Topic: Brexit - doesn't really seem to be a very good idea does it? (*)

[SlowRap]

I'm not trying to change your mind - you're* so fucking stupid that any coherent argument would be like arguing with a banana.

So - why did you vote leave? If you're going to admit that it's cos you're racist or stupid or gullible, that's fine. If not - then I'd be amazed.

So no dodging if you're not stupid or racist or xenophobic or gullible then why?


* Not you personally - the en-masse brexiteer

I can think of one massive positives for leaving,

Now the UK government has no excuse for effing up - they can't say their hands are tied by EU laws.

[SP]

I can think of one massive positives for leaving,

Now the UK government has no excuse for effing up - they can't say their hands are tied by EU laws.

They would be tied by WTO rules or countless other reasons. Politicians just do not mea culpa.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

The Khmer Rouge genocide was built on the solid principle that young children and the elderly were not productive members of the workers collective. The Nazis had solid principles. As do Islamists.

Would you mind giving us an overview of Rees-Mogg's speech because I genuinely can't bear to listen to him today (or any day, for that matter)?

I watched a programme that the French wanted resources and convinced an area that the people living in another area were not human - they were evil animals. The atrocities that followed were beyond belief. Felt traumatised even watching it

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I can think of one massive positives for leaving,

Now the UK government has no excuse for effing up - they can't say their hands are tied by EU laws.

Ha ha can't help yourself can you. No dodging

Answer the question.

You can't can you?

[kennedy81]

I can think of one massive positives for leaving,

Now the UK government has no excuse for effing up - they can't say their hands are tied by EU laws.

That's up there with some of the stupidest reasons I've read yet for leaving. And it's got some stiff competition.

What happens if the Tories lose the next election, and a Labour/Lib Dem coalition get in. Won't they have the excuse 'well it's all the brexiters fault for taking us out of the EU' if they fuck up?

[Outer Mongolian Red]

Theresa May is so unimpressive,never says anything of value.

[TheShanklyGates]

'They voted to take us out of the European Union, they didn't vote themselves out of a job at the same time.'

Uhh, yes they did Mr Corbyn.

[Rastas]

https://youtu.be/hLqDIZwr378?t=2m47s

I'd say that the majority are stupid, racists, xenophobes and islamaphobes.

You see it every day every time they open their stupid racist xenophobic gobs.

Every argument I've had with them are either 'facts' from the Daily Fail (Easily refuted) and pretty much always boil down to out and out racism.

You're all clearly fucking thick and racist twats - why not admit it?

Got to admit it goes way over my head, can you clearly explain to a simpleton what exactly he was saying that was wrong?

[jillcwhomever]

Theresa May is so unimpressive,never says anything of value.

She is a politician very good at not answering questions she doesn't want too. Which in this case is just about everything.

[oldfordie]

There's some absolute beauts out there.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/brexit-battle-hastings-norman-conquest-article-50

Joy proudly tells of how his family goes back all the way to Hastings in the 11th century. “The concept of being governed by an unelected body would have been absolutely abhorrent to anyone in those days. It’s almost like the state has been lost. It was like another takeover, we relinquished our law and power to an unelected body,” he says .



How do you even begin to argue with these people?

Ignorance is bliss, we've opened box 13 and it's going to be fab.

[ShakaHislop]

Theresa May is so unimpressive,never says anything of value.

54% do trust her to do a good job of Brexit though (33% do not), according to a Sky News poll today.

[killer-heels]

Theresa May is so unimpressive,never says anything of value.

She is incredibly weird. Probably because she was a vicars daughter. Something very strange about her mannerisms and style of speaking.

[jillcwhomever]

54% do trust her to do a good job of Brexit though (33% do not), according to a Sky News poll today.

Where do they find these people? They probably only asked in areas which backed leave.

[ShakaHislop]

Where do they find these people? They probably only asked in areas which backed leave.

That 54% is up by 8% since October too.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-data-brexit-poll-britons-predict-may-eu-success-but-are-split-on-scotland-10817747

[killer-heels]

Where do they find these people? They probably only asked in areas which backed leave.

Despite her weird style she actually conveys a sense of calm and order, the sort of which people who dont engage in politics (namely most people) actually like.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

https://youtu.be/hLqDIZwr378?t=2m47s

Got to admit it goes way over my head, can you clearly explain to a simpleton what exactly he was saying that was wrong?

Contribute or fuck off. What did you vote?

[Zeb]

So, I hear and read much about the unpopularity of Brexit, unhappiness with current UK governance, and that Brexit was treated as a fait accompli when 27% of eligible voters were for it.  I'm simplifying things down to my level but this sounds A LOT like Agent Orange and his band of lying liars.  Why can't people protesting in a peaceful manner avoid Brexit?  Why can't you derail this runaway train?  Why don't I hear about British people protesting everyday every way?

Just to add to other replies. With Trump, you have the Democrats to coalesce around. Yes, the demonstrations against things seemed very spontaneous but a fuckton of activist work went into them and the Democrats political machine piled on behind. Sure, the Democrats are a very multifaceted coalition but it's one which can win elections. Here, the main opposition party threw the towel in the day after Brexit. That left a discredited third party to try and find a voice - or the Nationalist parties (see Scottish referendum on leaving the UK under the SNP). Protest needs to be followed up with political power and we're fucked on that score.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Ignorance is bliss, we've opened box 13 and it's going to be fab.

That 54% is up by 8% since October too.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-data-brexit-poll-britons-predict-may-eu-success-but-are-split-on-scotland-10817747

The source is Sky

[jillcwhomever]

Despite her weird style she actually conveys a sense of calm and order, the sort of which people who dont engage in politics (namely most people) actually like.

Well if she has a few more days like today then people will change, especially when the leavers don't get their dearest wishes granted.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Despite her weird style she actually conveys a sense of calm and order, the sort of which people who dont engage in politics (namely most people) actually like.

Calm and order? Like father Douglas McQuire?

[jillcwhomever]

Calm and order? Like father Douglas McQuire?

As she leads us over a cliff.

[Zeb]

https://youtu.be/hLqDIZwr378?t=2m47s

One can't complain about a referendum question being posed more than once and then still not look a tit when you're claiming that if the answer goes your way then asking more than once is fine. Rees Mogg's nanny would be cross with him for such a hypocritical stance. The Commission is appointed by democratically elected governments, who send a democratically accountable minister to the council of ministers while the European Parliament is elected. That's as far as I've got, or intend to go, with Rees Mogg who, no doubt, is quite happy that the leader of the country has been chosen by a group of MPs from among themselves and that leader wields the prerogative powers of a completely unelected monarch - and who attempted to claim that she could use those powers to abrogate my rights without even a vote in Parliament. The EU system does need clearing up. It's not, however, undemocratic.

[Red-Soldier]

May didn't answer any of Neil's questionsand looked a bit uncomfortable.

Corbyn seemed very relaxed and pleased about the situation, not uncomfortable at all.  You could draw the conclusion that's he's happy about the whole thing.

[SP]

https://youtu.be/hLqDIZwr378?t=2m47s

Got to admit it goes way over my head, can you clearly explain to a simpleton what exactly he was saying that was wrong?

The son of Lord Rees-Mogg moaning about undemocratic structures...

[jillcwhomever]

May didn't answer any of Neil's questionsand looked a bit uncomfortable.

Corbyn seemed very relaxed and pleased about the situation, not uncomfortable at all.  You could draw the conclusion that's he's happy about the whole thing.

And their lies the problem, no one from the two main parties is repsenting the views or fears from those who did not vote for leaving the EU. As a group we have been systimatically cast aside, and now its happening we are expected to get on the road to hell and be happy about it. Well I'm not and I won't.

[SP]

Sky Data interviewed a nationally representative sample of 1,018 Sky customers by SMS on 29 March 2017. Data is weighted to the profile of the population

A poll by text. Nasty.

[kennedy81]

https://youtu.be/hLqDIZwr378?t=2m47s

Got to admit it goes way over my head, can you clearly explain to a simpleton what exactly he was saying that was wrong?

In the interest of fairness, I gave him a listen. Had to turn it off however when he started blaming the EU for the rise of far-right politics in Europe. The ramblings of a lunatic.

Also, has anyone else noticed...? Uncanny.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Despite her weird style she actually conveys a sense of calm and order, the sort of which people who dont engage in politics (namely most people) actually like.

aye, she sounds like she's on top of things and sounds convincing, her actions and results are often different to that

[killer-heels]

aye, she sounds like she's on top of things and sounds convincing, her actions and results are often different to that

She's polled strongly for years with the public and Tory members so its absolutely no surprise that in this pre-negotiation, phony war she has polled strongly and come out looking good.

Thankfully, she is one of the least dynamic politicians going (which takes some doing in this age).

[Elmo!]

Sky Data interviewed a nationally representative sample of 1,018 Sky customers by SMS on 29 March 2017. Data is weighted to the profile of the population

A poll by text. Nasty.

Sky Data are not members of the British Polling Council so pretty much any polling standards are out the window.

[redbyrdz]

Sky Data interviewed a nationally representative sample of 1,018 Sky customers by SMS on 29 March 2017. Data is weighted to the profile of the population

A poll by text. Nasty.

A poll of Sky customers who are happy to answer political questions asked by their broadband/media provider, via text. Hardly a representative sample of the population.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

People that vote Brexit are not coherent. I challenge any Brexiters.  Make an argument

[Dr. Beaker]

Also, has anyone else noticed...? Uncanny.

With a slight touch of Charles Hawtrey

[SP]

People that vote Brexit are not coherent. I challenge any Brexiters.  Make an argument

Arguments in the Monty Python sense is not a bad analogy for what you will get. I believe you meant to ask for a coherent argument.

[Rastas]

Contribute or fuck off. What did you vote?

I didn't vote mate, hence why I'm not bed wetting. However if I had of voted I would like to think I would accept the decision of the people without cry arsing.

Quite interesting that you couldn't disprove anything he said, thanks to the others who attempted some sort of answer for a simpleton.

Watched a bit of Tommy Robinson "I know, don't tell me, I'm a racist, bigot etc... " interviewing some of those who were protesting for the remain the other day, quite amusing really considering the general theme on here is anyone who voted leave is thick as pig shit and didn't know what they were voting for.

[classycarra]

I didn't vote mate, hence why I'm not bed wetting. However if I had of voted I would like to think I would accept the decision of the people without cry arsing.

Quite interesting that you couldn't disprove anything he said, thanks to the others who attempted some sort of answer for a simpleton.

Watched a bit of Tommy Robinson "I know, don't tell me, I'm a racist, bigot etc... " interviewing some of those who were protesting for the remain the other day, quite amusing really considering the general theme on here is anyone who voted leave is thick as pig shit and didn't know what they were voting for.

It's pretty funny to see someone who didn't even have the courage of their own convictions to vote either way dishing out criticism of cry arsing.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I didn't vote mate, hence why I'm not bed wetting. However if I had of voted I would like to think I would accept the decision of the people without cry arsing.

Quite interesting that you couldn't disprove anything he said, thanks to the others who attempted some sort of answer for a simpleton.

Watched a bit of Tommy Robinson "I know, don't tell me, I'm a racist, bigot etc... " interviewing some of those who were protesting for the remain the other day, quite amusing really considering the general theme on here is anyone who voted leave is thick as pig shit and didn't know what they were voting for.

I disagree I think they knew EXACTLY what they voted for

And none of this has fuck all to do with you. You didn't even fucking vote

[Rastas]

It's pretty funny to see someone who didn't even have the courage of their own convictions to vote either way dishing out criticism of cry arsing.

No courage required mate, thought both sides were full of shit and didn't believe a word from either. I'm just gonna ride it out, which in essence is what we all have to do now, isn't it?

[Bunter]

Have these Brexiteers fist-pumping at the prospect of getting rid of immigrants seen David Davis' comments about immigration levels post-Brexit..? I'm gonna laugh my balls off when they finally realise they've been completely had off and been sold a pup.

Absolutely ridiculous its come to this. Some people have no grasp of the size of the task facing us, "just get on it with" will not suffice.

[oldfordie]

I didn't vote mate, hence why I'm not bed wetting. However if I had of voted I would like to think I would accept the decision of the people without cry arsing.

Quite interesting that you couldn't disprove anything he said, thanks to the others who attempted some sort of answer for a simpleton.

Watched a bit of Tommy Robinson "I know, don't tell me, I'm a racist, bigot etc... " interviewing some of those who were protesting for the remain the other day, quite amusing really considering the general theme on here is anyone who voted leave is thick as pig shit and didn't know what they were voting for.

The decision of the people wasn't a hard Brexit so why are you criticizing people for arguing this point.
You may not realize it but you've fell for the hard right leave campaigners speeches.