Topic: Sakho

[rocco]

Does he get paid while banned ? I would imagine not.

hope not

[lionel_messias]

I love Sakho, how he plays and leads on the pitch, and his charity work off the pitch is something to be lauded.

But it's hard to comprehend how badly he has let down LFC, the fans, his teammates, the coaches and his country.

This I'm afraid.

We come into our first European semi-final for years and our best defender is not available to help.

With the best feelings towards Sakho in the world, I think he's torpedoed his LFC career with this mistake.

[Redman0151]

Yes it does, even if back in 6 months, Klopp (and the club) will have to plan without him and replace. Sakho will have to come back as a squad player at best.

He'll just start the season with Lovren/Matip (Which I think he would have done anyway), if it goes well then sorted, if not then Sakho is ready to come in and replace the weak link by ~October time. Seems easy enough

[CraigDS]

Yes it does, even if back in 6 months, Klopp (and the club) will have to plan without him and replace. Sakho will have to come back as a squad player at best.

In what way has what you just said got to do with what I replied to....

Seems likely that he won't play for Liverpool next season.

If he's banned for 6 months then he's back at the end of October, i.e. NOT all of next season.

Now he may not get back into the team, but that's not what he said or what I replied to.

[Nick110581]

Top guy with character but he's fucked up.

Will stand by him though and hope ban is just six months.

[lionel_messias]

He'll just start the season with Lovren/Matip (Which I think he would have done anyway), if it goes well then sorted, if not then Sakho is ready to come in and replace the weak link by ~October time. Seems easy enough

Maybe but I think we'll also sign another centre half in the summer, possibly from Germany, possibly younger, possibly called Jonathan Tah.

[Chakan]

Maybe but I think we'll also sign another centre half in the summer, possibly from Germany, possibly younger, possibly called Jonathan Tah.

We do have Gomez coming back as well.

[Nick110581]

Do we know when he will find out?

[Redman0151]

We do have Gomez coming back as well.

Yep.

Lovren, Matip, Sakho, Toure, Gomez and Lucas can still fill in. I think he'll be happy with that. Then he can fix the more pressing issues of GK, LB, CM or wherever

[riismeister]

Did he take a banned substance? Yes
Did he get caught? Yes
Will he now face a ban? Yes Maybe

If he makes a good case that he was assured whatever he took contained no illegal substances and had no reason to believe they did and the ruling body believes him, then his punishment can be as little as a warning.

[4pool]

This is where we are at with Uefa...I hope:

i) Specified substances
Where the anti-doping rule violation involves a specified substance,
and the player or other person can establish no significant fault or
negligence, then the minimum sanction is a reprimand and no period
of suspension and the maximum sanction two years of suspension,
depending on the player or other person’s degree of fault.

[.adam]

This is where we are at with Uefa...I hope:

i) Specified substances
Where the anti-doping rule violation involves a specified substance,
and the player or other person can establish no significant fault or
negligence, then the minimum sanction is a reprimand and no period
of suspension and the maximum sanction two years of suspension,
depending on the player or other person’s degree of fault.

2 year ban.

That is the Uefa minimum for a first time drug offence.

The club will appeal and try to get it reduced. Your guess as good as mine as to what, if any, it might be reduced to.

[ThePeetmix]

How a professional athlete feels the need to use dieting pills is beyond me. Sakho comes across really well and I'm sure he's a great guy but he should've known better. The club will rightly be furious about this given he's supposed to run this stuff by the club doctors plus a lengthy ban will cost Liverpool millions.

I understand exactly why professional athletes take them more than regular people. Some people naturally put on more weight than others and it's harder for them to maintain. I think it was Kolo that said after he was found guilty that he always struggled to manage his weight. These guys are playing at the top level of a professional sport and will feel pressure to make sure they can stay there.

So I can understand why a professional athlete might do something like in this case, but I can't support it because the substance is banned. We'll wait and see what UEFA decide is a suitable punishment.

[diegoLFC7]

Everyone slating the fan base for not backing Mamadou 100%, and I agree. We should be backing him till the grave, his passion for LFC is second to none. His charity work is also something to be admired. He's going to go through a rough patch but will be back better than ever.

[CraigDS]

Everyone slating the fan base for not backing Mamadou 100%, and I agree. We should be backing him till the grave, his passion for LFC is second to none. His charity work is also something to be admired. He's going to go through a rough patch but will be back better than ever.

Who isn't backing him? No one is saying we should sack him and to get him out of the club.

However identifying he has done something wrong and deserves a ban, as I imagine he now realises himself, if not 'not backing' him.

[Xanderzone]

I'm quite angry with him, to be honest.

Last thing we needed right now. Things have been looking good under Klopp ahead of going into next season and we're in with a chance of winning the Europa.

This is something we really didn't want to have to be dealing with right now.

[Anfield89]

Everyone slating the fan base for not backing Mamadou 100%, and I agree. We should be backing him till the grave, his passion for LFC is second to none. His charity work is also something to be admired. He's going to go through a rough patch but will be back better than ever.

Jesus Christ he has basically admittied it himself. He's made a mistake, acknoledge that and move on. He should not be sacked/sold. He should have known what he can and can't have players are informed about changes to the rules regarding substances so checks should be made if your thinking of taking something.

Gutted he can't play but don't feel pissed off or let down either.

[thelinnen]

Everyone slating the fan base for not backing Mamadou 100%, and I agree. We should be backing him till the grave, his passion for LFC is second to none. His charity work is also something to be admired. He's going to go through a rough patch but will be back better than ever.

At the end of the day he is paid more money than any of us can ever imagine to keep his body in athlete condition and to ensure that he doesn't take anything he isn't supposed to. If he did it knowing it was a banned substance then I for one won't be sad to see the back of him.

[Romeo Sensini]

I haven't been scouring the articles but they haven't released exactly what he has been taking yet? Just vaguely using "fat burner". I see a lot of people assuming it could be run of the mill diet pills. It's certainly possible.

If it was something like AICAR, Cardarine, or some other SARM, he would be fucked for sure. Clear intention of doping if so.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/2MRvw1vSivM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/2MRvw1vSivM</a>

[mersey_paradiso]

One thing we do have in our favour is that he's French . And France hold the Euros this summer. They will be wanting to win it and he is a lynchpin of their defence along with Varane.

I know Platini is no longer officially head of UEFA but his stooge is and hopefully they might be a little lenient shall we say .

Here's hoping anyway. 

[diegoLFC7]

Who isn't backing him? No one is saying we should sack him and to get him out of the club.

However identifying he has done something wrong and deserves a ban, as I imagine he now realises himself, if not 'not backing' him.

Go to twitter, and see what I'm talking about.

[slamjam]

Not specifically in regards to just Sakho, but it makes you wonder why these professional footballers would risk so much for the slightest advantage.  Toure, I can kinda understand as he was coming to the tail end of his career.  But the likes of Sakho and Rio, are/were both relatively young and naturally built like brick shithouses.  Makes little sense.

Think its they just want that extra 1% makes all the difference to a professional athlete

[CraigDS]

Go to twitter, and see what I'm talking about.

Why would I go and dirty myself reading what the dregs of society have to say on that shitty platform?

[houkura]

If it's ephedrine, which the rumours suggest, it's quite a bit more than a weight loss pill. It's a general performance enhancer. An egyptian swimmer got two years ban for it. The comparison with Kolo might be optimistic, also because this is UEFA rather than FA.

The rumours have no idea if it's ephedrine. I can assure you the lab and UEFA haven't released that info so any "rumours" are in fact unsubstantiated nonsense.

[MrGrumpy]

I could do with some fat burning pills myself..........

Or I could stop posting crap on Internet forums and go for a run instead.

[houkura]

2 year ban.

That is the Uefa minimum for a first time drug offence.

The club will appeal and try to get it reduced. Your guess as good as mine as to what, if any, it might be reduced to.

That's the guideline for intentional use of PEDs. They can give any ban they wish for any violations including much lighter bans for "recreational drugs" and for contamination and mitigating circumstances-for instance taking a "fat-burner" with a banned substance that isn't listed on the label.

[CraigDS]

That's the guideline for intentional use of PEDs. They can give any ban they wish for any violations including much lighter bans for "recreational drugs" and for contamination and mitigating circumstances-for instance taking a "fat-burner" with a banned substance that isn't listed on the label.

Where's that old bottle of tippex?

[ThePeetmix]

He should be backed 100% in terms of him remaining a Liverpool player. But that doesn't mean he deserves to come straight back as a starter when he comes back. He made a massive error and has to earn his chance to become a first choice starter again.We'll have Matip & Lovren for pre-season so setting a solid CB partnership shouldn't be a problem. But if this means we want to bring in another centreback, then so be it. It's probably something that might well have happened regardless of this incident.

I'm glad he is owning up to it. Think the club did the right thing in not picking him from the get go and releasing a statement early on. We've handled situations like this poorly but it does show we won't stand for situations like this. I know Mamadou will want to do everything he can to make it up to fans as he'll know full well that he's let everyone involved with the club down. So I'm glad that for the vast majority he's not being villianised by the level-headed majority of the fan base.

[B0151?]

The rumours have no idea if it's ephedrine. I can assure you the lab and UEFA haven't released that info so any "rumours" are in fact unsubstantiated nonsense.

I doubt they are nonsense. They've obviously come from somewhere given reputable sources are reporting it.

It doesn't mean they're correct but would be pretty confident the speculation isn't a media creation.

[houkura]

Where's that old bottle of tippex?

Right? But actually-a lot of these so called fat burners have been known to contain banned substances and not have them on the label. It's a way for the seller to have a product that seems to work better than the other products on the market.

[houkura]

I doubt they are nonsense. They've obviously come from somewhere given reputable sources are reporting it.

It doesn't mean they're correct but would be pretty confident the speculation isn't a media creation.

Haha reputable sources. That's a laugh!

[CraigDS]

I doubt they are nonsense. They've obviously come from somewhere given reputable sources are reporting it.

It doesn't mean they're correct but would be pretty confident the speculation isn't a media creation.

What reputable sources are reporting the use of ephedrine?

[Alf Garnett!]

My opinion is with Sakho not contesting the findings..

He knows what he has stupidly taken,i cant see anything other than a 6 month ban.

[Skidder.]

People venting off on the individual should wait for more details to emerge - you never know, there may be mitigating circumstances.

He may have just been in a deep, deep, dark place when he was third (or fourth sometimes) in-choice - who the fuck knows?

[naka]

If its ephedrine then it should be two years
It's a performance enhancing drug.
Until decision made he has my backing
If the rumours are true  re an enhancer then sorry he loses it

I just hope the rumours are just speculation

[God's Left Peg]

Everyone slating the fan base for not backing Mamadou 100%, and I agree. We should be backing him till the grave, his passion for LFC is second to none. His charity work is also something to be admired. He's going to go through a rough patch but will be back better than ever.

Indeed. Needs our support right now.

I dont know the ins and outs but one of my mates is a semi- professional goalkeeper. It is quite extreme what they are not allowed. For example, he can't have a Lemsip.

A FUCKING LEMSIP.

[Lone Star Red]

Yep.

Lovren, Matip, Sakho, Toure, Gomez and Lucas can still fill in. I think he'll be happy with that. Then he can fix the more pressing issues of GK, LB, CM or wherever

Assuming Sakho is banned for part of next season, I doubt Klopp is happy with that.

Toure is out of contract this summer, no guarantee he's here next year. Plus, he's 35.
Gomez is 18 and has played a whopping 7 competitive matches for LFC and is coming off ACL surgery.

That leaves Lovren and Matip (who will be adjusting to the PL), with a midfielder who can fill in at CB as our only options.

I'm not going to turn this into a transfer discussion, but again, this emphasizes the point that a lengthy Sakho ban makes an already dumb decision look that much worse and potentially makes it that much more difficult for Klopp.

[Alf Garnett!]

People venting off on the individual should wait for more details to emerge - you never know, there may be mitigating circumstances.

He may have just been in a deep, deep, dark place when he was third (or fourth sometimes) in-choice - who the fuck knows?

I dont think Uefa will take anything other than their findings & what Sakho & the club will state.

Until Uefa make their decision on their findings,everything else is almost certainly bullshit.

[Jookie]

At the moment we have very few facts about the situation. We know that Sakho has tested positive for a banned substance and that the club are declining to select him until there is some resolution in his case. Not many further details beyond that have been released

Until we have further details everything is conjecture and speculation. He probably deserves some criticism on the basis that he has tested positive for a banned substance. However, until we know the What? Why? How? of the case then we don't know if it's a case of gross negligence/incompetence on Sakho's behalf or whether he's willingly cheated. Only then can people really have a valid and informed decision on how Sakho has behaved and whether his potential punishment is fitting.

[Wabaloolah]

Surely it's a positive that he hasn't already been suspended by UEFA?

He may get off with a warning, he may get a two year ban but until the decision is made nobody knows so it's pointless speculating or condemning the lad when we know nothing whatsoever  about it