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LFC and the HJC Part 1
« on: April 19, 2004, 10:29:51 am »
In some previous posts I have read on the forum people have been asking whether or not the club recognises the HJC.  They do not.  I'm a shareholder and I'd like to relate the events of the 1999 LFC Annual General Meeting. The piece originally appeared in Through The Wind and Rain and appears there along with many other articles on Hillsborough and the fight for Justice in the "Classic Articles" section.

After you have had a chance to digest that, I'll post Part 2 tomorrow to tell you about what went on at the 2000 AGM.

Out In The Cold
By Sandra Ireland
From TTWAR, Issue 46, Spring 2000

I am a shareholder. The behaviour of the Liverpool Board shames me. It acts in my name, and what it does is just the same as if I were doing it myself. How would you feel if persons you trusted to act on your behalf had, without your knowledge and certainly without your consent, behaved shamefully towards a respected, honoured group of people who had already suffered much?

I hope you never find out, but I did in March 1999 when I was horrified to discover that the Board of LFC were totally refusing to deal with or even acknowledge the Hillsborough Justice Campaign. That stance is a continual source of distress to bereaved families and survivors who see, in the H.J.C., an organisation that they feel gives them the kind of help and support they so badly need. In October 1998, members of the H.J.C. met with Rick Parry to ask for recognition. They have had neither response nor acknowledgement from him or our club. I was so appalled that I wrote and spoke to Peter Robinson and Rick Parry, asking that the matter be referred to the Board. In May 1999, Mr Parry confirmed that the Board had decided to continue to ignore the H.J.C., while again not having the decency to advise them of this stance.

I could not believe that this shameful decision would be acceptable to other shareholders and I was determined to raise the matter at the Annual General Meeting. On a freezing cold December evening, Steve Dooling (a survivor) and John Glover (a bereaved father) stood outside Anfield, handing out leaflets asking shareholders to persuade the Board to deal decently with the H.J.C. It is sad that only ten years after Hillsborough, our club has no qualms whatsoever in freezing out a survivor and a bereaved father - indeed, reducing them to standing outside like outcasts or beggars, braving the elements.

At the AGM, Peter Robinson answered on behalf of our club. And what an answer it was; astonishingly, on what anyone would surely understand to be a sensitive issue, his manner was aggressive, offensive and brutally dismissive. He said that this was not an appropriate matter for the AGM, and that our club could not be dealing with groups which were "springing up all over the place". He said they could not deal with two groups that had similar or overlapping views, and in any case he could not understand why the Family Support Group had split and why there had to be two groups anyway!

I felt I had to interrupt this flow of arrogant nonsense. I told him this was precisely an appropriate matter for the AGM, because it reflected on the good name of all shareholders and of our club. It was ridiculous to suggest that groups were springing up all over the place - this was clearly untrue, since there are only two. He knew perfectly well why the FSG split: because the Straw/Stuart Smith whitewash was the last straw for people who had long been calling for a proactive stance. He also knows full well that the two groups could not happily blend back together because the FSG had expelled the H.J.C.'s founder members! As for saying Liverpool FC was incapable of dealing with organisations of similar or overlapping views, they do this routinely every day as part of their normal business. In recent years, Liverpool games have been screened live by the BBC, ITV, Channel 5, SKY, Eurosport and numerous foreign networks - apparently, they can deal with different groups if there's money involved………

Ignoring all of this, Robinson blithely restated the Club's position and, after a somewhat stunned silence, David Moores moved the meeting hastily on. No comment, no explanation. Despite Moores, Robinson and the rest of the Board clearly hoping the matter would go away, I was delighted to discover after the meeting that the views I expressed were shared by so many other shareholders present. I was with two members of the H.J.C., Sheila Coleman and the chairman Kevin Robinson, and throughout the remainder of the evening we were continuously approached by shareholders expressing their concern at the situation and their support for the H.J.C. - two were also survivors and they were particularly upset at the Board's stance.

Why has the present situation arisen? Why is the Board behaving so badly? All the H.J.C. are after is an avenue of dialogue with the club, space in the programme from time to time and basically to receive the same treatment that is afforded to the FSG. Oh, and a signed football - the club couldn't even give them that when asked. As several shareholders said, somewhat incredulously, "Is that all?!" Yes, that's all - not a lot really, is it? Our club's rejection wounds and distresses members of the H.J.C. deeply. Its acceptance would mean a great deal. There is no difference between the bereaved of the FSG and the bereaved of the H.J.C. - they have all lost the people they loved. Why should only one group be welcome at Anfield? In October 1998, Rick Parry maintained Liverpool's impartiality; this does not square with the Board's current stance.

The H.J.C. have never asked our club for money - they are self-financed, well-run and well-managed. Volunteers do all this. They have a large and growing membership. They do proven excellent work. They have never insulted or attacked our club. I have heard nothing but silly and fatuous excuses from Rick Parry or Peter Robinson, and I am at a loss to understand why the Board has got itself into this position or what good they think it does our club. Peter Robinson has stated his concerns about the H.J.C. being "political" (whatever that may mean) - does that really excuse their refusal to deal with them? I seem to recall that at one of the Memorial Services at Anfield, Trevor Hicks said the Family Support Group intended to "remain within the political arena". Indeed, Phil Hammond once threatened to stand against George Howarth in Knowsley in protest at the Scrutiny/Whitewash. Since the FSG has on more than one occasion declared itself to be "political", and our club maintains a supportive relationship with them, why is this a perceived obstacle to a similar relationship with the H.J.C.?

What happens now? Well, after the AGM many angry shareholders said they would be contacting our club. David Moores said the Board would be discussing the issue again, so let's wait and see! What can you do? You could contact the H.J.C. or even join them - all are welcome. You could contact our club and tell them what you think. I know I've used that phrase throughout this article but that's what it is: our club. Board members come and go, but supporters are supporters for life. We are its' lifeblood and it ours'. Why should we allow any Bereaved Families or Survivors, who still suffer from injustices inflicted by those outside Anfield, to suffer more pain from further injustices inflicted by those inside Anfield?

© Sandra Ireland 2000/2004
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2004, 11:14:17 am »
Cheers for sharing that with us....

Nice to know that people with seemingly more power within the club, are still fighting as hard as what everyone connected through support wants.


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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2004, 11:26:25 am »
just out of interest will the change at the top of the HSFG have much significance?

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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2004, 11:36:05 am »
just out of interest will the change at the top of the HSFG have much significance?

Dont think so Matt....in last Wednesday's Echo there was a piece about Trevor Hicks, and the change at the top. Phil Hammond - the new Chairman - says:

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Phil, however, believes that the families may be more powerful if there was just one group, as opposed to two. The Hillsborough Justice Campaign, formed in early 1998, was started by bereaved father John Glover, survivor Peter Carney and actor Ricky Tomlinson after disagreements about the direction the HFSG was going in.

But says Phil: "We didn't want survivors in the group - just bereaved families. I understand the survivors. But let them have their own group and do their own thing".

Sounded promising at 1st, but then sounds less so at the end.

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« Last Edit: April 19, 2004, 11:41:06 am by Roper »

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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2004, 11:55:52 am »
Let them do their own thing, i would laugh at that if it wasn't so serious. What do the HFSG group do in this day and age. Nothing, there are more than just survivors in the HJC. I find it a tad sad for Phil Hammond to say that.
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2004, 12:09:29 pm »
Jon, thought it was a bit pedantic at the time i read it...but wasnt the right time to comment on anything.

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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2004, 12:18:10 pm »
Correct, but they all get the press talking to them, yet have no agenda to continue pressing for justice.
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2004, 03:13:13 pm »
Many thanks for that account, MaggieMay.  Am horrified to read about the behaviour of the Club towards the HJC - surely they have no excuse to behave the way they've done for the past few years?

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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2004, 03:44:13 pm »
Thank you Cyn. Old on and brace yourself for Part 2.     
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2004, 07:57:37 pm »
It does not get any better.
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2004, 10:25:06 am »
This was five years ago, and the same situation still exists?!  This is disgraceful, makes me feel ashamed to be a Liverpool supporter.  It just shows that LFC are now just concerned with money making...
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2004, 11:59:11 am »
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2004, 04:11:36 am »
Very sad state of affairs. All about money nowadays, forget the past. I mean, we are customers not fans according to LFC.

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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2004, 10:41:19 pm »
Sandra,

Did you ever post part two on here?
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2004, 08:33:40 am »
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/archive.php?aid=4270

Thank you Ben S.  And Mottman, is there anything else I can do to assist? Do you want copies of any correspondence.  I did copy Gerry in with it, but I know the old offices suffered from water damage/breakins and it may be that the old records are therefore not complete.  Anything you want let me know.  I am on hols from Thursday next for two and a bit weeks.  :wave
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2005, 01:51:25 pm »
A number of people have been asking about this in various threads.
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2005, 01:55:36 pm »
cheers to everybody for clearing this up for us.
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2005, 04:25:06 am »
Just read both part 1 and 2, and although I was aware that the HJC didn't get much recognition from the Club itself, i.e. the board, I wasn't aware on how distasteful and disprespectful Moores et al. had been about it.

Has any progress been made since 2001?

The HJC is a stone's throw from Anfield, and so many fans go into their shop, how can the club continue to ignore this?

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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2005, 11:47:33 am »
Thanks for posting this.

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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2005, 07:17:17 pm »
Has any progress been made since 2001?

The HJC is a stone's throw from Anfield, and so many fans go into their shop, how can the club continue to ignore this?

No, certainly nothing at an AGM, as the club said at the 2001 AGM that no further discussions would be heard, so there is no point, and I have not attended an AGM since (though I still get the minutes).  Unless Robbie can shed any light on informal contact and/or assistance, that is the situation as it presently stands.

As to your second question, I really have no idea and I wish I did.  I wrote to the club for two years, and no reason I ever got from them made one iota of sense.   (No offence intended to you if that comes across as harsh).
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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2005, 08:28:53 pm »
No, certainly nothing at an AGM, as the club said at the 2001 AGM that no further discussions would be heard, so there is no point, and I have not attended an AGM since (though I still get the minutes).  Unless Robbie can shed any light on informal contact and/or assistance, that is the situation as it presently stands.

As to your second question, I really have no idea and I wish I did.  I wrote to the club for two years, and no reason I ever got from them made one iota of sense.   (No offence intended to you if that comes across as harsh).

very sad indeed.

I guess I can kinda understand why the club only wants to deal with one group (although it shouldn't be too much of a problem), but the way they completley ignore the HJC is disgraceful.

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Re: LFC and the HJC Part 1
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2005, 08:54:10 pm »
Thing is, if you can only deal with one Hillsborough group because its aims and objectives might slightly differ (while basically remaining the same at its core - i.e. justice) from the other, then by the same criteria you should surely only deal with one newspaper, one football agent, one television company, one sponsor etc etc, should you not?  Now clearly the club have no problems at all in dealing with multiple representatives/organisations of all of the latter, so why do they make this the excuse for not being able to deal with two of the former?  Oddly enough, I got no response to that question from Rick.  ::)
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