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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2016, 06:12:02 pm »
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2016, 12:38:37 pm »
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2016, 03:51:59 pm »
Just bumping it as there's a few very active threads going on at the moment.

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #83 on: March 21, 2016, 12:39:25 pm »
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« Reply #84 on: March 21, 2016, 05:27:09 pm »
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2016, 09:20:20 pm »
Not sure where to put this or wherher it warrants a new thread..

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #89 on: March 23, 2016, 06:43:35 pm »
bump  ;)

Excuse my ignorance about the law..
But if information is already out in the public domain, as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, then how can we be in contempt of court if we discuss it on here?
I'm just curious of the law......don't worry, I'm not gagging to start discussing things!

Surely, you can only be in contempt of court if you are actually part of the court proceedings and babble outside the court?

Looking forward to being educated and getting this thread bumped at the same time :)

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #90 on: March 24, 2016, 10:49:31 am »
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #91 on: March 24, 2016, 01:46:42 pm »
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Excuse my ignorance about the law..
But if information is already out in the public domain, as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, then how can we be in contempt of court if we discuss it on here?
I'm just curious of the law......don't worry, I'm not gagging to start discussing things!

Surely, you can only be in contempt of court if you are actually part of the court proceedings and babble outside the court?


Looking forward to being educated and getting this thread bumped at the same time :)

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #93 on: March 25, 2016, 03:31:29 pm »
Do we have any idea when the verdicts are likely to be announced yet?
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #94 on: March 25, 2016, 05:09:42 pm »
We were hoping for an announcement just before the anniversary, however, due to the jury not sitting last week, that potentially pushes it to just beyond - no guarantees either way but it could be cutting it fine. Keep an eye on the usual Echo feed, as they'll continue providing daily updates. We believe the jury will resume session next Tuesday. The summing up is not yet complete and it also depends not just on how long ot takes them to consider their verdict but also on how long it takes the jury to complete the paperwork associated with the questions that have been put to them.

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #97 on: March 26, 2016, 01:22:48 pm »
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #98 on: March 27, 2016, 05:24:15 pm »
Do we have any idea of roughly when this might be?

If there is no more Juror illness or other delays, we expect the Coroner summing up to conclude Thur/Fri this week.   How long the jury takes no one knows.   They have a lot of questions to answer - divided into 14 sections - I think close to a 100 questions in total, some of which may be contentious.
 


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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #99 on: March 27, 2016, 10:33:45 pm »
Is there a chance of verdicts etc by the time of the memorial service.
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #100 on: March 28, 2016, 12:44:28 am »
Is there a chance of verdicts etc by the time of the memorial service.

Perhaps, but from what I have read it seems unlikely.
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #101 on: March 28, 2016, 03:56:36 pm »
Is there a chance of verdicts etc by the time of the memorial service.

I think that it would be good to have the verdicts in by then, but at the same time they need to take their time and consider things thoroughly.

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #103 on: April 2, 2016, 06:11:31 am »
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #106 on: April 6, 2016, 01:06:07 pm »
Just broke for lunch, returning at 1.45

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #107 on: April 6, 2016, 02:20:15 pm »
Just broke for lunch, returning at 1.45

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The coroner says: “Members of the jury, thank you all very much indeed.

“I am going to ask you now to retire, please.”

The jury has now retired to consider their decisions.

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #110 on: April 6, 2016, 03:35:08 pm »
Do we have any sort of time frame on when a verdict is due?

Not that it matters.  They have an unenviable task and can take all the time needed, they've got lots of evidence to consider and it's important that the decision isn't rushed.

On a side note, I'm presuming that the AG's guidance note on social media use is still relevant, as I note that the Match of the Day Facebook page has published a story on the jury retiring and has the comments section open. This is already attracting a few comments from idiots, which could be determined to be prejudicial etc.

It needs to be monitored very closely by the BBC. (EDIT: MOTD post now deleted due to such unsavoury comments)
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #111 on: April 6, 2016, 03:52:38 pm »
For additional information, I highly recommend reading and following The Guardian journalist David Conn's twitter account.

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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #112 on: April 6, 2016, 03:57:52 pm »
The jury have 14 questions to consider and reach a verdict


We are nearly there....

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« Reply #113 on: April 6, 2016, 04:01:25 pm »
The jury have 14 questions to consider and reach a verdict


We are nearly there....

Sorry if I sound ignorant but is that 14 questions and a verdict for each of the 96 or as a whole or 14 questions as one, then 96 verdicts?

I've not had the mental fortitude to follow the inquests so no idea on the formalities.

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« Reply #114 on: April 6, 2016, 04:06:57 pm »
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #115 on: April 6, 2016, 04:09:59 pm »
Sorry if I sound ignorant but is that 14 questions and a verdict for each of the 96 or as a whole or 14 questions as one, then 96 verdicts?

I've not had the mental fortitude to follow the inquests so no idea on the formalities.

It is 14 questions on the whole. 5 of them are about the policing of the event.

Q6 -  "Are you satisfied, so that you are sure, that those who died in the disaster were unlawfully killed?"

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« Reply #116 on: April 6, 2016, 04:54:21 pm »
These are the 14 questions the jury are being asked to consider :



Question one

Do you agree with the following statement: On April 15 1989, 96 people died in the disaster as a result of crushing in the central pens of the Leppings Lane terrace, following the admission of a large number of supporters to the stadium through the exit gates.



Question two

Was there any error or omission in police planning and preparation for the semi-final on April 15, 1989, which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed on the day of the match?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any error or omission in planning or preparation MAY have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

They were given a list of factors to consider, including whether the system of allowing fans to “find their own level” on the terrace was satisfactory and whether the selection of senior officers should have been different.


Question three

Was there any error or omission in policing on the day of the match which caused or contributed to a dangerous situation developing at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any error or omission in policing MAY have caused or contributed.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

They were given a list of factors to consider, including whether senior officers should have done more to identify the risk of a dangerous build up of fans and what action they did take to deal with the situation.


Question four

Was there any error or omission by commanding officers which caused or contributed to the crush on the terrace?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any error or omission by commanding officers MAY have caused or contributed to the crush.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

A list of considerations for the jury included whether it should have been obvious to officers in the police control box that the central pens were unusually or dangerously overcrowded and whether commanding officers could and should have taken further action in response to the packing of the central pens.


Question five

When the order was given to open the exit gates at the Leppings Lane end of the stadium, was there any error or omission by the commanding officers in the control box which caused or contributed to the crush on the terrace?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any error or omission by commanding officers MAY have caused or contributed to the crush.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

The jury were advised to consider factors such as whether commanding officers could have given any further order to stop more supporters going down the tunnel to the central pens.


Question six

Are you satisfied, so that you are sure, that those who died in the disaster were unlawfully killed?


Sir John told the jury: “In order to answer ‘yes’ to that question, you would have to be sure that David Duckenfield, the match commander, was responsible for the manslaughter by gross negligence of those 96 people.

“When answering this question we are looking at Mr Duckenfield’s conduct and his responsibility.”

He said they would have to be sure that Mr Duckenfield owed a duty of care to the 96 people who died, that he breached that duty of care, that his breach caused their deaths and that the breach amounted to “gross negligence”.


Question seven

Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?”


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any behaviour MAY have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation.

If they answer yes to either questions they will be asked: “Was that behaviour unusual or unforeseeable?”

They are able to give an explanation if they want to.

The jury were given a list of considerations including whether fans behaved in a way which was unusually resistant of police control and whether there were significant numbers of fans without tickets.


Question eight

Were there any features of the design, construction and layout of the stadium which you consider were dangerous or defective and which caused or contributed to the disaster?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any features MAY have caused or contributed to the crush.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

The jury were advised to consider factors such as whether the Leppings Lane entrance had too few turnstiles for a capacity match and whether the fencing around pens made any contribution to the disaster.


Question nine

Was there any error or omission in the safety certification and oversight of Hillsborough Stadium that caused or contributed to the disaster?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any errors or omissions in the safety certification or oversight MAY have caused or contributed to the crush.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

The jury were advised to consider factors such as including whether the capacity of the terrace should have been clarified, reconsidered and/or recalculated after changes to the stadium and whether those responsible for the safety certification could and should have raised concerns.


Question 10

Was there any error or omission by Sheffield Wednesday and its staff in the management of the stadium and/or preparation for the semi-final match on April 15, 1989, which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed on the day of the match?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any error or omission MAY have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

A list of considerations included whether the club should have done more in preparing for the match.


Question 11

Was there any error or omission by Sheffield Wednesday and its staff on April 15, 1989, which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed at the Leppings Lane turnstiles and in the west terrace?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any error or omission MAY have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

A list of factors to consider included whether those in the club control room had a responsibility to monitor the conditions at the turnstiles.


Question 12

Should Eastwood and Partners (structural engineers) have done more to detect and advise on any unsafe or unsatisfactory features of Hillsborough Stadium which caused or contributed to the disaster?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether Eastwood and Partners should have done more to advise on features which MAY have caused or contributed to the disaster.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

The jury were advised to consider factors such as whether they correctly calculated capacity figures for the West Terrace of the ground in 1979.


Question 13

After the crush in the west terrace had begun to develop, was there any error or omission by the police which caused or contributed to the loss of lives in the disaster?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether any error or omission MAY have caused or contributed to the loss of lives.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

Factors to consider included whether commanding officers should have taken steps to relieve the crush at an earlier stage and whether officers at the perimeter fence reacted appropriately and promptly.


Question 14

After the crush in the west terrace had begun to develop, was there any error or omission by the ambulance service (SYMAS) which caused or contributed to the loss of lives in the disaster?


If they answer no, the jury will be asked whether there was any error or omission which MAY have caused or contributed to the loss of lives.

They will be able to explain their answer if they wish to.

The jury were advised to consider factors including whether SYMAS officers at the stadium could have done more to find out the nature and seriousness of the emergency and react to it.




http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/questions-hillsborough-jury-answer-10787260



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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #117 on: April 6, 2016, 04:56:33 pm »
Sorry if I sound ignorant but is that 14 questions and a verdict for each of the 96 or as a whole or 14 questions as one, then 96 verdicts?

I've not had the mental fortitude to follow the inquests so no idea on the formalities.

Each of the questions are on the 2 links from the echo I have posted above
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« Reply #118 on: April 6, 2016, 04:58:52 pm »
Do we have any sort of time frame on when a verdict is due?

Not that it matters.  They have an unenviable task and can take all the time needed, they've got lots of evidence to consider and it's important that the decision isn't rushed.

On a side note, I'm presuming that the AG's guidance note on social media use is still relevant, as I note that the Match of the Day Facebook page has published a story on the jury retiring and has the comments section open. This is already attracting a few comments from idiots, which could be determined to be prejudicial etc.

It needs to be monitored very closely by the BBC. (EDIT: MOTD post now deleted due to such unsavoury comments)

No timescale whatsoever at this stage.

What fucking dickhead at BBC thought that would be a good idea? How fucking stupid are they? That's really really annoyed me.  :no :no
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Re: Follow Us on Twitter (Preparing for the Hillsborough inquest verdicts)
« Reply #119 on: April 7, 2016, 12:23:05 pm »
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A member of the Hillsborough inquests jury has been discharged on the first full day of deliberations.

The coroner Sir John Goldring told the remaining jury members there was a "medical basis" for the woman being discharged.

Six women and three men will continue to consider how and why 96 Liverpool fans died in Britain's worst sporting disaster on 15 April 1989.

The jury was sent out on Wednesday after more than two years of evidence.