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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40880 on: January 4, 2017, 11:10:13 pm »
I hear that every year for about 10 now, its not arrogance, more a resignation.
Could this be the year you finish outside the top four but still qualify ;)
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40881 on: January 4, 2017, 11:12:22 pm »
This I liked I must admit. Iconic footy moment - albeit a bit mad.

Yeah it was brilliant. There were a few years around the turn of the Millenium where the only thing standing in the way of Man Utd and the title were Arsenal so I developed a bit of a soft spot for them. This was a wonderful moment for all United haters.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40882 on: January 4, 2017, 11:14:48 pm »
Yeah it was brilliant. There were a few years around the turn of the Millenium where the only thing standing in the way of Man Utd and the title were Arsenal so I developed a bit of a soft spot for them. This was a wonderful moment for all United haters.

speak for yourself. i find it pathetic, small time, hypocritical and embarrassing. if it's iconic, it's not for a good reason.

obviously that's just my opinion though

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40883 on: January 4, 2017, 11:23:50 pm »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40884 on: January 4, 2017, 11:55:28 pm »
Sanchez left the pitch with a massive cob on, furious with Giroud I suspect - check the background of the celebration pic and the vid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/04/alexis-sanchez-rages-francis-coquelin-injured-arsenal-title/

Mind you the report also said he had the hump all game.

Worth a cheeky £40,000,002 bid to stir things up a bit?  ;D

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40885 on: January 5, 2017, 10:45:50 am »
Sanchez is a tad overrated on here.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40886 on: January 5, 2017, 10:47:49 am »
Sanchez is a tad overrated on here.

In what sense? 13 goals and 7 assists already this season. Works his arse off for the team too. Would say he's actually a bit underrated.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40887 on: January 5, 2017, 10:56:06 am »
Sanchez is a tad overrated on here.

If he was our main forward, we'd be top of the league, as good as Chelsea have been, and as good as our front line has been even!
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40888 on: January 5, 2017, 10:56:47 am »
Sanchez is a tad overrated on here.

He is the difference for them.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40889 on: January 5, 2017, 11:40:21 am »

I'm a big fan of Giroud but I wouldn't expect to see that from one of our lads. Plus, I wouldn't attribute just him clawing the result back. Bournemouth couldn't adjust to losing Francis and Sanchez ran riot on the left for half an hour.

I would also says the subs and Wenger choosing them well played big part, was not implying Giroud was the only reason we got back into it.

We were not going to score in the remaining minutes. I have watched Wenger's Arsenal (I also watched those last few Bournemouth minutes unlike most here seem to have :P) for some time and what happened once it kicked off at 3-3 is the same I have seen for a long time. We lose our legs a bit, we lose the intensity of pressure and allow the other teams to play out a bit, our passes become wayward and careless. Unless Bournemouth were going to do a Frank Sinclair tribute, we aren't scoring.

Given we have done that pattern for years, Giroud's celebration was not the difference between us putting last ditch pressure or... well doing what we did. Not unless Giroud's celebrating caused a time vortex and actually we won in CL comebacks rather then constantly falling short and Giroud's celebrations changed all that. Reading in Carling Cup extra time is only time I have seen us win for some time with such a deficit comeback. In extra time.

Sanchez left the pitch with a massive cob on, furious with Giroud I suspect - check the background of the celebration pic and the vid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/04/alexis-sanchez-rages-francis-coquelin-injured-arsenal-title/

Mind you the report also said he had the hump all game.

Worth a cheeky £40,000,002 bid to stir things up a bit?  ;D

He had a massive row with Ramsey in first half and seemed grumpy throughout for whatever reason.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40890 on: January 5, 2017, 11:50:33 am »
No one's saying that mate. The game was still in play. There was still just enough time for Arsenal to win 2 VERY valuable points. Every second counted at this stage. Giroud ate into that valuable time with his cringeable celebration when he should have done what was best for the team and restarted the game ASAP.

By all means celebrate "what actually happened", as long as you do so when it's not detrimental to the team (in this case after the game instead of wasting 20+ seconds of time in which you can score a winner).

The time should have been added on anyway surely?
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40891 on: January 5, 2017, 11:54:07 am »
In what sense?
In the sense that I have him in my fantasy team and the number of times he makes me want to kick my fucking tv screen in suggests he's not as good as you all make out. He's no Suarez.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40892 on: January 5, 2017, 12:00:08 pm »
In the sense that I have him in my fantasy team and the number of times he makes me want to kick my fucking tv screen in suggests he's not as good as you all make out. He's no Suarez.

Nobody has ever said he's as good as Suarez, have they? He's on course to score about 25 goals and add 15 assists. I don't think that's been done for a long time. He's clearly one of the best players in the league.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40893 on: January 5, 2017, 12:04:04 pm »
The time should have been added on anyway surely?

I think the rule is that 30 seconds extra are added on for any goal scored in injury time, regardless if they kick off 20 seconds after the goal or 50.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40894 on: January 5, 2017, 12:05:05 pm »
The time should have been added on anyway surely?
Doesn't seem to happen for goal celebrations within the stoppage tme for some reason. Ref even blew 5 seconds before time was up, in fact.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40895 on: January 5, 2017, 12:10:47 pm »
We were not going to score in the remaining minutes. I have watched Wenger's Arsenal (I also watched those last few Bournemouth minutes unlike most here seem to have :P) for some time and what happened once it kicked off at 3-3 is the same I have seen for a long time. We lose our legs a bit, we lose the intensity of pressure and allow the other teams to play out a bit, our passes become wayward and careless. Unless Bournemouth were going to do a Frank Sinclair tribute, we aren't scoring.

Given we have done that pattern for years, Giroud's celebration was not the difference between us putting last ditch pressure or... well doing what we did. Not unless Giroud's celebrating caused a time vortex and actually we won in CL comebacks rather then constantly falling short and Giroud's celebrations changed all that. Reading in Carling Cup extra time is only time I have seen us win for some time with such a deficit comeback. In extra time.


I find this fascinating. So you're basically saying that Arsenal aren't the type of team that tries to win a winnable game late on, so there's no harm in dicking around doing Morecambe and Wise impressions in the dying minutes instead of trying to get the points?

And you seem ok with this? Aren't you angry that the players/manager/club have this type of attitude? Do other Arsenal fans feel the same? Is this what 20 years of Wenger does to a fan base? Please enlighten me!
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40896 on: January 5, 2017, 12:13:54 pm »
Nobody has ever said he's as good as Suarez, have they? He's on course to score about 25 goals and add 15 assists. I don't think that's been done for a long time. He's clearly one of the best players in the league.
Not in doubt I just don't think he's as good as some are making out.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40897 on: January 5, 2017, 12:19:42 pm »
Doesn't seem to happen for goal celebrations within the stoppage tme for some reason. Ref even blew 5 seconds before time was up, in fact.

Injury time is a joke sometimes. Our game against Sunderland for example. On my stream, the commentator said around 89:15 that there would be 5 minutes injury time. They had a player down, who was down for the best part of 2 minutes. So clearly the ref had decided before the player went down. That should have been 5 minutes, plus the time the player was down, plus any incidents after play restarted. Almost 8 minutes, yet he blew at around 95:30.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40898 on: January 5, 2017, 12:34:02 pm »
I find this fascinating. So you're basically saying that Arsenal aren't the type of team that tries to win a winnable game late on, so there's no harm in dicking around doing Morecambe and Wise impressions in the dying minutes instead of trying to get the points?

And you seem ok with this? Aren't you angry that the players/manager/club have this type of attitude? Do other Arsenal fans feel the same? Is this what 20 years of Wenger does to a fan base? Please enlighten me!

That wasn't what I was saying at all.

I never said we didn't try to win or that we never do but when the time comes, we fail. The energy runs out, we lose everything that got us back into the position including the way we pass.

I also didn't say I was ok with that failing. We could have a discussion about why we struggle to make the finishing punch down the years, what could fix it but apparently all everyone wants to do is blame it on Giroud celebrating a goal, becuase the universe was so outraged, it changed history. That is what I'm arguing against, we should talk about the actual problems, not one image that allows for a bit of moral outrage.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40899 on: January 5, 2017, 12:51:23 pm »
That wasn't what I was saying at all.

I never said we didn't try to win or that we never do but when the time comes, we fail. The energy runs out, we lose everything that got us back into the position including the way we pass.

Fair enough  :thumbup That's a huge problem for a team with aspirations to have. I wonder what's the root cause of it.


I also didn't say I was ok with that failing. We could have a discussion about why we struggle to make the finishing punch down the years, what could fix it but apparently all everyone wants to do is blame it on Giroud celebrating a goal, becuase the universe was so outraged, it changed history. That is what I'm arguing against, we should talk about the actual problems, not one image that allows for a bit of moral outrage.

Well it was a stupid thing to do in the circumstances, something you wouldn't see from the type of successful club that Arsenal should aspire to be like. It may have been a small thing, but marginal gains, etc. I guess the "outrage" is because it encapsulates one of Wenger's biggest failings - that lack of killer instinct that has seen worse teams (on paper) outperform them. Even back when you were good, there were times when worse Man Utd teams would pip you to the title (I'm thinking 1999 & 2003 in particular) precisely because they wanted to win so much more than Arsenal. That mentality, which the celebration epitomised, is an actual problem in my opinion.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40900 on: January 5, 2017, 01:38:06 pm »
Weird, I missed that somehow.

It's from the 18/19 season on.
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2398899.html

The top four clubs from the four top-ranked national associations will now qualify automatically for the group stage of the UEFA Champions League.

A new system for the club coefficients: clubs will be judged on their own records (deletion of the country share for individual club coefficient unless that coefficient is lower than 20% of the association's coefficient).
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40901 on: January 5, 2017, 03:07:42 pm »
It's from the 18/19 season on.
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2398899.html

The top four clubs from the four top-ranked national associations will now qualify automatically for the group stage of the UEFA Champions League.

A new system for the club coefficients: clubs will be judged on their own records (deletion of the country share for individual club coefficient unless that coefficient is lower than 20% of the association's coefficient).
Cheers. Good for us I suppose, if not for the smaller clubs/countries.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40902 on: January 5, 2017, 03:33:15 pm »
Cheers. Good for us I suppose, if not for the smaller clubs/countries.

Yes. There's also an element of seeding that is based on what you've won in Europe before, which is good for us, but bad for Arsenal.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40903 on: January 5, 2017, 03:37:33 pm »
Yes. There's also an element of seeding that is based on what you've won in Europe before, which is good for us, but bad for Arsenal.

How far back are they going with this? Does our 2005 win still count for the seedings?

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40904 on: January 5, 2017, 03:40:30 pm »
How far back are they going with this? Does our 2005 win still count for the seedings?

Probably.

As far as I understand it, you get more money if you are a 'legacy' team, a bit like Ferrari in F1.  So this enables major teams like RM and Barca to get more revenue out of the CL to compete with the EPL more easily.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40905 on: January 5, 2017, 03:43:05 pm »
How far back are they going with this? Does our 2005 win still count for the seedings?

Details have yet to emerge, I'm hoping they go back as far as, say, 1977, myself. But I think 2005 should count, as that's the competition in its current form. All it says at the moment is:

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No mention of a time limit.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40906 on: January 5, 2017, 03:48:43 pm »
The games rigged. Just watched a world cup fixed video on YouTube. It showed the Italy Korea game the draw being fixed etc. Here's my prediction neymar wasn't injured at last world cup Brazil will win in Qatar.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40907 on: January 5, 2017, 04:01:57 pm »
The games rigged. Just watched a world cup fixed video on YouTube. It showed the Italy Korea game the draw being fixed etc. Here's my prediction neymar wasn't injured at last world cup Brazil will win in Qatar.


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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40908 on: January 5, 2017, 04:03:53 pm »

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No, he's totally clued up. Gets all his info straight from YouTube and posts in exactly the relevant thread.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40909 on: January 5, 2017, 04:17:10 pm »
No, he's totally clued up. Gets all his info straight from YouTube and posts in exactly the relevant thread.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40910 on: January 5, 2017, 04:22:25 pm »
It's not hard to watch a five minute video Italy Korea AND Korea Spain were rigged. The draws Ares rigged. But if you wanna call me an idiot fine. Look for yourself.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40911 on: January 5, 2017, 04:24:53 pm »
It's not hard to watch a five minute video Italy Korea AND Korea Spain were rigged. The draws Ares rigged. But if you wanna call me an idiot fine. Look for yourself.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40912 on: January 5, 2017, 04:41:49 pm »
Better to watch the video first but nah you'd rather be a troll. (Not replying again)

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40913 on: January 5, 2017, 04:48:59 pm »
Better to watch the video first but nah you'd rather be a troll. (Not replying again)

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40914 on: January 5, 2017, 05:52:30 pm »
I find this fascinating. So you're basically saying that Arsenal aren't the type of team that tries to win a winnable game late on, so there's no harm in dicking around doing Morecambe and Wise impressions in the dying minutes instead of trying to get the points?

And you seem ok with this? Aren't you angry that the players/manager/club have this type of attitude? Do other Arsenal fans feel the same? Is this what 20 years of Wenger does to a fan base? Please enlighten me!

Think AFC has won a lot of late points this season, the rest of the team were giving it the "get back to the half way line", and Giroud was having a good shout.  Gabriel (what a lad) ran straight in to the away end and got mobbed by the fans for a good half minute though.  I don't see the need for outrage, it's pretty hilarious if you think about it.

I do think the mentality of the team in situations where they have to dig in and grind out a result rather than play fancy triangles can be a problem.  The pic of Keown shouting at RVN reminded me of the side a little before that with him alongside Adams, Winterburn and Dixon - who took turns scything through opposition players to batter them in to deciding not to attack for many games, with anecdotes that Adams would shout in the dressing room at half time and tell the whole team to get stuck in to the point he'd be screaming in their face.

At the moment apparently they sit in silence for 10 minutes and Wenger arrives for the last 5, and tells them to a) get on with it, b) play a better, or c) that nobody better get injured as he only makes subs on 70+ mins.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40915 on: January 5, 2017, 07:02:17 pm »
Ty from Arsenal Fan TV arguing with 14 year old kids in the street :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/DanieIAFC/status/817054173959168000

Then Claude shows up and tells him to grow up

https://twitter.com/DanieIAFC/status/817077587675611136


Fucking hilarious, the best part is, Ty reveals he's 46 years old. And he dresses like that...
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40916 on: January 5, 2017, 08:02:44 pm »
The games rigged. Just watched a world cup fixed video on YouTube. It showed the Italy Korea game the draw being fixed etc. Here's my prediction neymar wasn't injured at last world cup Brazil will win in Qatar.
YouTube is about as factually correct as the Daily Mail.
Then in the midddle out pops a smiling glen johnson pulling up his jersey to reveal a t-shirt of suarez with a text saying. "OUR SUAREZ IS A FRIEND TO ALL COLOURS!"

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40917 on: January 5, 2017, 08:12:47 pm »
The Italy Korea game was live on TV don't you remember. So was the draw please watch first and draw your own conclusions.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #40918 on: January 5, 2017, 08:14:36 pm »
Ty from Arsenal Fan TV arguing with 14 year old kids in the street :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/DanieIAFC/status/817054173959168000

Then Claude shows up and tells him to grow up

https://twitter.com/DanieIAFC/status/817077587675611136


Fucking hilarious, the best part is, Ty reveals he's 46 years old. And he dresses like that...

Arsenal fan tv is basically a cartoon show at this point.

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« Reply #40919 on: January 5, 2017, 09:33:39 pm »
The Italy Korea game was live on TV don't you remember. So was the draw please watch first and draw your own conclusions.
Korea beat Italy fair and square.  Talk about a bad loser.  I bet you're still bitter over 1966 too.