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Bettison.
« on: November 17, 2016, 09:25:44 am »
Radio Merseyside at 12 o'clock today. Roger Phillips interview.


EDIT - Quoted in the OP for extra visibility.

Our team of Hillsborough researchers have been feeding relevant information to various journalists to ensure that "Sir" Norman Bettison is challenged on the fine detail. Some of the poor sods have actually read the 355 pages in order to highlight the inconsistencies and omissions. It' the omissions that are most telling, and they're best summarised in this piece:

https://neilwilby.com/2016/11/17/stories-untold-a-disaster-of-a-book/

Neil Wilby is a Yorkshire journalist with a long standing interest in SYP and Bettison, and he has been involved with the campaign for justice for a number of years. Please read his piece.
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2016, 10:24:20 am »
Don't think Radio Mersyside should be giving him the air time.

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2016, 10:27:53 am »
Not gonna give him the time of day
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2016, 10:34:02 am »
Hes on Sky news in a moment after this ad break.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2016, 10:52:35 am »
Don't think Radio Mersyside should be giving him the air time.
Don't think for one minute that Phillips will give him an easy ride.
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2016, 10:56:54 am »
What a complete c*nt he is.
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2016, 10:59:09 am »
What a complete c*nt he is.
That is an insult to complete C*nts.

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2016, 12:17:02 pm »
I appreciate why it's here, but the only thread I'd like to see dedicated to that horrible twat would be inside a noose.
I like it.
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2016, 01:21:46 pm »
He was on newsnight last night as well, because he is flogging his book. To be fair Evan Davis laid in to him, showing plenty of exasperation at the twats claims to be guiltless. People like him are the worst, the ones who just cannot simply accept they did something horribly wrong.

Who the hell does he think wants to read his bloody book?
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2016, 01:34:39 pm »
Our team of Hillsborough researchers have been feeding relevant information to various journalists to ensure that "Sir" Norman Bettison is challenged on the fine detail. Some of the poor sods have actually read the 355 pages in order to highlight the inconsistencies and omissions. It' the omissions that are most telling, and they're best summarised in this piece:

https://neilwilby.com/2016/11/17/stories-untold-a-disaster-of-a-book/

Neil Wilby is a Yorkshire journalist with a long standing interest in SYP and Bettison, and he has been involved with the campaign for justice for a number of years. Please read his piece.

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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2016, 01:56:00 pm »
He was on newsnight last night as well, because he is flogging his book. To be fair Evan Davis laid in to him, showing plenty of exasperation at the twats claims to be guiltless. People like him are the worst, the ones who just cannot simply accept they did something horribly wrong.

Who the hell does he think wants to read his bloody book?

Evan Davis made him out to be a complete and utter tosser.

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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2016, 02:09:15 pm »
Refused to watch or listen to any of his interviews. Arsehole! Close down this thread please, he doesn't deserve any consideration.
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2016, 02:12:32 pm »
Refused to watch or listen to any of his interviews. Arsehole! Close down this thread please, he doesn't deserve any consideration.
To be honest, he's owned on the newsnight one.

It just makes him look like the slimy twat he is.

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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2016, 02:16:37 pm »
Refused to watch or listen to any of his interviews. Arsehole! Close down this thread please, he doesn't deserve any consideration.

Personally I am minded to keep the topic open. Not for any consideration of him, but because he is tarting himself around studios, and this topic is providing further dissemination of Neil's impressive demolition of the book.

Definitely avoid his smarmy mug, but as a site we won't fail to challenge his account. If he wants to continue in a futile attempt to launder his reputation, we can continue to drudge up his very murky past. It's not pleasant but it needs to be done.

Our team of Hillsborough researchers have been feeding relevant information to various journalists to ensure that "Sir" Norman Bettison is challenged on the fine detail. Some of the poor sods have actually read the 355 pages in order to highlight the inconsistencies and omissions. It' the omissions that are most telling, and they're best summarised in this piece:

https://neilwilby.com/2016/11/17/stories-untold-a-disaster-of-a-book/

Neil Wilby is a Yorkshire journalist with a long standing interest in SYP and Bettison, and he has been involved with the campaign for justice for a number of years. Please read his piece.

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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2016, 02:37:05 pm »
Wow! What an evil man he is. Just watched the news night interview that is in the link above. Have not seen or heard him in years. I tend to stay out of this
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2016, 02:42:38 pm »
Neil Wilby's piece is excellent - if you're minded to come in here to tell us what a scumbag Bettison is, you're preaching to the converted. Share Neil's piece on social media instead

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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2016, 02:53:11 pm »
I never knew he was writing a book until the other day, and then saw he was up for an interview on Newsnight. There's got to be an issue surely about the timing of this book no?

I then saw many people saying that he shouldn't be given a platform etc. I think that's a very understandable position to take, but I'm remembering those same sentiments being made against the appearance of Nick Griffin on whether or not he should be allowed to answer questions and put forth his views on Question Time. He was totally taken apart in that debate, and shown up to be an utter sham. I actually felt embarrassed for him, which really suprised me - but it was toe curling. He was pushed out of his organisation pretty swiftly afterwards.

I think it's fair to say he was given a more rigourous time on the television than Radio Merseyside - never quite recovering from being shown to lie, or maybe rather, to wilfully escape the details of truth in that opening salvo.

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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2016, 03:40:02 pm »
Giving him the chance to be taken to pieces by proper journalists, rather than a friendly chat, is the way to show the creep up for what he is.

Hopefully his pathetic attempt at self justification comes back to bite him on the arse.

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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2016, 03:41:03 pm »
Neil Wilby's piece is excellent - if you're minded to come in here to tell us what a scumbag Bettison is, you're preaching to the converted. Share Neil's piece on social media instead

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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2016, 04:33:50 pm »
Found the interview on merseyside wasn't challenging at all, almost an infomercial for his self serving view, people new to Hillsborough could gain a good impression of him.
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2016, 04:55:53 pm »
Found the interview on merseyside wasn't challenging at all, almost an infomercial for his self serving view, people new to Hillsborough could gain a good impression of him.

Sad to hear that, I mean if you are going to let him on radio merseyside trying to make money and his twisted views aired he needs to get roasted.

Evan Davis didn't hold back much at all while staying professional and basically tore him apart on newsnight, pretty poor if they didn't do the same. 

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2016, 05:10:55 pm »
Linked it on facebook, the horrible c*nt.

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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2016, 05:54:04 pm »
He was on newsnight last night as well, because he is flogging his book. To be fair Evan Davis laid in to him, showing plenty of exasperation at the twats claims to be guiltless. People like him are the worst, the ones who just cannot simply accept they did something horribly wrong.

Who the hell does he think wants to read his bloody book?
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2016, 06:52:13 pm »
Found the interview on merseyside wasn't challenging at all, almost an infomercial for his self serving view, people new to Hillsborough could gain a good impression of him.

I may be wrong, but I'm recalling Roger Phillips fawning over him on Merseyside when he first became chief Constable here?
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2016, 06:58:43 pm »
Don't think for one minute that Phillips will give him an easy ride.
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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2016, 07:33:01 pm »
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/norman-bettison-appeared-newsnight-roasting-12188558#ICID=Android_EchoNewsApp_AppShare

For those who ain't seen the Newsnight clip & some reaction to it there too.

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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2016, 07:40:08 pm »
I will not be lining the pocket of that slimy liar.
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2016, 07:40:18 pm »
Never heard the interview on Merseyside but caught the end of the phone in...
Some bloke was on who was on the interviewing panel when he applied to
Be chief constable of Merseyside... One of the questions they asked Bettison
In that interview was 'what was your worst experience while being in the police'
Bettison's reply was 'forgetting my hat for a parade'

Bettison also claims he only wrote the book so people could hear his side... I take
It he won't be taking any of the money from its sales then ?

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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2016, 07:45:19 pm »
Seems I was wrong.

Thought Roger was a disgrace today to be honest.

Clearly not intelligent enough and hadn't put anything like the research he should've done to challenge Bettison and ultimately ended in giving him an extremely easy ride.

Even with the callers after it seemed as though Bettison had won him over and he was actually sticking up for him. I'm all for somebody in his position staying impartial and playing devil's advocate but it went beyond that for me today. Seriously disappointed with Radio Merseyside after that.
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2016, 08:10:31 pm »
Thought Evan Davis was brilliant. Bettison was squirming.

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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2016, 08:22:47 pm »
Warning that Bettison may face criminal  charges so we need to be  a bit careful :(

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« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2016, 08:28:51 pm »
Poor Saint fucking Norman "even had his own statement changed" by the pesky SYP in a "lawyer led process". CH4 News earlier tonight.


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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2016, 08:58:12 pm »
Warning that Bettison may face criminal  charges so we need to be  a bit careful :(

Shouldnt have wrote his book and whored it around, he can go fuck himself.

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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2016, 09:00:17 pm »
Shouldnt have wrote his book and whored it around, he can go fuck himself.

Sideways, with that book of his.
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2016, 09:17:54 pm »
Caught lying after 10 seconds on Newsnight.

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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2016, 09:30:51 pm »
Is there any lawyer out there who can answer my question? In the Editors Note to Adrian Tempany's book, 'And The Sun Shines Now' (which, if you haven't read it, shame on you) it says advise was given not to publish and pospone or' Risk being in contempt of court' due to the Warrington Inquests.
Why has this excuse of a man, Bettison, been allowed to publish his self serving filth while the IPCC are considering evidence regarding the conduct of police officers and others?
 
 

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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2016, 09:33:16 pm »
Thought Roger was a disgrace today to be honest.

Clearly not intelligent enough and hadn't put anything like the research he should've done to challenge Bettison and ultimately ended in giving him an extremely easy ride.

Even with the callers after it seemed as though Bettison had won him over and he was actually sticking up for him. I'm all for somebody in his position staying impartial and playing devil's advocate but it went beyond that for me today. Seriously disappointed with Radio Merseyside after that.

Glad someone else has commented on the interviewer. I alluded to it earlier, but yes, thought he was pretty dissapointing to put it mildly. In fairness to him tho, I think he compered the phone-in's OK... there were a few points raised by callers and I think he was just trying to correct a few of the finer points raised by them, but it wasn't exactly satisfying radio from 'either side' I don't think. I expected much more. And a bit less heavy breathing.


I had a little look at Biteback publishers late last night. Interesting. An 'interesting' list of books they've published. A bundle of 5 books on Nigel Frottage anyone? The Left's Jewish problem... but there seems to be a mix, albeit carefully constructed? Would that be fair?.. but yes... 'interesting'. The MD of Biteback is Iain Dale, who also has a slot on LBC radio.

Just over 2 years ago, Dale wrote:

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It has been five years since Biteback Publishing opened its doors. In that time we have consistently sought to publish books that have set the political agenda, and I truly believe we have established ourselves as one of the leading specialist independents in the country. We have published best-sellers by Anthony Seldon, Peter Sissons, Peter Hennessy, Ann Treneman, David Sainsbury, Damian McBride, Peter Hain and Andrew Adonis, among many others. We may be small but we are incredible noisy, exploiting excellent relations with the British press in order to secure often record serialisation deals and unparalleled media coverage. No lesser names than Charles Moore and Peter Oborne have proclaimed us Britain’s best political publisher, for which we are grateful and very proud, and it is a rare weekend you will open a Sunday newspaper and not find one of our books serialised, or reviewed, or providing inspiration for the cover splash. I have to say it has genuinely been a lot of fun, though hard work. We have made a lot of friends and put a few noises [sic?] out of joint along the way (nobody who has worked with us would describe us a shrinking violets) but we have enjoyed ourselves tremendously.
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I thought that was quite interesting.

The delight in having Charles Moore as a big fan was quite interesting too... Eton-Cambridge- Real Ale... Editor Sunday Telegraph, Thatcherite, anti BBC, nicknamed Lord Snooty in Private Eye, pro cannabis, pro porn. Interesting I thought. (I have Peter Cook's EL Wisty character saying the word 'interesting' ).

So when Bettison mentioned in an interview that he had decided to write a book, and approached a publisher about it, the publishers decided to publish it. That's interesting I thought. One approach to a publisher? A mere stroke of luck.



Shelagh Fogarty also interviewed Bettison today on the same LBC radio channel... can't find the full interview as yet, but there seems to be a bit more bite in her questions...

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/cop-hillsborough-cover-up-grilled-by-shelagh-book/

Could only find a clip on there... maybe the full interview will crop up soon.


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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2016, 09:34:36 pm »
Is there any lawyer out there who can answer my question? In the Editors Note to Adrian Tempany's book, 'And The Sun Shines Now' (which, if you haven't read it, shame on you) it says advise was given not to publish and pospone or' Risk being in contempt of court' due to the Warrington Inquests.
Why has this excuse of a man, Bettison, been allowed to publish his self serving filth while the IPCC are considering evidence regarding the conduct of police officers and others?
 
 


I'd like to know that aswell. That's the bit I really want an answer to.

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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2016, 09:40:50 pm »
Good on Waterstones, they won't be stocking this c*nts book in Merseyside stores.
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Re: Bettison.
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2016, 10:01:27 pm »
Is there any lawyer out there who can answer my question? In the Editors Note to Adrian Tempany's book, 'And The Sun Shines Now' (which, if you haven't read it, shame on you) it says advise was given not to publish and pospone or' Risk being in contempt of court' due to the Warrington Inquests.
Why has this excuse of a man, Bettison, been allowed to publish his self serving filth while the IPCC are considering evidence regarding the conduct of police officers and others?

There was strong advice issued during the inquests. As the inquests have now completed, there is no risk of contempt as there are no active proceedings.

If the IPCC actually charge someone, we will all need to be wary again.

The Campaigners are generally being careful about what is said publicly. There is the distinct possibility of criminal charges for some of the perversions of justice. No one wants to prejudice the chances of that happening.