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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2011, 04:53:33 pm »
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2011, 05:03:02 pm »
What? Not the traditional mask, striped shirt and big bag marked swag?  Strange country in which you live mate

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2011, 08:25:13 pm »
Perhaps the spanking paddle you keep next to it?

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2011, 08:35:36 pm »
Would have no hesitation in battering the first fucker that tried to rob my house. She insists on having a golf club, cricket bat, and baseball bat under the bed.
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2011, 11:42:32 pm »
Would have no hesitation in battering the first fucker that tried to rob my house. She insists on having a golf club, cricket bat, and baseball bat under the bed.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #45 on: July 1, 2011, 12:03:07 am »
"One lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns." - Don Vito Corleone

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #46 on: July 1, 2011, 11:18:56 am »
Burglary is often associated with an intruder stealing items from your house. However, the crime of burglary is committed as soon as someone trespasses onto your building/car (recently added into statute), and possess ulterior intent - ulterior intent can be an intention to commit theft, GBH or criminal damage.

An interesting scenario would be: Person A is sitting in his car near to a riot. Person B smashes the window of person A's car with a brick. The man putting his arm through the window into the interior of the car satisfies the trespassing element, and his intention to commit criminal damage satisfies ulterior intent.

Is a response of GBH by person A really proportional to that crime?

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #47 on: July 1, 2011, 11:37:37 am »
fuck me that's quite a selection - have you any room left for your dirty mags?

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #48 on: July 1, 2011, 11:40:10 am »
Burglary is often associated with an intruder stealing items from your house. However, the crime of burglary is committed as soon as someone trespasses onto your building/car (recently added into statute), and possess ulterior intent - ulterior intent can be an intention to commit theft, GBH or criminal damage.

An interesting scenario would be: Person A is sitting in his car near to a riot. Person B smashes the window of person A's car with a brick. The man putting his arm through the window into the interior of the car satisfies the trespassing element, and his intention to commit criminal damage satisfies ulterior intent.

Is a response of GBH by person A really proportional to that crime?

That's the problem with these laws though, stabbing/clubbing/twatting someone who maybe has no real intent to harm you. But should this extend to material objects as well?

EDIT: You could argue emotional distress which can sometimes be worse than a physical injury; e.g. After the attack every time you're sitting in your car in a crowded public place you have massive panic attacks.
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #49 on: July 1, 2011, 11:51:47 am »
That's the problem with these laws though, stabbing/clubbing/twatting someone who maybe has no real intent to harm you. But should this extend to material objects as well?

EDIT: You could argue emotional distress which can sometimes be worse than a physical injury; e.g. After the attack every time you're sitting in your car in a crowded public place you have massive panic attacks.

You could, but does that justify the killing another person?

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #50 on: July 1, 2011, 12:03:46 pm »
You could, but does that justify the killing another person?

Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning it, if I'm honest I'm not sure where I stand yet on this.

It works based on people being in control of their emotions but who is in those situations? It might also give these people intent on breaking the law something to think about, and any of them still willing to carry on are probably going to prepare themselves for confrontation, so are more than likely armed or willing to kill/injure to finish their 'work'.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #51 on: July 1, 2011, 12:06:56 pm »
Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning it, if I'm honest I'm not sure where I stand yet on this.

It works based on people being in control of their emotions but who is in those situations? It might also give these people intent on breaking the law something to think about, and any of them still willing to carry on are probably going to prepare themselves for confrontation, so are more than likely armed or willing to kill/injure to finish their 'work'.

I'm in favour of it! But lets just hope they draw the lines clearly. In Saudi a thief has his hands cut off...

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #52 on: July 1, 2011, 12:14:07 pm »
Burglary is often associated with an intruder stealing items from your house. However, the crime of burglary is committed as soon as someone trespasses onto your building/car (recently added into statute), and possess ulterior intent - ulterior intent can be an intention to commit theft, GBH or criminal damage.

An interesting scenario would be: Person A is sitting in his car near to a riot. Person B smashes the window of person A's car with a brick. The man putting his arm through the window into the interior of the car satisfies the trespassing element, and his intention to commit criminal damage satisfies ulterior intent.

Is a response of GBH by person A really proportional to that crime?

Only if Person A commits grevious bodily harm with the brick used by Person B to smash his window.

In all seriousness though, didn't the criminal damage happen at the point when the brick smashed through the window?  And if person B is reaching in through the smashed out window at person A, I don't think I'd have a problem with person A defending himself in whatever way he felt necessary. 

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #53 on: July 1, 2011, 12:15:04 pm »


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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #54 on: July 1, 2011, 12:20:05 pm »
Only if Person A commits grevious bodily harm with the brick used by Person B to smash his window.

In all seriousness though, didn't the criminal damage happen at the point when the brick smashed through the window?  And if person B is reaching in through the smashed out window at person A, I don't think I'd have a problem with person A defending himself in whatever way he felt necessary.

You're right, i should have clarified that i'm assuming person A was harmed during the damage.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #55 on: July 1, 2011, 12:57:12 pm »
You're right, i should have clarified that i'm assuming person A was harmed during the damage.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #56 on: July 1, 2011, 12:58:02 pm »
Only if Person A commits grevious bodily harm with the brick used by Person B to smash his window.

In all seriousness though, didn't the criminal damage happen at the point when the brick smashed through the window?  And if person B is reaching in through the smashed out window at person A, I don't think I'd have a problem with person A defending himself in whatever way he felt necessary. 

What do you do if he only smashes the window? Can you restrain him until cops get there? Or just let them walk free?

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #57 on: July 1, 2011, 01:02:47 pm »
I got burgled in Jan. My 3 year old daughter had been unsettled so the Mrs was sleeping with her.

I woke up at 3am and heard footsteps. Thought it was the Mrs and dozed off again. The footsteps were from the top of the stairs, that's how close they came to our bedrooms.

I woke up again ten minutes later and heard more noises, by the time I turned the light on grabbed the cricket stump behind my bed (yes I'm aware my choice of weapon needs updating), they had started the car outside and were off before I could even get to the window. They were only after the car.

Now, the Mrs doesn't know that they came as far as to the top of the stairs, that would really freak her out. The fact that she happened to be sleeping with our baby helped her to deal with it.

The anger I felt was incredible. But in that situtaion, if I'm standing there with a cricket stump in my hand, and they have both sets of keys to my BMW and I'm the only thing stopping them from taking it, they will get through me one way or another. And I have too much to lose. If they want the car, fuck it, take it! That's what Car Insurance is for.

A good mate of mine who is a BMW dealer advises his customers to always leave the car keys downstairs at night. Not in view, but easy enough to find because you don't want them coming upstairs especially if you have kids in the house.

My brother is a Probation Officer and a lot of the offenders he deals with are those that went to to a burglary, got caught in the act and it got really nasty. One 19 year old lad raped a 76 year old woman after she caught him, while her disabled husband, who couldn't move from his bed, heard everything. Horrific.

I think we should have the right to defend our homes to a degree. But in that situation again, I rather set the panic alarm off, disturb them and let them fuck off with whatever they have their hands on.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #58 on: July 1, 2011, 01:22:11 pm »
What do you do if he only smashes the window? Can you restrain him until cops get there? Or just let them walk free?

Citizens arrest, he has committed criminal damage.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #59 on: July 1, 2011, 01:29:54 pm »
I got burgled in Jan. My 3 year old daughter had been unsettled so the Mrs was sleeping with her.

I woke up at 3am and heard footsteps. Thought it was the Mrs and dozed off again. The footsteps were from the top of the stairs, that's how close they came to our bedrooms.

I woke up again ten minutes later and heard more noises, by the time I turned the light on grabbed the cricket stump behind my bed (yes I'm aware my choice of weapon needs updating), they had started the car outside and were off before I could even get to the window. They were only after the car.

Now, the Mrs doesn't know that they came as far as to the top of the stairs, that would really freak her out. The fact that she happened to be sleeping with our baby helped her to deal with it.

The anger I felt was incredible. But in that situtaion, if I'm standing there with a cricket stump in my hand, and they have both sets of keys to my BMW and I'm the only thing stopping them from taking it, they will get through me one way or another. And I have too much to lose. If they want the car, fuck it, take it! That's what Car Insurance is for.

A good mate of mine who is a BMW dealer advises his customers to always leave the car keys downstairs at night. Not in view, but easy enough to find because you don't want them coming upstairs especially if you have kids in the house.

My brother is a Probation Officer and a lot of the offenders he deals with are those that went to to a burglary, got caught in the act and it got really nasty. One 19 year old lad raped a 76 year old woman after she caught him, while her disabled husband, who couldn't move from his bed, heard everything. Horrific.

I think we should have the right to defend our homes to a degree. But in that situation again, I rather set the panic alarm off, disturb them and let them fuck off with whatever they have their hands on.

There is an element of crime prevention in this. If burglars know that there is absolutely nothing holding people back from killing them in self defence, they might be less inclined to commit the crime in the first place.

Your reaction is the most sensible, but the government must take steps towards allowing people to prevent the crime from happening, instead of having to wait till the crime has happened before they can take action.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #60 on: July 1, 2011, 01:34:19 pm »
So now i can use the shotgun rather than waving it round as I always thought i would?

But can only shoot them in the front, not in the back, what if they were running backwards at me.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #61 on: July 1, 2011, 01:38:08 pm »
So now i can use the shotgun rather than waving it round as I always thought i would?

But can only shoot them in the front, not in the back, what if they were running backwards at me.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #62 on: July 1, 2011, 01:55:06 pm »
What do you do if he only smashes the window? Can you restrain him until cops get there? Or just let them walk free?

I try to avoid confrontation whenever possible, so if I didn't feel there was an imminent threat to my person, I'd likely let the person walk free. 

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #63 on: July 1, 2011, 02:43:32 pm »
Citizens arrest, he has committed criminal damage.

I'm 5'8" and 175lbs and hypothetically the guy who smashed me window is 6'2" and weighs 190lbs, how do I convince him to hang around?

I try to avoid confrontation whenever possible, so if I didn't feel there was an imminent threat to my person, I'd likely let the person walk free. 

I avoid confrontation too, but where do you draw the line? You let the bastard walk and you're left to pay the insurance hike? I'm afraid I'm going with "Fuck that, I'm going to lynch the c*nt".

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #64 on: July 1, 2011, 02:44:43 pm »
So now i can use the shotgun rather than waving it round as I always thought i would?

But can only shoot them in the front, not in the back, what if they were running backwards at me.

Everybody knows you give the bastard a 'six pack'.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #65 on: July 1, 2011, 02:58:40 pm »
I avoid confrontation too, but where do you draw the line? You let the bastard walk and you're left to pay the insurance hike? I'm afraid I'm going with "Fuck that, I'm going to lynch the c*nt".

I agree with the sentiment; however, theory and practice are two different things, and there is a greater liklihood that you'll either end up on the wrong side of a beating, the wrong side of the law if you do catch him and give him a beating or that you'll end up paying the hike in insurance after the bastard runs away than there is that it'll all go your way.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #66 on: July 1, 2011, 03:03:36 pm »
Not had a burgular, but I've had a few occasions when I've had dickheads in the back garden. I ran out screaming obscenities - most of them are too fast, but one day I got hold of one of them but he managed to scramble over the fence - went round the other side - but he'd well got off.

Chased another burgular (not my house) a couple of years back, but he was like a fucking whippet.


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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #67 on: July 1, 2011, 03:11:32 pm »

Also chased about 20 lads over a hill (while pissed) after they knocked an offie over. Not the best idea I've ever had.

The only reason I could think of why you would be chasing them is that they robbed all the booze


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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #68 on: July 1, 2011, 07:24:53 pm »
I'm 5'8" and 175lbs and hypothetically the guy who smashed me window is 6'2" and weighs 190lbs, how do I convince him to hang around?

I avoid confrontation too, but where do you draw the line? You let the bastard walk and you're left to pay the insurance hike? I'm afraid I'm going with "Fuck that, I'm going to lynch the c*nt".

With a key eye for detail like that, you don't ask him to stick around. Describe the guy for the police, and go off on your merry way.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #69 on: July 1, 2011, 07:45:17 pm »
I've a baseball bat by the bed. Going straight round the c*nts head.


One of the lowest & most disgusting crimes done by scum. I feel you should be able to defend your home people have kids & hard earned possesions or sentimental stuff. You work hard pay the rent/ mortgage in the belief you should be safe in your own home .

As long as you use reasonable & proportional defence not a problem
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #70 on: July 1, 2011, 08:22:15 pm »
Burglary is often associated with an intruder stealing items from your house. However, the crime of burglary is committed as soon as someone trespasses onto your building/car (recently added into statute), and possess ulterior intent - ulterior intent can be an intention to commit theft, GBH or criminal damage.

An interesting scenario would be: Person A is sitting in his car near to a riot. Person B smashes the window of person A's car with a brick. The man putting his arm through the window into the interior of the car satisfies the trespassing element, and his intention to commit criminal damage satisfies ulterior intent.

Is a response of GBH by person A really proportional to that crime?

I was in fear of my life, your Honour, and had no choice but to use physical force to defend myself from my accuser who had attempted to assault me with a brick. I was scared for my safety and believed that if I did not fight back he would attack me with another brick. I deeply regret that Mr X will spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair eating through a straw however I believe I used the minimum force required to prevent another attack on my person.
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #71 on: July 1, 2011, 08:35:27 pm »
Spoke to a police officer about this while I was on a placement with a duty solicitor last year with Uni.

If you get a bit 'heavy' with the scumbag c*nt who is in your house, there is a solution, though it's quite radical. Tell your missus what is going to happen, and then punch her. Say you walked in on the two of them as he struck her, and you feared for her.

2 people's words against a scumbag twats word. In the words of this probably less-that-stellar PO, it effectively gives you "carte-blanche" to fucking lace them.
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #72 on: July 1, 2011, 08:40:26 pm »

And to punch your wife? Hmmm, not so sure about that. Think it might be done the other way around in our house. ;)
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #73 on: July 1, 2011, 08:42:12 pm »
Spoke to a police officer about this while I was on a placement with a duty solicitor last year with Uni.

If you get a bit 'heavy' with the scumbag c*nt who is in your house, there is a solution, though it's quite radical. Tell your missus what is going to happen, and then punch her. Say you walked in on the two of them as he struck her, and you feared for her.

2 people's words against a scumbag twats word. In the words of this probably less-that-stellar PO, it effectively gives you "carte-blanche" to fucking lace them.

The husband or the wife would trip up on the stand. Easily.

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #74 on: July 1, 2011, 08:51:06 pm »
Caught a burglar once in my Grandas house. Wasnt pretty, daft little muppet. This was years ago, just so happened a few rather large fellas and a bloke who looked a bit like me went past and he fell into the back of a transit and threw himself viciously into these blokes fists, feet and then put his arm in the van door while it was windy. Fucking nutter I tell you! Must of been on drugs or something I think, I Dont think he broke into a house again to be honest! Poor lad!

Id happily recreate the curb scene from American History X if someone broke into my place. Thats if my two dogs dont tear them apart first. My kids live here and if you come into my house all bets are off. I dont care what happens to you I just know I wont stop hitting you til you stop moving. Ive got a bat in the bedroom and two rottweilers. I dont care what happens to them, should I get banged up for it then got out and seen the said scumbag sitting in a wheelchair cabbaged, I wouldnt feel bad, infact id be tempted to tip him out of his wheelchair. I hate scumbags who do this kind of thing and if you enter another persons home uninvited intending to do them over, especially if theres kids there all bets are off im afraid. You deserve to be hurt, BADLY!
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #75 on: July 1, 2011, 09:00:57 pm »
Caught a burglar once in my Grandas house. Wasnt pretty, daft little muppet. This was years ago, just so happened a few rather large fellas and a bloke who looked a bit like me went past and he fell into the back of a transit and threw himself viciously into these blokes fists, feet and then put his arm in the van door while it was windy. Fucking nutter I tell you! Must of been on drugs or something I think, I Dont think he broke into a house again to be honest! Poor lad!

Id happily recreate the curb scene from American History X if someone broke into my place. Thats if my two dogs dont tear them apart first. My kids live here and if you come into my house all bets are off. I dont care what happens to you I just know I wont stop hitting you til you stop moving. Ive got a bat in the bedroom and two rottweilers. I dont care what happens to them, should I get banged up for it then got out and seen the said scumbag sitting in a wheelchair cabbaged, I wouldnt feel bad, infact id be tempted to tip him out of his wheelchair. I hate scumbags who do this kind of thing and if you enter another persons home uninvited intending to do them over, especially if theres kids there all bets are off im afraid. You deserve to be hurt, BADLY!

See that is on the very far end of the scale, obviously you'd want to "teach me a lesson" but disabling them for life? That's too far.
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #76 on: July 1, 2011, 09:02:54 pm »
See that is on the very far end of the scale, obviously you'd want to "teach me a lesson" but disabling them for life? That's too far.

Nah. You break into someone's house you deserve everything you get.
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #77 on: July 1, 2011, 09:11:13 pm »
See that is on the very far end of the scale, obviously you'd want to "teach me a lesson" but disabling them for life? That's too far.

Not at all mate, my kids live here. Come into my house where they are and you deserve it in my eyes. You shouldnt be there, say my missus comes home with my little girl and one of these scum bags is in the house, do you think they deserve anything less than that? They shouldnt be there if they dont want that to happen. Id feel a tiny bit for there family, but I think id still tell them they got what they deserved by breaking into my house where there is kids. If they didnt want it to happen, they shouldnt of been there. I wouldnt lose sleep over it believe me mate.
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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #78 on: July 1, 2011, 09:15:53 pm »
Not at all mate, my kids live here. Come into my house where they are and you deserve it in my eyes

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Re: Defending your home from burglars
« Reply #79 on: July 1, 2011, 09:19:40 pm »
Exactly mate, I dont get where people are coming from when they say scumbags have rights. They dont. I might be out of touch, un PC or whatever but thats the way ive been brought up and thats that. Nobody has the right to threaten yours or your familys safety in your own house EVER. Whatever happens to someone doing this, well its fair game. Is it fair they can come in and take everything you've worked for I say to the do gooders? Is it fair for your missus/kids/yourself to feel unsafe in your own home because of there actions? No it isnt, they get whats deserved.
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