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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2016, 07:21:08 am »
I don't understand why Klopp doesn't play him more. Can and Henderson could use some rest. He's shorter than Can, but they are both pretty useless in aerials anyway.

I get the feeling that Allen will be sold to make space for a new player.

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2016, 07:43:50 am »
Apparently his contract is until 2017.

If he keeps this up..even if hes sold, he would still fetch a good price. He is still only 25-26.

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2016, 07:57:29 am »
Apparently his contract is until 2017.

If he keeps this up..even if hes sold, he would still fetch a good price. He is still only 25-26.
Yes, maybe that's the problem. Henderson is better. Can is younger, bigger and has more potential to improve. Lucas offers something different. Allen could be sacrificed. Plus, if we get a new expensive midfielder Allen would probably not even make the bench. He's too good for that.

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Re: The welsh Xavi.
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2016, 08:03:05 am »
Got to start instead of Can, deserves it.

Would like to see Joe start ahead of Can on Saturday. Think Can needs a break, and he has played 120min yesterday.. So guess it would be a good time now!

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2016, 08:05:43 am »
I don't understand why Klopp doesn't play him more. Can and Henderson could use some rest. He's shorter than Can, but they are both pretty useless in aerials anyway.

I get the feeling that Allen will be sold to make space for a new player.
With Grujic already signed for next season I fully expect Allen to be on his way in the summer as he doesn't have the athleticism Klopp looks for in a midfielder.

That said, he is here at the moment and in my opinion is being underused. Can is looking tired and out of form while Lucas struggles with two games every three days. The teams performances have looked tired and starting Allen and Smith more often could freshen things up a bit. 
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2016, 09:16:17 am »
His performances when called upon should earn him more game time. It would give Can and Henderson some rest.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2016, 09:20:19 am »
He has had a big impact in 3 of our last 5matches with an assist, goal and important last penalty, he deserves to get a fair chance in the starting 11, can is out of form and erratic with possession at the moment, where as when Joe has come on he really has got us going again. Hopefully he's given a fair shot before the talk of moving him on in the summer.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2016, 09:23:23 am »
I think he's more than earned a couple of starts. Our midfield was shambolic yesterday until he came on. Can, Henderson and Milner could hardly pass in a straight line and always seemed to be miles away from eachother, and Lucas was having genuine trouble just keeping his footing until he moved to centre back and played quite well. Allen is a very tidy player who can keep some control and some possession, something I don't think any of our other midfielders are capable of, or at least haven't show that they are capable of it over the last few weeks/months.

Can needs some time out of the team IMO, there's a player in there but he's not yet at the level. What we lack in there is a bit of intelligence.

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2016, 09:42:56 am »
There will be lot of tired players against West ham so I'd think he'd start then

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2016, 10:19:46 am »
henderson's recent form has been terrible and Can's even worse....if he doesnt get game time now he never will
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2016, 10:21:04 am »
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2016, 10:49:20 am »
henderson's recent form has been terrible and Can's even worse....if he doesnt get game time now he never will

Correct: Not an Allen fan but Can and hendo are doing nothing at the moment.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2016, 11:29:21 am »
Don't know why Klopp hasn't given him more chances. He's earned them. Height alone (as a reason) doesn't seem really convincing. We concede anyway.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2016, 02:46:50 pm »
Always liked him

Just another case of modern fans expecting him to be something he's not

He's tidy and hard working
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2016, 02:48:39 pm »
Don't know why Klopp hasn't given him more chances. He's earned them. Height alone (as a reason) doesn't seem really convincing. We concede anyway.

I surmise it's probably due more to durability and not changing what works. On the one hand, I don't think Allen can put the same mileage on his legs as Can and Henderson. His injury record doesn't suggest he can play 90 minutes every three to five days irrespective of form. On the other hand, however, I don't think Henderson or Can are good impact subs. Allen seems more capable of making an immediate impact in a short time than Can or Henderson. In an ideal world, I think Allen would start given his recent contributions, but I reckon he has the most value to the team playing as a sub right now. It's not quite fair, but he might just win us a trophy!

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2016, 02:48:49 pm »
I always hear how people mock the 15m we paid for him, for me he is worth it. I love him because people are idiots in the way they behave towards him. They do not understand how good he is. I think he wont fit us going forward tho, but thats cos of the style i think we will have. He is too small.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2016, 02:55:48 pm »
Always liked him

Just another case of modern fans expecting him to be something he's not

He's tidy and hard working
What are modern fans expecting him to be?



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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2016, 02:59:31 pm »
I surmise it's probably due more to durability and not changing what works.

I guess our grievance would be that it hasn't been particularly working. We've had some great performances but they've been surrounded by average or poor ones. I'd agree that Allen is worth more as a sub if I did think it was working, but right now, I think we need his composure in midfield the whole 90 minutes.

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2016, 03:15:58 pm »
What are modern fans expecting him to be?

he dribbles the whole opposition team and score at least 10 every game


Welsh Pirlo is boss....we'll probably sell him or let him go on a free and buy some fancy name player than cannot do half what Joe does
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2016, 03:25:13 pm »
Always rated him, he stepped his game up even more now. Sprayed some risky long ball passes when he came on and they all came off. What a penalty as well. Criminal that he isn't used more.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2016, 03:30:10 pm »
Always rated him

Same. Think his range of passing is not appreciated because he almost always retains possession by making the easy pass. He had a couple 30 yard passes yesterday that were quite lovely.

Like many other people have said though, I agree that he might not be what klopp is looking for as a starting midfield. It's weird, but can we have a super-sub midfield? That title is usually saved for strikers (dzeko, hernandez, etc.,)

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2016, 03:32:10 pm »
He isn't good enough.

We've had these crushes on players over the years, and they're what have held us back. We think too much with our heart. We like an underdog.

We need better than Joe Allen, as a starter. He just isn't good enough to take us where we want to go. Can and Henderson haven't been up to much lately, and he still can't get into the team, despite going through his purple patch.

Also, our midfield in general is a long way off what it needs to be, so of course he's going to look less out of his depth when he does perform.

Decent squad player, but not anything more.

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2016, 03:43:24 pm »
I don't understand why Klopp doesn't play him more. Can and Henderson could use some rest. He's shorter than Can, but they are both pretty useless in aerials anyway.

I get the feeling that Allen will be sold to make space for a new player.
I think Klopp has had a thing for Emre, such a hyped player in Germany. But still so young. He wants to give him a shot and see how he develops. But he also had to come in mid-season and learn the rest of the squad. I'm sure he's been strongly considering giving players like Joe more of a run-out... it's tricky.

But yeah, spot on with both Hendo and Can being useless in aerials (bizarre to me that Can is so poor in this aspect of the game still). And then you see the sly Lucas either nipping in and winning these headers cleanly, or at least getting physical and cleverly putting a bigger man way off.

For now this is what we have. There will be some rotation here and there, Klopp will try some things depending on form and fitness. But won't be until summer window when we start seeing his ideas take ship in midfield, depending on what kind of players we try to bring in.

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2016, 04:45:35 pm »
He isn't good enough.




Decent squad player

Pick one. We actually do need decent squad players.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2016, 04:51:23 pm »
Always liked him

Just another case of modern fans expecting him to be something he's not

He's tidy and hard working

And in his recent appearances has added goals, which was always something held against him - lack of end product. For me should start at the weekend, has earned it and is much more rested than others in the same spot.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2016, 04:55:05 pm »
He deserves a start on current form, but long term i'm not sure where his future is. Next season we'll have Henderson, Milner, Can, Grujic, Lucas who all play CM. And I still have hopes the club will go big on a top CM at some point soon
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2016, 05:01:10 pm »
Pick one. We actually do need decent squad players.

I'm clearly talking about as a starter. You knew that though because I actually said it in the post.

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2016, 05:03:35 pm »
I'm clearly talking about as a starter. You knew that though because I actually said it in the post.
So a squad player is someone who doesn't start games? Interesting.

Allen is perfectly capable of starting games to rest the likes of Can, Henderson and Lucas, that those three continue to play regardless of form or fitness is of detriment to the team.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2016, 05:37:08 pm »
He's doing really well at the moment, another big performance on Saturday and he'll surely be set for a run in the team.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2016, 05:45:10 pm »
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2016, 06:53:42 pm »
I'm confused, Pirlo, Xavi, or Gatusso?
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2016, 07:09:49 pm »
He's better than Can and if a manager is not picking a player because of size then that's madness.

Remember reading a quote from Alonso talking English players saying that tackling was their main attribute. He disagreed and said you should keep the ball and if you lose it then it's about positioning.

Can and Henderson do everything in a hurry so nice to have composure.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2016, 07:11:50 pm »

We should only buy players who can look that liverbird level in the eyes.

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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2016, 07:15:06 pm »
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2016, 07:16:08 pm »
I honestly cannot believe the difference under  Klopp.   Didn't think he was good enough, hats off to the lad proven me wrong recently.
Shows that we have to give players time with Klopp and not write players off to early.
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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2016, 07:16:35 pm »
So a squad player is someone who doesn't start games? Interesting.


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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2016, 08:15:17 pm »
...

This conversation may be going nowhere. You both think he is an adequate squad player (I think), so there's that.

Hope he gets a well deserved start against west ham.


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Re: The welsh Pirlo.
« Reply #79 on: January 27, 2016, 10:03:39 pm »
I surmise it's probably due more to durability and not changing what works. On the one hand, I don't think Allen can put the same mileage on his legs as Can and Henderson. His injury record doesn't suggest he can play 90 minutes every three to five days irrespective of form. On the other hand, however, I don't think Henderson or Can are good impact subs. Allen seems more capable of making an immediate impact in a short time than Can or Henderson. In an ideal world, I think Allen would start given his recent contributions, but I reckon he has the most value to the team playing as a sub right now. It's not quite fair, but he might just win us a trophy!
Didn't Allen have some very impressive stats for miles run per game a couple of years ago?

Anyway, he's a decent player. His main issue here has always been that he kept picking up injuries. Like Sakho, he's been a player that was very seldom in form. But I don't understand why he's not used more now. It's not like there wouldn't be any matches left for Can.