:29 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on January 16, 2011, 05:16:14 pm

Skrtel is a shocking player for us now and Agger is always injuried plus non of them are leaders.

So this dream partnership is no more and if you want to look at the future then Wilson and Wisdom is the future partnership now.

I think the myth about the number of games Agger has missed through injury needs putting to bed once and for all.

This is a list of the number of games in all competitions each player has played in or been on the bench for in the last two completed seasons 08-09 and 09-10.

Jamie Carragher........................109
Pepe Reina................................108
Dirk Kuyt....................................106
Lucas Leiva................................101
Steven Gerrard...........................95
Ryan Babel............................... .92
Daniel Agger...............................84
Martin Skrtel...............................74
Fernando Torres.........................73
Fabio Aurellio..............................65

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #36 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:24:30 pm »

Quote from: Edward224 on January 16, 2011, 05:18:03 pm

How about Kelly-Agger as our central defence for the rest of the season?

I'd like to see that, but we need a LB first.

Although I suspect as soon as Carragher is fit he'll be straight back in.

scoresagain · « **Reply #37 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:24:41 pm »

Quote from: oddball2514 on January 16, 2011, 05:22:15 pm

Samee, I was the same today until he went off with what I thought was yet another injury. Ive been told im wrong. If thats the case, than lets hope his injurys are behind hind him. If there not......back to what Ive said Im afraid.

Kenny said he knew Agger was sick at half time when he went into the toilet after him. He's a class act, when fit.

singaporekopred · « **Reply #38 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:25:03 pm »

Agger can stay. Skrtel, on the other hand can go if there are offers. He was nowhere near the player he was in 2007 and 2008 and some of his defending were really criminal.

scoresagain · « **Reply #39 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:25:35 pm »

Whats happened to Aurelio?! Was he on the bench today?