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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1600 on: March 24, 2017, 01:43:05 pm »
When Kane was 20/21 he was on loan at Leicester wasn't he?

Aye he was, and hand on heart he's one of the worst players I've seen down there in his admittedly pretty short time. And this was when they had such luminaries as Martyn Waghorn and Marco Futacs, and a fifty year old fifty stone Yakubu.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1601 on: March 24, 2017, 01:48:24 pm »
He. Is. Twenty. One.

I'm 33. So what??

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1602 on: March 24, 2017, 02:02:49 pm »
I'm 33. So what??

Being 33 you surely don't need it explaining why judging a 21 year old kid around 'reaching his potential' is a bit daft?

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Its a bit daft judging a 21 year old kid around reaching his potential, because he's absolutely nowhere near the age where strikers generally come into their own and show their best form. He's had injuries, and as a 21 year old who notoriously struggle for consistency unless you're a superhuman like Fowler or Owen, its been hard to come back into the side and show the same form he's shown previously. He's had excellent cameos, but he's been asked to play wide as well as up front and again that's difficult to find any sort of consistency when you're a youngster still learning your trade.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1603 on: March 24, 2017, 02:31:15 pm »
I think the most important thing in regards to Origi is that the manager clearly likes him. When asked initially about Origi Klopp said something to the tune of 'I think we're gonna have a lot of fun with him.' There were reports, unconfirmed admittedly, that Klopp originally wanted him at Dortmund.

He's shown how good he can be, he's quick, he's young, he's got a manager who believes in him and he's going to get much more game time next season with the extra European games (providing we don't nosedive over the next couple of months). I can pretty much assure you that many people in this thread will go very quiet in regards to Origi in about 12 months time.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1604 on: March 24, 2017, 03:10:29 pm »
Christ. People acting like the argument is pressing vs goals are completely missing the point.

There are natural goalscorers that you could bring in to a team who, if you built the system around them could score 20+ goals.

From Defoe to Lukaku to Ibrahimovic.

The type of player that needs the system to be built around them. If you swapped Firmino for Lukaku in our team this season, the latter would possibly have scored more goals, but as a team we'd probably have scored less.

So many of our goals and chances are caused by turnovers and quick breaks. Having one third of your front three not working with the rest doesn't just mean one third less turnovers/chances - it's even more dramatic than that as it works to nullify the pressing of the other two.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1605 on: March 24, 2017, 03:10:41 pm »
Firmino will be number 1, Origi will be number 2 with cup games next season, with CL he'll get his chances. We'll probably sign a German kid who we heard nothing about as Ings's replacement/competition, of course Woodburn will have another year of development. Don't be surprised if we don't sign anyone of note following Sturridge's departure.

I'll  be surprised /disappointed  is thats the case. We'd be a firmino injury from depending on Origi to deliver. I'm hoping we sign a first choice striker. Time"ll tell.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1606 on: March 24, 2017, 03:14:28 pm »
Christ. People acting like the argument is pressing vs goals are completely missing the point.

There are natural goalscorers that you could bring in to a team who, if you built the system around them could score 20+ goals.

From Defoe to Lukaku to Ibrahimovic.

The type of player that needs the system to be built around them. If you swapped Firmino for Lukaku in our team this season, the latter would possibly have scored more goals, but as a team we'd probably have scored less.

So many of our goals and chances are caused by turnovers and quick breaks. Having one third of your front three not working with the rest doesn't just mean one third less turnovers/chances - it's even more dramatic than that as it works to nullify the pressing of the other two.

But a goalscorer that fits into the current set up is what people want. Not a goalscoring lump. How difficult such a player is to get remains to be seen.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1607 on: March 24, 2017, 03:16:11 pm »
But a goalscorer that fits into the current set up is what people want. Not a goalscoring lump. How difficult such a player is to get remains to be seen.
Yeah. Absolutely. Or whether Firmino can improve his finishing.

Remember that when Suarez arrived there was a huge swell of opinion early on that he wasn't clinical enough.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1608 on: March 24, 2017, 03:23:04 pm »
Yeah. Absolutely. Or whether Firmino can improve his finishing.

Remember that when Suarez arrived there was a huge swell of opinion early on that he wasn't clinical enough.

Yea, he kinda knocked that on the head☺. Mind you he was prolific before he arrived and did seem to believe he had to do it all here. Firmino is a great signing but Id love to see a better finisher. I really don't know an option that suits us so klopp has his work cut out.   Origi should get plenty time to step up. Hope he does.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1609 on: March 24, 2017, 04:05:20 pm »
Its not a straight comparison, as youve said, but I'd wager Firmino has played more minutes this year than Benteke did for us last year in the league in order to reach his league goal tally.
The goal tally that I posted was from this year. 

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Point is that Benteke was judged to not score enough goals to compensate for his lack of suitability to the team, so was quickly moved on.
Benteke was clearly not suited to the team but it had nothing to do with whether he scored goals or not.  He's obviously more of a target man while we require someone with much more mobility who can create space for others.  Something Firmino does really well. 


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Firmino is hardly blowing him away in terms of the numbers game, however he's clearly a much better fit. But that issue of us having someone who should be the focal point of our attack, who plays closest to the opposition goal, more often than anyone else between the width of the 18yd box who's not putting up great numbers still remains.

People will say the attacking unit benefits even if Bobby isnt the one putting up strong numbers, and that we've made strides forward in that sense. And they'd be right to an extent. But Benteke didnt have Mane, he didnt have Lallana in midfield instead of the front 3 so the degree to which Firmino is a boon to our front line and we can overlook his lack of pure numbers remains a conversation that needs to be taking place, imho.

Do we really need a focal point to our attack though?  We have a very fluid front 5 who have a great understanding of each other's movement.  If we bring in your typical #9 then I think we'll need to change tactics as the space for Lallana and Wijnaldum to make late runs won't be there, the space for Mane to make outside to inside runs won't be there.  Our attacking system relies on someone with the attributes of a Firmino rather then your typical #9. 

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1610 on: March 24, 2017, 04:28:36 pm »
I think the most important thing in regards to Origi is that the manager clearly likes him. When asked initially about Origi Klopp said something to the tune of 'I think we're gonna have a lot of fun with him.' There were reports, unconfirmed admittedly, that Klopp originally wanted him at Dortmund.


Meh... post a list of quotes where Klopp has talked down one of his players?!

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1611 on: March 24, 2017, 04:39:10 pm »
Being 33 you surely don't need it explaining why judging a 21 year old kid around 'reaching his potential' is a bit daft?

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Oh.

Its a bit daft judging a 21 year old kid around reaching his potential, because he's absolutely nowhere near the age where strikers generally come into their own and show their best form. He's had injuries, and as a 21 year old who notoriously struggle for consistency unless you're a superhuman like Fowler or Owen, its been hard to come back into the side and show the same form he's shown previously. He's had excellent cameos, but he's been asked to play wide as well as up front and again that's difficult to find any sort of consistency when you're a youngster still learning your trade.

Hey, I know I'm a bit of a divvy!

 I wasn't judging origi, I just don't agree that he is anywhere near the level of lukaku and thought it was funny that someone prefers a striker to be able to press rather than score goals??
I like origi as a player and I think he's got all the physical attributes to be a really good player regardless of his age.
I do feel as though he's been a bit of let down this season, nowhere near the level of performance he put in last season.

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Re: Origi, chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker
« Reply #1612 on: March 25, 2017, 08:11:54 pm »
I think the most important thing in regards to Origi is that the manager clearly likes him. When asked initially about Origi Klopp said something to the tune of 'I think we're gonna have a lot of fun with him.' There were reports, unconfirmed admittedly, that Klopp originally wanted him at Dortmund.

He's shown how good he can be, he's quick, he's young, he's got a manager who believes in him and he's going to get much more game time next season with the extra European games (providing we don't nosedive over the next couple of months). I can pretty much assure you that many people in this thread will go very quiet in regards to Origi in about 12 months time.

Lots of young players are fairly inconsistent to start out with. He's gone from spells of being very very good to being quite anonymous.

With regards to his comments about not enough game time, well he needs to make it very hard for Klopp to leave him out. He certainly has the tools to be a good striker - but its the game intelligence that needs to develop at the moment.

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What a cameo, great hold up play, silky touch, gave their defence a torrid time and obviously the finish.

Where is that divvy who said he was rubbish and one of the worst striker's he's seen in a red shirt?  :butt
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Origi is to Klopp what Pongolle was to Rafa

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Didn't need to have a heart attack throughout the 2nd half, cheers Divock
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What an impact he had! Hopefully he gets a few more over the next couple of months!

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If he plays he needs to play centrally up front. Looks like he will be given a chance with Mane's injury too ..

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Great skill and hold up play today, good goal too :D
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Origi 1- 0 Lukaku :D

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Lovely finish. Thought he did well when he came on

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Depending on the severity of Mane's ankle, Origi could be called on over the next month.  This would be a great time for him to rediscover his confidence and form.  Looked very lively today.
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This time last season he was a beast. He'll be so again.

Let's hope Mane is alright but i trust Origi to step up. He was far more aggressive in his game today.

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his best performance for months - he actually held the ball up... don't know why he hasn't been using his physicality like that recently.
Great finish too

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Depending on the severity of Mane's ankle, Origi could be called on over the next month.  This would be a great time for him to rediscover his confidence and form.  Looked very lively today.

Would be awesome to have both Mane and Origi scoring for fun next season!

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his best performance for months - he actually held the ball up... don't know why he hasn't been using his physicality like that recently.
Great finish too

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You can knock him for a couple of things but you can't deny he's got goals in him.

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Would be poetic for it to be this game in which he found his form again.

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Getting into groove again eh ? Love him. He's such a physical presence and his trickery on the ball always makes me smile. Good goal too. Hopefully a start to the kind of form he was in at the same time last season.

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Would be poetic for it to be this game in which he found his form again.

Yep, little bit of retribution for him after the c*nts ended his season last year when he was our first choice striker.
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He did really well when he came on, lovely finish for the goal. If Sadio is out a chance for Divock to have a run in the team, hope he takes his chance.
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Big div can do that, he's s bit Lukaku esque. Saying that it's tricky because on one hand he needs games to improve and fulfill his ability but on the other he doesn't provide what Firmino does.

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He's got a good shot on him, great to see him back on the scoresheet.

Hopefully, he can rediscover the form he showed towards the end of last season.

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Great goal - glad every time he smashes one past the blueshite after the shithouse tackle.

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Origi's hold up play is so much superior to Lukaku. Lukaku just got eaten up by Lovren today.