Author Topic: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez (Read 775101 times)

DanA · « **Reply #880 on:** July 17, 2016, 02:21:32 am »

Quote from: Welshred on July 16, 2016, 03:51:58 pm

It's not harsh, it's scientific fact

But it's not. I did a lot of research on this a while back and read studies that found 79% of NFL players returned to play NFL and that NFL team doctors expected 90-100% of athletes will return provided they aren't borderline talents.

There is a huge difference between professional and amateur, there is a huge difference between 18 y.o and 27 y.o and there is a huge difference between someone who got their knee surgery in 1998 vs 2016.

Eeyore · « **Reply #881 on:** July 17, 2016, 02:46:30 am »

Quote from: DanA on July 17, 2016, 02:21:32 am

But it's not. I did a lot of research on this a while back and read studies that found 79% of NFL players returned to play NFL and that NFL team doctors expected 90-100% of athletes will return provided they aren't borderline talents.

There is a huge difference between professional and amateur, there is a huge difference between 18 y.o and 27 y.o and there is a huge difference between someone who got their knee surgery in 1998 vs 2016.

To be fair what does returning to the NFL actually mean. The question has to be can Gomez return to the same level that he was before. Even if he does he will of lost a year of development.

An ACL is a crushing blow. Let's hope Gomez disproves the reality of suffering such an injury but the odds are against him.

fewmin' bedwetter · « **Reply #882 on:** July 21, 2016, 10:06:21 am »

Gomez and Sakho both on plane to US.

Funny - "nursing achilles injury" sounds so much better than "recovering from long-term ACL" - go JoMez!! (And Mama)

Samie · « **Reply #883 on:** July 21, 2016, 04:12:53 pm »

Jomez is on the US tour.

tubby · « **Reply #884 on:** July 21, 2016, 04:14:39 pm »

If he can actually get up and running around a month into the season, then Flanagan on loan makes more sense now.

red mongoose · « **Reply #885 on:** July 21, 2016, 04:27:14 pm »

Quote from: Samie on July 21, 2016, 04:12:53 pm

Jomez is on the US tour.

Best of luck to the lad. He deserves better luck than he has had (which I suppose you could say about anyone who gets injured, but still).

BER · « **Reply #886 on:** July 21, 2016, 04:39:52 pm »

Quote from: tubby on July 21, 2016, 04:14:39 pm

If he can actually get up and running around a month into the season, then Flanagan on loan makes more sense now.

Last thing he needs is minutes at fullback.

King Klopp. · « **Reply #887 on:** July 21, 2016, 05:54:05 pm »

Still gutted at these injuries to be honest. He has so much potential. Could be our Stones - except good at defending - in the sense of being a young lad bought for under £5m and 2/3 years later he's valued at £35m+

Really hopeful of he could become and so hope the injuries are behind him. Personally thinking this season is just about getting fit and staying fit. Play maybe 25ish games and then next season when fully fit he makes a play for the starting CB role.

Pace, strength, composure, height. Could be the perfect CB. Sort of similar to Jerome Boateng.

Nutella · « **Reply #888 on:** July 22, 2016, 08:14:55 am »

Delighted to see him on tour with the rest of the lads. Hopefully this is the last injury problem he has and goes on to have a memorable career with us.

rocco · « **Reply #889 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:08:50 am »

Quote from: Samie on July 21, 2016, 04:12:53 pm

Jomez is on the US tour.

What's up with them traveling with full football socks ?

DeLeiva · « **Reply #890 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:09:17 am »

Quote from: rocco on July 22, 2016, 09:08:50 am

What's up with them traveling with full football socks ?

Serious?

killer-heels · « **Reply #891 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:50:37 am »

Quote from: tubby on July 21, 2016, 04:14:39 pm

If he can actually get up and running around a month into the season, then Flanagan on loan makes more sense now.

Surely he will take longer than that? Dunno, one for WelshRed that question to provide maybe some insight.

Would it not take a good 2 or 3 months of solid training? He hasn't even returned to full contact training yet.

Chig · « **Reply #892 on:** July 22, 2016, 11:11:47 am »

Quote from: rocco on July 22, 2016, 09:08:50 am

What's up with them traveling with full football socks ?

Is compression socks: helps with recovery (control swelling in muscles) and to prevent DVT.

Mizerooskie · « **Reply #893 on:** July 22, 2016, 12:56:18 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on July 17, 2016, 02:46:30 am

To be fair what does returning to the NFL actually mean. The question has to be can Gomez return to the same level that he was before. Even if he does he will of lost a year of development.

An ACL is a crushing blow. Let's hope Gomez disproves the reality of suffering such an injury but the odds are against him.

These are merely anectdotal, but Adrian Peterson returned the season after tearing his ACL to lead the NFL in rushing. Todd Gurley tore his ACL during his final NFL season and played in the NFL the following season, and was considered one of the best running backs in the NFL that season. I struggle to think of a role in professional sport that is more violent on the knees than NFL running back, so Joe is far from doomed.

xbugawugax · « **Reply #894 on:** July 22, 2016, 01:10:46 pm »

Quote from: Samie on July 21, 2016, 04:12:53 pm

Jomez is on the US tour.

off the tarmac straight on to the pitch with those socks...

hope he plays some part in the tour if the medical team feels he is ready enough.

killer-heels · « **Reply #895 on:** July 22, 2016, 03:41:40 pm »

Quote from: xbugawugax on July 22, 2016, 01:10:46 pm

off the tarmac straight on to the pitch with those socks...

hope he plays some part in the tour if the medical team feels he is ready enough.

He isnt even in contact training yet.

Welshred · « **Reply #896 on:** July 22, 2016, 06:01:44 pm »

By my reckoning his 9 months post-surgery passed yesterday. He should be able to start contact training once his achilles has settled down. I reckon 6-8 weeks is a conservative estimate to get him back playing regularly

rocco · « **Reply #897 on:** July 22, 2016, 06:41:49 pm »

Quote from: Chig on July 22, 2016, 11:11:47 am

Is compression socks: helps with recovery (control swelling in muscles) and to prevent DVT.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #898 on:** July 22, 2016, 08:46:18 pm »

Quote from: Welshred on July 22, 2016, 06:01:44 pm

By my reckoning his 9 months post-surgery passed yesterday. He should be able to start contact training once his achilles has settled down. I reckon 6-8 weeks is a conservative estimate to get him back playing regularly

What kind of things would they be doing to treat his achillies issue?

newterp · « **Reply #899 on:** July 22, 2016, 08:47:13 pm »

Quote from: Kinky Kenneth on July 22, 2016, 08:46:18 pm

What kind of things would they be doing to treat his achillies issue?

Shrugs and bicep curls?

TepidT2O · « **Reply #900 on:** July 22, 2016, 08:57:13 pm »

Quote from: newterp on July 22, 2016, 08:47:13 pm

Shrugs and bicep curls?

For his ankle?

newterp · « **Reply #901 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:06:57 pm »

Quote from: Kinky Kenneth on July 22, 2016, 08:57:13 pm

For his ankle?

Hmm lack of smiley face at play here. Haha

MrRaptorTurtle · « **Reply #902 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:22:40 pm »

Quote from: rocco on July 22, 2016, 09:08:50 am

What's up with them traveling with full football socks ?

Full kit wankers

Welshred · « **Reply #903 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:51:59 pm »

Quote from: Kinky Kenneth on July 22, 2016, 08:46:18 pm

What kind of things would they be doing to treat his achillies issue?

Just basics but there'd be a lot of eccentric exercises (activating the muscle whilst it is getting longer rather than it's normal mechanism of shortening when contracting), reducing the load through the tendon, relative rest to allow healing alongside adjunctive therapies such as ultrasound, which some people feel can encourage collagen growth to help repair the tendon. There's a few other things out there that can be used and I'm sure the staff at the club are well up to date with current evidence.

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #904 on:** July 22, 2016, 10:01:40 pm »

Quote from: rocco on July 22, 2016, 09:08:50 am

What's up with them traveling with full football socks ?

Could be compression socks for a long-haul flight

TepidT2O · « **Reply #905 on:** July 22, 2016, 10:15:51 pm »

Quote from: Welshred on July 22, 2016, 09:51:59 pm

Just basics but there'd be a lot of eccentric exercises (activating the muscle whilst it is getting longer rather than it's normal mechanism of shortening when contracting), reducing the load through the tendon, relative rest to allow healing alongside adjunctive therapies such as ultrasound, which some people feel can encourage collagen growth to help repair the tendon. There's a few other things out there that can be used and I'm sure the staff at the club are well up to date with current evidence.

I'm only asking because I get pain in my Achilles after exercise

I'm trying to leech a free treatment plan ....

Successfully avoiding any exercise has worked quite well for the last 15 years though

Welshred · « **Reply #906 on:** July 22, 2016, 10:19:39 pm »

I'll give you basics, I'll not give you a treatment plan

Notorious IT · « **Reply #907 on:** September 2, 2016, 10:20:44 am »

Any idea the latest on when Joe is due back to action?

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #908 on:** October 14, 2016, 12:45:21 pm »

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/joe-gomez-back-liverpool-training-12024435

He's back.

Petadroli · « **Reply #909 on:** October 14, 2016, 12:46:40 pm »

Quote from: Kopenhagen on October 14, 2016, 12:45:21 pm

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/joe-gomez-back-liverpool-training-12024435

He's back.

Great touch by the team to applaud him. It must have been incredibly hard for him, after his flying start under Rodgers. I hope we'll see him soon (Christmas?) in action!

BritishGas · « **Reply #910 on:** October 14, 2016, 01:45:21 pm »

Every now and again I remember Joe Gomez exists and I realise all is good in the world

4pool · « **Reply #911 on:** October 14, 2016, 02:11:34 pm »

Klopp said in todays presser a long way to go yet but happy to have him back. Talked about the great moment when the lads applauded Joe back.

thelinnen · « **Reply #912 on:** October 14, 2016, 03:12:47 pm »

Will be great to have him back, he's so comfortable with the ball for a centre back.

didi shamone · « **Reply #913 on:** October 14, 2016, 03:33:23 pm »

Balls of an injury at a developmental stage of his career. It'll be a slow road back. We'll do well to see him start this season for us I'd say. May even need a loan out for games. Good to see him back though.

redk84 · « **Reply #914 on:** October 14, 2016, 03:40:02 pm »

hope his recovery goes well.....stock has gone up since he's been out and im sure he's desperate to be playing again but just needs to make sure he's good to go when called upon.

nice touch on the applause for him

CraigDS · « **Reply #915 on:** October 14, 2016, 03:42:19 pm »

Quote from: didi shamone on October 14, 2016, 03:33:23 pm

We'll do well to see him start this season for us I'd say.

There are 7 months of the season left, of course we'll see him make a start this season - well fitness wise he'll be able to anyway, assuming he shows the ability he was before the injury.

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #916 on:** October 14, 2016, 03:46:39 pm »

Quote from: redk84 on October 14, 2016, 03:40:02 pm

hope his recovery goes well.....stock has gone up since he's been out and im sure he's desperate to be playing again but just needs to make sure he's good to go when called upon.

nice touch on the applause for him

Up? Have to disagree there. His stock seems pretty low now, after his very promising start in 2015.

I really hope the ACL tear didn't affect his athleticism and speed too much.

redk84 · « **Reply #917 on:** October 14, 2016, 04:57:05 pm »

Quote from: Kopenhagen on October 14, 2016, 03:46:39 pm

Up? Have to disagree there. His stock seems pretty low now, after his very promising start in 2015.

I really hope the ACL tear didn't affect his athleticism and speed too much.

fair enough. I just hear a lot waiting/wishing for him to return.....for a kid with a handful of games I reckon he's done well to even be remembered! (in a nice way) Let alone have anything expected of him

I'm very interested to see how he does under Klopp tho must say

didi shamone · « **Reply #918 on:** October 15, 2016, 04:28:46 pm »

Quote from: CraigDS on October 14, 2016, 03:42:19 pm

There are 7 months of the season left, of course we'll see him make a start this season - well fitness wise he'll be able to anyway, assuming he shows the ability he was before the injury.

Hope so but there's a few ifs and buts. I'm just thinking a loan move in January would be good for him. Having missed so much football at a crucial stage of his career, it's no use warming the bench.

ZeusMetallica · « **Reply #919 on:** October 15, 2016, 05:15:25 pm »

Quote from: didi shamone on October 15, 2016, 04:28:46 pm

Hope so but there's a few ifs and buts. I'm just thinking a loan move in January would be good for him. Having missed so much football at a crucial stage of his career, it's no use warming the bench.

I agree. Give him a Klopp pre-season now, then let him train with the team until then and when the window reopens, send him to a good club to get minutes under his belt.