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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #80 on: November 2, 2016, 06:52:37 pm »
ah, the old Glen Hoddle / David Pleat prattism! These pundits are just bonkers, the only big club we haven't played and got something from is City and we did well against them last year!

They are bonkers!
Can't get over it ;D It's not even just them giving their typical bullshit opinion; even a quick glance at a list of our results this season would show their words up as the ramblings of a madman. The weirdest part though is that more than one pundit has said it.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #81 on: November 2, 2016, 07:42:36 pm »
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #82 on: November 2, 2016, 08:02:41 pm »
We should be using our cracking form to make sure Can is in top form so I'd start him over Wijnaldum who I think is going to be an 8/10 player for us all season.

Not underestimating Watford cos they've come on leaps and bounds under Mazzari, but when we go a few up I'd love to see Grujic and Stewart getting some more minutes as we'll need them as the games pile up in December. Got to give the younger boys some game time in games that matter which includes Southampton as well

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #83 on: November 2, 2016, 09:23:15 pm »
We should be winning this but Watford have started well this season and they have some dangerous players. Like most games in this league, this one wont be easy. They havent lost in their last four in the league and have lost just 1 away game out of 5.
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #84 on: November 2, 2016, 11:37:21 pm »
There's no easy games in the Premier League etc, but we should win this, we are at home after all.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #85 on: November 3, 2016, 01:12:19 am »
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #86 on: November 3, 2016, 01:31:21 am »
Clyne is the only one who is a defender in that list... it is incredible

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #87 on: November 3, 2016, 02:54:36 am »
Not saying Milner is better than Clyne but at stopping crosses he's better than Moreno. I also think that Clyne gets better protection from Mane than Milner gets from Coutinho.
That's the point. Unless you have better statistics, I'm saying it looks like Milner is better at stopping crosses but in reality he's not.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #88 on: November 3, 2016, 04:28:30 am »
We should be using our cracking form to make sure Can is in top form so I'd start him over Wijnaldum who I think is going to be an 8/10 player for us all season.

Not underestimating Watford cos they've come on leaps and bounds under Mazzari, but when we go a few up I'd love to see Grujic and Stewart getting some more minutes as we'll need them as the games pile up in December. Got to give the younger boys some game time in games that matter which includes Southampton as well

This sort of stuff never happens in Pl unless we play aston Villa .

I'd be happy with 3 points regardless of how it came

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #89 on: November 3, 2016, 05:07:58 am »
Another Tough game for us.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #90 on: November 3, 2016, 05:17:02 am »
That's the point. Unless you have better statistics, I'm saying it looks like Milner is better at stopping crosses but in reality he's not.

That doesn't tell the whole story though. It would be interesting to see the average distance between Milner/Moreno and the crosser (not sure if this is even measured?). I feel Milner does not allow easy crosses, and has the correct body posture when attempting to block corsses whereas against Moreno, the winger can easily whip one in.  It's more about the ease and quality of crosses than quantity IMO.
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #91 on: November 3, 2016, 05:31:13 am »
We'll win this.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #92 on: November 3, 2016, 05:42:11 am »
It'll be interesting to see how we do against Mazzari's 3-5-2, which is a formation I don't think we've come up against recently.

I'm reasonably confident that we can dominate and prevail against any team, but a different kind of opponent will be fascinating to watch.

I was wondering this myself. I imagine that if our front 3 can occupy a center back each then that will force their wing backs to make it a back 5 and really pin them into their third.
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #93 on: November 3, 2016, 05:57:40 am »
I was wondering this myself. I imagine that if our front 3 can occupy a center back each then that will force their wing backs to make it a back 5 and really pin them into their third.

For sure a interesting Game. If our forward players play this past one touch football. We should see them off


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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #94 on: November 3, 2016, 11:40:08 am »
That's the point. Unless you have better statistics, I'm saying it looks like Milner is better at stopping crosses but in reality he's not.
Statistics don't necessarily validate your point. They are an analytical tool. In reality in the 2 games Moreno has played this season, we have conceded 2 goals directly from him not stopping the cross. I can't remember the same of Milner.
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #95 on: November 3, 2016, 11:52:01 am »
Statistics don't necessarily validate your point. They are an analytical tool. In reality in the 2 games Moreno has played this season, we have conceded 2 goals directly from him not stopping the cross. I can't remember the same of Milner.
That's  very small sample size though. You can't stop every cross and can't do anything about the defending after it.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #96 on: November 3, 2016, 11:59:09 am »
That's  very small sample size though. You can't stop every cross and can't do anything about the defending after it.

Small sample size ~ watching Alberto Moreno play 95 games for Liverpool.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #97 on: November 3, 2016, 12:03:47 pm »
as is Clyne, why miss him out
Why pick an argument?  ::)

I was commenting on the fact that Firmino is top and Mane probably would be challenging if not for missing Burnley...

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #98 on: November 3, 2016, 12:07:46 pm »
Karius not claiming crosses.

I'm just worried if he does, he's going to go to ground and then present the ball back in the ruck - who's going to play scrum half!?!?!
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #99 on: November 3, 2016, 12:09:37 pm »
Watched the Burnley v Watford game and found Watford to be very pedestrian.

I think as usual its going to be a case of how they might stop is rather than us worrying about them.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #100 on: November 3, 2016, 12:40:35 pm »
Watched the Burnley v Watford game and found Watford to be very pedestrian.

I think as usual its going to be a case of how they might stop is rather than us worrying about them.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #101 on: November 3, 2016, 12:46:46 pm »
Just win please, any win will do. I'd take a sloppy last minute 1-0
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #102 on: November 3, 2016, 12:51:10 pm »
this is one of those games you go into it high on confidence and they give us a scare or worse.

that said, cant wait for every game this season, we are mentally and physically tougher now so should scrape it with a goal to spare.

- all in my opinion of course -

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #103 on: November 3, 2016, 12:56:09 pm »
I'm supremely confident that we'll maintain our performance level in this one, and that this will lead to another dominant display and comfortable victory.

I'd bet that they're all motivated to go out and continue improving defensively, without reducing our threat. ie - cutting out errors. So, with that in mind I'll predict a 3-0.

I'd have Milner back in at LB and keep Can in midfield, rest of the team picks itself.

Great opportunity to gain points on Arsenal, Spurs or both and Utd dropping points again wouldn't shock me with the Fenerbache game tonight.

Our focus should be on performing at our maximum. Achieve that and we win, barring a miracle performance from Watford, or a terrible ref.


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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #104 on: November 3, 2016, 12:57:13 pm »
Early goal please.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #105 on: November 3, 2016, 01:10:58 pm »
That's  very small sample size though. You can't stop every cross and can't do anything about the defending after it.
I could go back to last season, but it wouldn't help because Milner only started playing there regularly this season. There is a reason Milner is the preferred LB now, simply he is better defensively than Moreno. I like Alberto, but he needs to defend better and that's why he doesn't play the majority of our games anymore.

Your second point is valid but goals are a combination of mistakes, and Moreno is a weak link in that defence and as such places more pressure on his CB's.

Anyways on to Sunday, hope we get the 3 points because we owe them for last season.
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #106 on: November 3, 2016, 01:32:22 pm »
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #107 on: November 3, 2016, 01:57:38 pm »
I was wondering this myself. I imagine that if our front 3 can occupy a center back each then that will force their wing backs to make it a back 5 and really pin them into their third.

I'm sure we'll stick to our normal game and force them to try to play against our strengths, rather than trying to counter them. Having said that, playing a front 3 like we do relies on your attackers being able to consistently beat their man to create space. This game would be a great one to test the Sturridge/Origi strike partnership in the league. From a selfish perspective, that's something I'd really enjoy watching.

There's some logic behind it too. In theory, 3 at the back is weakest to two up front. Reason being, they drift into the space between Defenders 1 & 2 and 2 & 3 forcing someone out of position to meet them. This invariably creates space either on a wing or through the middle for a deep run from midfield.

So let's say it starts like this:

-------------------------------- Defender 1 -------------------Defender 2 ------------------Defender 3---------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------Striker 1----------------------Striker 2----------------------------------------------------


The defenders need to get close to the strikers or risk getting skinned on the counter. Regardless of how they chose to close down, space is created. I'll give two examples here but every possible combination results in a similar situation:

Example 1:

------------------------------------------ Defender 1 -------------------Defender 2 ------------------Defender 3------------------------------

------Midfielder/Fullback------------------------------Striker 1----------------------Striker 2---------------------------------------------------


In this case, the two strikers get narrow and draw Defender 1 & 2 into them, creating a gaping whole on the left for a midfielder & full-back to have a 2 on 1 with the opposition 'fullback'


Example 2:

---------------------------- Defender 1 -----------Defender 2 ------------------------------Defender 3---------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------Striker 1---------------Midfielder-------------------Striker 2---------------------------------

Here the two strikers stretch the back line, creating a gap in the middle for a deep run from midfield.

Obviously it's not always this simple and you have the opposition midfield tracking such runs but with fluid off-the-ball movement, it can be quite easy to create space on the counter against a back 3 if you chose two strikers. As for when they drop deep and create a back 5 with 3 in front, space in the box is obviously very limited but they make passing it around our back 4-6 incredibly easy and lack the extra body in midfield to close down long-range efforts. If they did that, you could expect a Coutinho screamer.

As I said, highly unlikely we'll mess with a winning formula but that's my 2 cents.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #108 on: November 3, 2016, 05:01:02 pm »
Nice OP, Nick.

Why's this on Sunday?
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #109 on: November 3, 2016, 05:08:15 pm »
Tough one with Wij or Can.

Wij deffo better on the ball and knitting our midfield together but Can does help in his size and power alone.

Deeney be a threat & Can would help with that.

That said don't think we should worry to much about them if we play how we have been we should win this.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #110 on: November 3, 2016, 05:13:53 pm »
Nice OP, Nick.

Why's this on Sunday?
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #111 on: November 3, 2016, 08:46:33 pm »
Anyone going the game on Sunday?

I think it would be really nice to give Danny Ings a good minute's appreciation (applause and singing) on 28 minutes to show our support for a lad who has had the worst luck since he joined us just over a year ago.

Let's show him what being part of our club is all about, and that we are behind him all the way as he battles another physical injury but has to deal with it mentally as well.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #112 on: November 3, 2016, 08:57:11 pm »
No easy games and once again this a game that we should win.
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #113 on: November 3, 2016, 09:15:16 pm »
Anyone going the game on Sunday?

I think it would be really nice to give Danny Ings a good minute's appreciation (applause and singing) on 28 minutes to show our support for a lad who has had the worst luck since he joined us just over a year ago.

Let's show him what being part of our club is all about, and that we are behind him all the way as he battles another physical injury but has to deal with it mentally as well.

On 28 minutes; "Sing for Ings".



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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #114 on: November 3, 2016, 09:16:14 pm »
Anyone going the game on Sunday?

I'm going, can't wait for it my mates picking me up in a van

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #115 on: November 3, 2016, 09:34:58 pm »
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Feels weird after an EL/CL week for other clubs.
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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #116 on: November 3, 2016, 09:39:12 pm »
Feels weird after an EL/CL week for other clubs.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #117 on: November 3, 2016, 09:40:13 pm »
I'm going, can't wait for it my mates picking me up in a van

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #118 on: November 3, 2016, 09:54:28 pm »
Nice OP, Nick.

Why's this on Sunday?

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It's because Sky are televising it.

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Re: Liverpool vs Watford, Sunday 6th November, 2.15pm
« Reply #119 on: November 4, 2016, 12:15:07 am »
Nice OP, Nick.

Why's this on Sunday?

So we get an extra day to laugh at United!
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